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Ayaka
07-14-2002, 01:45 AM
I was gonna wait until they bothered to put their site up, but hey, I can't wait. People who were at AX have probably seen this already - in the preview issue of Raijin Comics they were handing out, there's an ad for "Miss Cosplay Universe 2002 - the Very First Cosplayer Beauty Contest Online". The contest is international, open to women or male crossplayers. Other than that, there's not much solid info yet. The winner(s) will be presented on Fujin Magazine's website, there will be a special feature story done on them, a photography book, and trading cards, plus a prize of character goods. You'll also get an invitation to a Japanese con(s). I can scan the ad if anyone wants, there's a picture in it of someone who's posted her (ACK! can't remember name!) - the gal who did the really nice Ayane at A-Kon. She and her sister won a prize, I think. The URL for "more information", for future reference when it's up is - http://www.fujin.jp/cos

What do you guys think of this? There is an award that is for "best dress makers and craft workers", but it's not the main award. Like they said, it's a beauty contest; obviously you can't win on looks alone, but looks, I'm sensing, are a very big part of it. Personally . . . I'm not sure. But I'm bothered to some extent by the concept. It's not that there's not already a (natural?) bias out there; if you're wearing a high-cut outfit and look really good in it, chances are you're going to get stopped a LOT, maybe more than a person with a fantastic costume who's not exactly a beauty queen (how many people are?) . . . but I felt at AX, the competition was so high, that there was a lot of pressure maybe and not as much fun. And if it's not fun, for me there's no point in cosplay. Very hard to manage that, that competition is okay but you have to keep your purpose in mind.

Well, I don't know, I'm not super coherent tonight and I have very mixed feelings. Anyone have thoughts? Think they might enter?

RealizeDOP
07-14-2002, 01:57 AM
O.o I think i need to think more about it tonight and i'm too tired to think completely, but i know a friend of mine and I both spoke about this earlier. I'm not completely sure what to think of it, because, not to say this as an isult or anything to anybody, but Cosplay has kinda lost it's oomph that is had a couple years ago. Now it seems that everybody is at each others throats and claiming characters, and trying to outdo each other, it really is loosing it's fun. -.-* This competition is just for fun, but i really hope it doesn't just add another issue that turns into something bad and so competitive that it will have some people ready to kill each other. Bleh, i dunno if that made sense, but yea... -.-* Maybe i'll reply again later. As for entering...I dunno if I want to enter -.-* I dunno how to describe the contest.....I know one friend described it as "caddy~". what are some other opinions???

Rosiel
07-14-2002, 10:07 AM
> What do you guys think of this?

I will attempt not to rant *lol* but I have nothing but utmost /contempt/ for beauty contests. Just like Miss America and the "talent" categorie *snort* I have a feeling this will be more about who looks best with less clothes on than any real assessment of skill.

I mean, face it, I've seen costumes that look great on pictures that were hot-glued together at the last minute. You can't tell craftmanship from a picture (or, actually, from people moving around on a stage - my issues with Akon craftmanship judging.), you just can tell how good a person looks - and it might even be with a little photoshopped help.

Hence comes the inequalities.

+ There is no way to tell if you made your own costume how well you made it.
+ Those who can shell out $$$ to have pro shoots will have an edge on the others.
+ There is no proof photos won't be retouched.

So not only is it an old, ugly, custom of judging women by their looks, it's also unfair. At least when you run for Miss America all the judges get to stare at your butt from the same distance.

> Personally . . . I'm not sure. But I'm bothered to some extent by the concept.

As you can see, so I am.

Except bothered is not the word I'd use. Maybe 'disgusted'. Or even 'insulted'. Half-naked girls already get so much more attention than others in the con circles, why encourage it?

Seriously this just goes to shove down women to their role as sex objects. As the old French saying went "Sois belle et tais toi" (Be beautiful and shut up). I don't see a Mr. Cosplay anywhere, do you?

This goes back to the essence of why I crossplay.
I want people to look at my craftmanship, not down my shirt.

> It's not that there's not already a (natural?) bias out there; if you're wearing a high-cut outfit and look really good in it, chances are you're going to get stopped a LOT, maybe more than a person with a fantastic costume who's not exactly a beauty queen (how many people are?) . . .

Amen to that.

Actually, while I am at it, that's why I have issues with ACP. The meat market mentality. At cons, girls are encouraged to wear less and less to get attention. I for one aren't interested in seeing people in glorified bikinis at cons (that's what the beach is for), I want to see /costumes/. And why would people bother with all the work to make a complex costume if they can get more attention as Lum?

> but I felt at AX, the competition was so high, that there was a lot of pressure maybe and not as much fun.

I think cosplay is starting to be too competitive, too political.
Which I why I prefer to cosplay in the halls and not compete.

> Think they might enter?

At gunpoint, maybe.

Babbit_Chan
07-14-2002, 11:40 AM
Very wisely said, Rosiel ^_^ Anyway, Cosplay Beauty Contest? Might as well scratch off the 'cosplay' bit, with some of the turnout. Personally, it sounds kind of boring. If I wanted a fashion show, I'd go for the hall - not the stage, as Rosiel said. Chances are you'll see more of the beautiful costumes there - where some people have no interest in the stage ( or are afraid of it as I am o_O;; )

Tenshi
07-14-2002, 12:54 PM
A cosplay BEAUTY contest? I wouldn't even pay attention to this contest, let alone THINK of entering it. IMO that's not the spirit of cosplay. Obviously, it's not going to be other cosplayers that judge the entries -- it's going to be a bunch of men. Sorry, guys, but you know what will win in that situation ^^;;. I would say more, but I think Rosiel pretty much summed it up ^_^.

Ranma Saotome
07-14-2002, 02:01 PM
No... No... No... *hangs head in disgust*

Ayaka
07-14-2002, 02:16 PM
Yay Rosiel! Sorry, okay, I was sneaky; I tried to stay neutral in my first post because I was worried about offending people, and wanted to see how people would react anyway. Personally if someone wants to compete in it, I'm not going to try to talk them out of it, it's their choice. If you happen to be gorgeous and a talented cosplayer, then hey! There ARE prizes.

At AX there was a lot of talk about further fusion kind of stuff, since we are getting two Japanese manga anthologies now, as well as the English-language Newtype. But I have a problem with what we're getting, if this is it; manga magazines blindingly obviously targeted at guys (we get Mamotte Shugogetten in Raijin, which nevertheless is a "shy guy and his volunteer love slave" type story; I've read and liked them, but they ARE sexist), even though the Shueisha one is the only one who admits it. So if even the Japanese are now going to reinforce the "comics are for men" idea, and throw in the "cosplay is for women in skimpy outfits" concept as a bonus, I'm not liking this.

I never thought when I started out that I'd crossplay; but I've really come to like it. It's liberating. I was comfortable in Sanzo's outfit at AX; in Faye I felt like I was walking through an x-ray machine. I wanted to cosplay her because I like the character, not because I wanted to wear hot pants; I'd never wear something like that in normal life. But a lot of the gals were really hamming it up, they knew they were wearing a skimpy outfit and they were doing some photo poses that looked like soft porn. I think it's only natural that some cosplayers have an exhibitionist streak (we DO get jollies from wearing freaky outfits in public, after all, lol). But when it's encouraged too much, I could see it quickly outstripping (no pun intended, oy vey) people who are in it for the challenge of costuming.

I have a VERY serious problem with beauty contests and have for quite a while. I had a friend when I was about 10 who was working as a model. I'll never forget what she said to me - "You could model, too! But you should get contacts." That's what I hate more than the idea of women being sex objects; the idea that from the very beginning you feel pressured to change something about yourself. Get contacts, go on a diet, get plastic surgery, whatever, it's this chain of stuff that makes you super insecure about yourself. You're never fine the way you are; you have to change. My brother's girlfriend was a prima ballerina (she quit), and I saw what that did to her. I'd hate to see cosplay, in any tiny way, become like that. I don't want it to start out kids playing around and wind up being a cut-throat, antagonistic community. And it definitely COULD. So I'm glad that I know some people who don't want it to be like that.

Yeah. Okay and the semi-incoherent rant ends. oO;;; I better go eat something, lol. But I'm glad I brought this up, actually, I got really down at one point at AX; "everyone's better than me! I have to do something harder!". And as soon as it went through my head, I couldn't believe I was thinking that way. Gotta keep it FUN.

Studmaster
07-14-2002, 03:55 PM
What everyone else said here. This is really a bad, bad idea. Escpecially if non experienced people who really don't know cosplay are judging this thing. And also, its a Beauty Contest. In itself, one has to realize that at the end of the day, looks do matter and matter a lot. What if in the finals we have someone who may not be a beauty queen, but has a great costume, and then we have a woman with a great body and is "dressed" (an I use the term loosely) as a DoA charcter (great craftsmaship it aint) who would inexperienced eyes choose?

This coulddo a lot of damage the cred of Cosplay.

Ayaka
07-14-2002, 05:50 PM
SARU! I saw you too! Actually I think I talked to you briefly . . . lol I can't remember. You looked really cool in your costumes though, I saw you a bunch actually. Just took me a while to be sure it was you! ^^

In a pathetic attempt to make my post on topic - see, that's what cosplay is about! Community! (And the people who ran the ACen cosplay panel who said that there's no such thing as a cosplay community and anyone who says there is, is bsing need an attitude adjustment.)

Ranma Saotome
07-15-2002, 03:46 AM
Stud, Saru... AGREED!

Rosiel
07-15-2002, 10:26 AM
> manga magazines blindingly obviously targeted at guys

Amen to that.

Was I the only one who saw red when I was given the US Newtype? (I still have to email them about their bad English, their factual errors, and their apparent misogyny.)

Seriously. That wasn't Newtype, that was anime playboy.
Why would I want erect nipples and half-naked animated women in a centerfold? Why would I want ads that claims more or less "You're not reading this add, you're staring at their huge boobs"?

I have the feeling they are trying to market anime to horny adolescent boys. Which IMO will turn off a lot of people. I for one would never even think of picking up an anime which was marketed with boob shots. And yet, no matter what that misleading ad said, Plastic Little was more than bouncy breasts.

> Get contacts, go on a diet, get plastic surgery, whatever, it's this chain of stuff that makes you super insecure about yourself.

It makes me think of cosplayers who panic saying they need to lose weight before a con. -___-;;;;; And I'm talking about itsy-bitsy things who only feel compelled to lose the weight because they are not as skinny as anime characters (let's face it, who is?).

This is unhealthy, I agree, as it encourages people to be dissatisfied with their bodies instead of accepting them.

> "everyone's better than me! I have to do something harder!".

Don't think that way! Although I will admit I have throught like that too. I try to stop myself, though, because I don't want to get swept up in the competition and the ego-trip.

But it's hard sometimes.


NB: I should mention I am very touchy about the portrayal of women because I had to struggle to fit in the world of engineering, being a slender blonde girl that most people would associate with the word "bimbo" faster than "engineer". It's hard to be taken seriously in a men-dominated world when you're a woman, and even more when you look a certain way.

Celine
07-15-2002, 01:12 PM
Wow, nothing but negative opinions here! I didn't check out the Newtype, but that certainly is an interesting-sounding magazine. I'm not going to comment on the portrayal of anime women or women in general, just give my 2 cents on this contest.

I totally support this. No, I wouldn't enter, because I know I couldn't win. But, everyone has seen the types of girls who *will* enter. They like displaying their bodies, they seem to be comfortable with how they look, and they are swarmed by photgraphers everywhere they go. Now they are being offered a large prize to do more of what they already enjoy for even more attention. I'm sure we all have our opinions on these scantily-clad cosplay divas, but as they are still cosplaying (regardless of how talented they might be), there is no reason to discourage them. Cosplay is something we choose to do, and entering this contest is another choice. Should you choose to not enter, and simply ignore it, you are no worse off than right now.

There is already a lot of tension and competition in the cosplay community should you choose/end up being involved with it. While this might escalate the competition among its entrants, I don't see how it will affect the casual cosplayer. Cosplayers in general will continue trying to improve their costumes- entrants in this competition may try harder to improve their looks instead. You are only in competition with whom you feel you are in competition with.

Hikaruchan
07-15-2002, 01:43 PM
I think this may actually hurt cosplay a little. It seems to back up the unfortunate prejudice see among a lot of fans that only 'babes' should cosplay. By looking at face and figure instead of craft, totally shafting a large portion of the cosplay community. Its bad enough now being a plus-sized cosplayer, and having people (including judges) blow you off because you don't look like centerfold material. This is just reinforcing those attitudes.

Studmaster
07-15-2002, 02:12 PM
When I wrote my first post, I looked back on it, and I feel I wasn't as clear as I should've been when I posted my opinion. And an AIM conservation made me really want to post it, so here it goes.

When I mean, by that it could be really bad idea, I mean you have to think about is the people who make up this community of cosplay.

When you're talking about cosplay, you're talking about people, who are dressing up in 95% of the cases, as Anime, Videogame, Manga, Sci-Fi, Comics and J-Pop charcters over various conventions and competitions....And we all know that "popular society" looks down on this stuff as geekish, and it attracts most people who are considered "geeks." Also consider the people who are cosplaying. A lot of these people (hell most of them) are not considered "Beauty Contest Material" by society.

Hell, almost all of society is not "BCM". Thanks to our media, society now has very warped views of beauty. And to tell you the truth its not really worth it to even try to subscribe to this as it seems to cause many problems in a lot of these people.

Now here's where the alarm goes off. Cosplay as we all know is about the costumes and the work that go into them. A Beauty Contest, in the end is about the persons looks. There may be talent and interview portions, but we've all seen contests where the better looking win over the more talented. Now to add those points, the question has to be raised. What will take precedent? The Cosplay or the Beauty Contest? That's something that'll have to be answered.

And another note.....The Cosplay community as a whole (escpeically the elites and here nonwithstanding) seem to bitch and moan about the credibility of Cosplay as whole, but not a lot is done to help bring more crediblity in the end. This may only fuel the fire for the cliques and elitists to only make things worse for everyone who does enjoy it just to have fun.



However, I feel I have to touch on Celine's post too, since she was the person I had the IM with. And while she is playing devil's adovcate, its the best way to play it, as I cannot really disagree with anything she has said and bought up in her post. In fact when she says that some people do have "it", and can win, that's good for them, and I feel if they wish to, they should, that's there right and more power to you. If you win then congrats to you.

There, I feel I have cleared the air personally. Sorry if its ranting, but when I have a lot to say, I feel I should just go for it.

Ayaka
07-15-2002, 03:45 PM
You're not ranting, Studmaster; or if you are, so are the rest of us making long posts. ^^

Originally posted by Celine

I totally support this. No, I wouldn't enter, because I know I couldn't win.

Yeah, see, this is what I was talking about. That's the same thing *I* said. While it may be true, from the point of view of self-esteem, that's not a good sign . . . and, I don't like the idea of competitions being based on something you're born with (though I know there's a lot of work and money that goes into being "beautiful"), as opposed to something you genuinely work to acheive.

Did anyone here have the first costume they made alone be totally amazing? Sure, everyone comes into it with different resources; budgets, access to fabric stores, relatives with sewing experience, friends who can help make props, etc. But if someone wins an award for construction, they've usually made many other costumes, learned lessons the hard way, and put that experience and a great deal of time and effort (and blood and tears and love!) into their current costume. I don't think there's anything wrong with competition among cosplayers, I'm just going to take issue with certain KINDS of competition. Personally I don't think "healthy competition" is an impossible concept to acheive. It's a question of whether it motivates you to work harder, or makes you feel bad about yourself, I guess.

I'm not going to say that this contest is wrong, because, well, it wouldn't make any difference even if I do. The way to not encourage it is to not enter. People will, yeah, but I think the majority of the cosplay community (I'd like to think anyway) WON'T enter and DOES have some fundamental problems with the concepts the contest is based upon.

I think I have to think some more but . . . personally I'm into action. Conversations like this tend to make me want to do something. And it does seem like there should be a way to encourage cosplayers to keep it fun, to help beginner cosplayers see the non-competition side (so that like me they don't get overwhelmed by a different image of what cosplay is). Just since we are sitting here talking at cosplay.com, which has got to be coming up real high in search results . . . since cosplay seems to be exploding in popularity, it seems the appropriate time. But I haven't come up with any brilliant ideas yet.

Rosiel - I was also bothered by the "centerfold" section of Newtype, although the idea of having Newtype in English is too strong for that (well and the typos . . . geez) to totally sour my enthusiasm. They'll certainly be getting a letter from me though. I can say, however, that as a member of an all-female manga studio, the bias in the American comics community against women (creators and readers), and the idea that those concepts are seeping into the way Japanese companies are marketing their stuff in the US, is very distressing. Don't even get me started on the Cardcaptors rant, lol. But I DO have an idea about that problem; for some time I've been planning a US creators manga anthology magazine, since before the Raijin announcement. I think now that I'm going to really move ahead with it, and that I may do at least part of it as female creators only. (Ambitious, I know, but it IS possible, and I'll certainly do my best to get it off the ground.) Okay, I'll shut up now and let other people talk some more.

WaywardKitten
07-15-2002, 04:39 PM
I had to think long and hard about this one because I admittedly do something similar every year at Dragon*Con (namely the Dawn-Look-A-Like Contest). Even though events like the Dawn contest focus at least in part on how sexy the contestant looks, especially in recent years I've seen the less revealing and more complex costumes be rewarded. I also personally have no problem competing in the Dawn contest, and I DO enjoy showing off and feeling sexy.

However something about the Miss Cosplay Universe concept rubbed me the wrong way and it took a bit of considering and musing before I actually figured out what it was.

That is, I just don't consider such a contest in the spirit of what the cosplay hobby IS. I completely understand the desire to dress up in sexy costumes and gain a good bit of attention in doing so, and that doesn't bother me. However, cosplay as a hobby isn't about who can show the most skin... it's about craftsmanship and the most accurate portrail of a character one can manage.

Something like the Miss Cosplay Universe contest kind of derails the whole point of cosplay. In cosplay you're meant to be judged on your work, not your physical assets and limitations. If you can look good doing it, then more power to you, but it's not the whole reason why someone should cosplay.

I agree that there could be better types of competition for something like this. Exceptional craftsmanship could be one, or most accurate portrail of a character (both looking like them and acting accordingly), etc. I also especially like the idea of a fashion show (not a competition), where cosplayers can display their various work to an appreciative audience.

However, I can't say that the MCU contest SHOULDN'T go off, nor will I particularly look down on anyone if they want to enter. I just don't think it's something I personally would do. At least with the Dawn contest it's expected in advance that sexyness and attitude are part of the performance... but then I don't consider the Dawn contest cosplay.

-Wayward

Rosiel
07-15-2002, 05:10 PM
> Should you choose to not enter, and simply ignore it, you are no worse off than right now.

It's not about this one competition, but about something broader. About the portrayal of women, but even more, as someone pointed out very screwdly, the portrayal of the hobby as a whole.

I will quote Hikaruchan: (because I agree wholeheartedly)

> By looking at face and figure instead of craft, totally shafting a large portion of the cosplay community.

Cosplay is about /costumes/. It's about craftmanship and effort and imagination. Sure looks come into play, sure I am not hypocritical enough to say that a costume of the same quality looks as cool on someone who looks nothing like the character and someone who is a dead ringer, but this contest is making it 100% about looks.

It's emphasizing "cosplay = babes in low cut outfits".
Not "cosplay = craftmanship", "cosplay = surpassing yourself", "cosplay = having fun".

It's saying "you have to be pretty to cosplay".

Cosplay is supposed to be about /fun/.
Not about who is prettier.

Why do women always have to be pitted against each other in a contest of /looks/?

peacecraft
07-15-2002, 05:54 PM
Hey, I don't like to compete in cosplay period. But making it not about the costumes is just one step further from everything I enjoy about the hobby. People can do whatever they want, and I'm not about to try to stop them, but to me this just creams out "Bad Idea".

MugenH
07-15-2002, 08:44 PM
Is this contest even a part of the *Cosplay community?* I agree with the sentiment of pretty much everyone who's posted, especially regarding female body image and pageants in general, but I should also say that I'm not too concerned about the way this contest portrays Cosplayers. If we keep making great costumes, there will always be a group of people who appreciate it. And the girls who want to dress as lightly as possible will have a different fan base, just as the people who take pictures of them at Expo have different reasons for taking those pictures. ^_-

The guys who posted that Newtype pinup on their wall are *never* going to be interested in the detail of our stitching.

As far as I know, none of us consider the likes of, say, Apollo Smile to be part of our Cosplay *community,* and this seems to be more of that kind of thing. There's a difference between making a costume because you love the character, and wearing a costume because you were cast. If construction is only a small part of the judging, then what does it have to do with us? In fact, the whole thing feels more like a J-Cosplay event. You know, managers and photo shoots and girls who don't know whether the costume they're wearing is from Gundam or Utena, but they have enough poses to fill the hour before they change. They're not in it for accuracy, they're in it for something else. I'm not a part of that scene, and it doesn't affect me that it exists. And I don't judge it either. It may be fun, who knows?

It doesnít take away from my costume if thereís a Chun-Li with her tits hanging out in the lobby, just as much as my presence doesnít affect her audience. And maybe she really likes Chun Liís outfit. I mean, not all of my costumes are non-revealing ~ there are some characters that I love who donít wear head-to-toe fabric, unfortunately.

I just know why I'm into Cosplaying, and that's enough for me to keep going. I like the characters, I like the costumes, and I like my con-induced extended adolescence.

TO HELL WITH THIS THING! LETíS BURN IT TO THE GROUND!

Toodle-pip
MugenH.

Adella
07-16-2002, 05:12 AM
Sorry this isn't a long post, but I think beauty contests suck. I didn't read much into this, but if it's for beauty, we're going to have every tits & ass cosplayer there is trying to get her butt into the lime light. Puhlease. Cosplay isn't about beauty it's about cosplaying your favorite character and showing off your creation.

Yuna
07-16-2002, 05:48 AM
hmmmm, well... what you guys seem to fail to realize is that it's a Japanese site... In Japan cosplay is taken so much more seriously, in fact it's like a way of life there. There are certian rules that one must follow when cosplaying, and those rules are REALLY strick for women. So, I hardly find that surprising coming from a Japanese site.

Babbit_Chan
07-16-2002, 05:56 AM
Yes, that's true... They seem to make it more professional and the resulting look is very important in their judging, but *sigh* I hope this doesn't affect U.S. cosplay?

Yuna
07-21-2002, 05:34 AM
I don't think it will considering a VERY small percentage of the population know what cosplay is... the difference between America and Japan is that here, Animation and gaming isn't a way of life like how it is there, so cosplay incoorperates a pretty small amount of America's population. In other words, I wouldn't place your money on it happening here.

Adella
07-21-2002, 05:38 AM
Yeah what Yuna said. She knows what's up. I'm so against the whole looks thing. HERE anyway.. you should cosplay no matter what.. all walks of life should show off their love of a character and their skills.

as Yuna said in her interview with cosplay.com (that we still gotta put up) "Who cares what you look like, Cosplay anyway!"

Yuna
07-21-2002, 05:42 AM
::blushes:: XDDD chu-so so sos.... houuush, you making me blush!

engrish
07-21-2002, 01:59 PM
this is a little off topic:
I've never been to Japan but from what I heard and read, the cosplay scene on this side of the Pacific is much more tame. The amount of tits and ass shown on ACP, usagichan, and fansview is nothing compared to those Japanese cosplay sites. I got to see a Japanese cosplay magazine for the first time at Recca Con and to be honest with pictures like that who needs a Victoria Secrets magazine? LOL Yes those Japanese people sure know how to make us Americans look like Puritans.

So why such a big difference in modesty between Japanese and American cosplayers? Are there really that many more scantidly clad cosplayers in Japan comparred to the US? My guess is NO. I'm guessing there's probably A LOT more horny camermen in Japan comparred to the US and that's why you find so many of those T&A shots. If I happen to be wrong and there's actually that many more cosplayers in skimpy outfits in the land of the rising sun then I'm booking a flight. LOL

Jinx
07-23-2002, 11:48 AM
Hmm.. I don't know if this iea would fly, but instead of a beauty contest, what would you all think of a look-alike contest? I mean, we all cosplay, no matter who we are... but sometimes you see that one person that really strikes you with their resemblence to their character...

<shrugs> It's just an idea..

Tenshi
07-23-2002, 12:08 PM
I don't think I'd have such a problem with it if this was, say, an Otaku Beauty Contest. I'm not overly partial to beauty contests, but they're here and they're probably not going away any time soon. The only thing I don't like is the Cosplay tagged to the front of Beauty Contest. I swear, what with some idiot on that cosplague list saying "Don't dress up unless you have the figure for it" and this, no wonder some people think cosplay isn't fun anymore >.<. Sorry, I've been getting rather annoyed over that point for the last few days.

Ukayoru no Chou
07-23-2002, 12:26 PM
XD cant agee with Yun more...XS [ in the interview and ...AHHH!!!* runs off to get noodles* .I almost burned my noodles ;-; ] , becuause I dont really look like anyone [ I know a few peeps who do, they rate a 10 on my glomper meter XP ] inless I get my hair cut like Sakura-cha from CCS, ~ so , its nt
"hard" for me to cosply...
Yes..I just noticed im rambling but..XP
Ok, so I've never liked beauty contest..¨¨ , but iits in japan im cool, if it over here..just makes me a lil more tweaked and annoyed becuase I don't really have the best figure for cosplay..ut getting to my original statement...

I can't agree with Yuna more XD

* all that and thats all she had to say* ...its the lack of sleep...I swear..n__n

soshi
07-23-2002, 03:09 PM
I think this is just stupid.

but, then again, I think most cosplay related competition is stupid.

what's sad is they're not even TRYING to make it tastefull. -_-;

why isn't there a "cosplay personality contest" or something? why does everything have to be focused on the physical? le sigh...

Sami
07-23-2002, 03:24 PM
Mff.. I could understand if it incorporated a lot of the actual craftsmanship of the costume, even moreso than the "beauty" they seem to be narrowing in on. A lot of people work hard to make their costumes. but it seems to me that it'll just focus on "the beautiful people" and as long as they look good in whatever they're wearing, be it shoddy or store bought or stapled together, than so be it. :/

I'm sure it's been said before, but that's my two cents. ^^; *skips off*

Adella
07-24-2002, 07:35 PM
Hmph. We here at Cosplay.com want to get very nice quality beautiful pictures and photography of ALL cosplayers not just the "hot ones". Everyone works hard on their costumes so they all deserve recognition. The only thing we don't like is the arrogance we get from some "better known" cosplayers when asking for their picture.

Babbit_Chan
07-24-2002, 10:28 PM
Aeris-sama is so right =D

Cynthia
07-24-2002, 10:31 PM
I firmly agree with all of your opinions, BUT I was raised in a home where I don't complain unless I have a solution to the problem-ie. Don't whine about what's being served for dinner, unless you have money to go out.

So, I'll say this, HOLD CONTESTS THAT CONSIST OF JUST THE COSTUME AND A DRESSFORM. You want absolutely no basis on what the person looks like, do it this way.

Then, have the judges make up a question list about the costume for the constestants and have the contestants turn it in when they register for the constest. This completely eliminates the contestant even needing to see the judge or the judge seeing the contestant-which means they may not even know the person is male or female. Each contestant has a number, who ever wins will have their number announced and then they can finally reveal themselves and claim their prize. If the Judges need to ask a specific question about the costume, then a third party can go out, find that person with that particular number and ask them, if they are there or can be found-so be it.

Not that I don't think I have appeal, but I can't compete with societies idea of beauty-and I'm no going too. Anything I do-lose weight, get contacts, etc. is for me! NOT because it's proper for a lady to look a certain way-my mother's mentality. The character's I've cosplayed as so far and will cosplay as has been for 2 reasons: A) I like that particular chara, or B) Their costume was intricate and posed a challenge-ie. Lulu.

I plan on cosplaying as Shampoo from Ranma for an upcoming con, NoT because she always has her boobs or butt hanging out, but because I like her crackhead frame of mind-I get to literally run around and talk about myself in the third person the entire time. And the version I plan on doing will be throughly covered-ie. no exposed chest much to the chagrin of horny fanboys.

Rosiel-I can understand what you're going through. My Dad's an engineer and I probably know enough about it to get a third class license, but where would I work!?! I went through this earlier in the year with me learning computer repair. I was the only female in my class (3 total-me included) who was there to learn how to fix computers-the other 2 were there because the teacher was notorious for giving A's to students that didn't give him any grief.

Working in a male dominated field is exasperating and frustrating because it isn't based on skills, but whether you're the right sex or not-I could repair computers better than the 2nd yr. student we had in the class, but when I tried to find a job doing it no one would believe me.

Lillyxandra
07-25-2002, 01:30 AM
Hmmm well.. First off itís a beauty contest, not only are they judging the costume but you know they are going to judge the body thatís in it. You shouldnít let other people's standards get in the way of your own idea of beauty.
I feel, if you have confidence in yourself you should feel free to enter in any contest you want. Haruka and I cosplayed as "Ayane and Handmaid May" because we loved the characters, not because we wanted to show off our T&A. Hell...we donít even have T&A. We have spent a lot of time, money, and effort into our costumes, just as much as anyone else who loves their characters. If you donít agree with beauty contest, then you shouldn't enter. We encourage anybody to enter in something that they are very proud of, be it their bodies or costumes.
Personally, we donít have a problem with this contest. Haruka and I have decided to enter in this contest because we are confident of ourselves and proud of our costumes. Pluuuuuus ITS A FREE TRIP TO JAPAN IF WE WIN!!! and we will try at any chance to get to Japan. If one did enter in the contest, they would have nothing to lose, and an awesome prize to be won. It might even be fun.
(^<>^) HEY IS ANYONE ELSE ENTERING???? *Dodges a stone and gets ready for a flogging* (._.)
~Lilly and Haruka~

tsukinohime
07-25-2002, 02:32 AM
Lily ~~ From the posts I've read, it doesn't look much like it. I suppose I can only speak definitely for myself though -- and I won't be entering. Even if the contest was only on costuming ability, I'd still be waaaaay behind a lot of people. And if we're throwing "beauty" into it, well, I don't really have any of that either (at least, the centerfold kind). So I'm not bothering. I wish you the best of luck , Lily. Your costume is so cute and anyone can tell you spent a lot of time on it. Ganbatte, ne
Rosiel ~~ An engineer? Awesome! You are my hero. ^_^ For a while I wanted to be a particle physicist but I discovered that even with insane amounts of studying, higher level math just isn't my area. Thus perished my dream of becoming a brainy scientist. So now I'm in EAS and sneaking in quantum mechanics classes (with relativity here and there) as electives. ^_^

Yuna
07-25-2002, 05:28 AM
Accually, I do not aggree with the dress form thing. Another thing that makes a cosplayer really good with a character is not their looks, but their energy. Someone told me at Comic Con last year that they were drawn to my costume, and a lot of it had to do with the energy I had with in it. If you honestly *love* the character you're portraying, then you're going to be an awesome cosplayer no matter what you look like! I think what makes me one of the better Yuna cosplayers, and I'm not saying that because I"m self centered or big headed, it's because I LOVE Yuna and I LOVE cosplaying as her! XD So people deffinatly need ot be the ones to radiate their fandom because that's what cosplay is all about ^_^

Adella
07-25-2002, 05:32 AM
Originally posted by HarleyQuinn
I plan on cosplaying as Shampoo from Ranma for an upcoming con, NoT because she always has her boobs or butt hanging out, but because I like her crackhead frame of mind-I get to literally run around and talk about myself in the third person the entire time. And the version I plan on doing will be throughly covered-ie. no exposed chest much to the chagrin of horny fanboys.


Heh I think you're meaning Ryoko here with the boobs and butt hanging out. Shampoo has far more class than her :p I love SHampoo.

Ranma Saotome
07-25-2002, 12:31 PM
Originally posted by HarleyQuinn
I plan on cosplaying as Shampoo from Ranma for an upcoming con, NoT because she always has her boobs or butt hanging out, but because I like her crackhead frame of mind-I get to literally run around and talk about myself in the third person the entire time. And the version I plan on doing will be throughly covered-ie. no exposed chest much to the chagrin of horny fanboys.

*reads this paragraph and has a coronary*

Hikaruchan
07-25-2002, 12:53 PM
If you want to enter the contest, I have no problem with that. I just wish it was setup/judged differently. The trip to Japan is a tempting prize, for the ladies who have sexy outfits & bodies might be worth their time.

Yuna, I agree that just having a energy about you can draw people to you. Some people are just happy and radiate that in costume that you are drawn to them. A great smile with a nice costume will get my attention more than a sulky or standoffish person in a nice costume.

I had someone tell me that I was the best Xelloss they had ever seen. Costume wise, there are parts of the costume that I seen other people do nicer but overall I guess I just get into the evil devious demon groove sometimes. Getting in character can help in some costumes, and sometimes that is very hard to catch w photography.

Lillyxandra
07-25-2002, 01:38 PM
I totally agree with you Hikaruchan. Energy does have alot to do with outcome of a costume or person. When some one is wearing a costume that they love, they seem to have this appealing aura to them. Once i can remember being at a convention and complementing a girl on her wonderful costume, but she came off very rude and "snobbish". And it totally ruinded her costume. Then one thing that i see in those Japanese cosplayers that kind of turns me off, is that they all seem so serious.
no matter who you are, your persona can really make or break your costume.

Rosiel
07-25-2002, 01:59 PM
> A great smile with a nice costume will get my attention more than a sulky or standoffish person in a nice costume.

In some costumes you have to be sulky, though. ^___^

When you cosplay a character who acts like he does not know how to smile (like, say, my Skies of Arcadia cosplay), or who can't manage anything more than a twisted evil grin now and then, you have to be serious. It's part of being in character.

I have one picture of myself smiling widely as Ramirez and it looks /so wrong/ (parody-level wrong). Being serious does not mean you're snobby, or unfriendly, it just means you are portraying your characters as well as you can.

Although, some people should smile and don't... that's a different issue. ^___^

ling_xiaoyu2002
07-25-2002, 02:16 PM
Hey!
*runs up to Rosiel and gives a big hug* yay...glad to see you back online....you complete your costume yet???? Sorry about the sudden intrusion.....bye!

Hikaruchan
07-25-2002, 02:20 PM
I am okay with people who don't smile if their character doesn't call for it, like a Gendo apologized at AZ for looking gloomy but that was okay with me as a big smiling Gendo would be scary. But overall, I am more drawn to people who look like they are having fun, then so serious or bored looking.

I have one pic of me as Zelgadis where I am smiling too much for the character. I couldn't help it, though, it was the first time I had worn that costume and it was such a blast. Looks a bit funny, though, as Zel rarely smiles.

Sana-chan
07-25-2002, 02:30 PM
Yeah, it all depends on the character really.

I have my doubts about the whole Miss Cosplay Universe thing too @_@. Like people said, you can't tell if people touched up the pic or even made their costume for that matter. It wouldn't be a true cosplay contest, but more of a how well you look in cosplay type of thing @_@.

Lillyxandra
07-25-2002, 11:46 PM
Rosiel you were Remirez!?!! That costume rocked!! My boyfriend thought you were "one of the sexist chics at A-kon"^_^ I dont know if you remember him, he was cosplaying as Hayato I think he said said hello to you.

Rosiel
07-26-2002, 12:59 AM
> Rosiel you were Remirez!?!!

Yes. ^___^

> That costume rocked!!

Thanks!

> My boyfriend thought you were "one of the sexist chics at A-kon"^_^

Trying to be a boy no less LOL.

> I dont know if you remember him, he was cosplaying as Hayato I think he said said hello to you.

I tend to remember people's costumes... do you have a pic of Hayato? I don't know the character but if I knew what he looked like I would probably remember him... ^___^

engrish
07-26-2002, 11:26 AM
*rereads original post*

Wait a minute, crossplayers can enter the "Miss Cosplay Universe" contest. I seriously want a man to win this contest. I heard at Fanime 2002 this guy cosplayed Mai Shiranui from KOF and actually fooled quite a few people. Yes you read that correctly. Too bad I missed it.

Hikaruchan
07-26-2002, 11:45 AM
Lander's kittygirl outfit fooled some people across street at Otakon, maybe he will enter. Gecko has a cute Hand Maid May. Would be interesting to see the guys giving it a shot.

Ranma Saotome
07-26-2002, 01:32 PM
Originally posted by Hikaruchan
Lander's kittygirl outfit fooled some people across street at Otakon, maybe he will enter. Gecko has a cute Hand Maid May. Would be interesting to see the guys giving it a shot.

*walk by singing Jump Meppai Dakishimete*

Yuna
07-27-2002, 12:50 PM
Ok, Justin just put in me my place... Cybelle, do you remember me from A-Kon and AX? We chatted brifly when you were in your Skies of Arcadia costume becasue I remember its bad ass-ness from A-Kon XD I don't remember what costume I was wearing...

Lillyxandra
07-27-2002, 01:03 PM
Heres a pic of him....i know its super blurry

Lillyxandra
07-27-2002, 01:06 PM
heres the character drawing

tsukinohime
07-27-2002, 01:55 PM
Yes! A guy should definitely win this contest! It would make things a lot more light-hearted. At my school we had a Miss (I forget the official title of the contest. It was probably just the school name or something) and it was entries were dominated by guys! I don't think any girl entered, actually. And a guy won it. It was a lot more fun and less catty than a beauty contest for just girls. And while we're on the topic of crossplaying guys, I saw a guy waaay back dressed as Chocolate Misu and he pulled it off better than any girl I've ever seen in that costume. *laughs*

Kurenai
08-07-2002, 10:41 PM
It makes me sad to think that something like cosplay that brings people together can start to create rifts with superficiality like that...

Rosiel
08-08-2002, 10:30 AM
> Cybelle, do you remember me from A-Kon and AX?

Yes I remember! You were wearing a J-Rock costume, and I remember telling you I loved your shirt. ^___^ I love those avatars, nothing better to jog my memory since I am terrible with names and people keep on changing their aliases all the time!

> Heres a pic of him....i know its super blurry

I remember him! I thought he was from Naruto! (Is he? LOL)

HuongStar
08-08-2002, 11:16 AM
I don't know what to think of this whole idea. If you are cosplaying because you adore the character, I feel like all of that love & appreciation will be lost on someone who is simply judging you on your looks and costume images (because I seriously doubt they are going to hold craftsmanship judging).

Maybe it is the title of the contest that has everyone up in arms....the name "Miss Cosplay Universe" certainly implies that this person is at the peak of their hobby; the epitome of cosplay, so to speak. Whether we like to admit it or not, beauty has always been a major player in what the common otaku believes to be "good cosplay". If cosplay has openly disinegrated into a beauty contest, it is a very sad day for everyone.

Geez, I thought I left high school a long time ago....looks like it's all come back to haunt me. >_< The prizes are great motivation but reputation (whether deserved or undeserved) makes it less than appealing.

Yuna
08-08-2002, 11:41 PM
Hah! Twinkle, cosplay is WORSE then highschool. It's the incoorperates the most imature people who are so ready to rip on other cosplayers rise in popularity because they're bitter about never becomeing a very popular cosplayer themselves. Then those same people critisize and flame these people more, and others for either cosplaying an "over cosplayed character" (Which I believe there is no such thing) or not cosplaying something up to the standards that people have set on that specific cosplayer. It's soooooooooooooooooooo stupid! I know from experience x_X

Rosiel
08-09-2002, 09:48 AM
> Hah! Twinkle, cosplay is WORSE then highschool.

I would not put the blame for the high school mentality on jealous unpopular cosplayers only... some well-known cosplayers are pretty bad too... and I know that by experience.

IMO... Cosplaying in general attracks a lot of people with a flair for drama and a "star" mentality, and that in turns leads into the pettiness, the back-stabbing, and the gossip-mongering... all to get attention.

It's sad, really, but I would not expect it to be otherwise.
It's like a mini-Hollywood!

As for over-cosplayed characters, I guess that's a matter of opinion. I for one get bored of seeing Lulus after the first baker's dozen or so, and a lot of people do too. Those costumes are saturated and lose impact in the eye of the congoer, which is probably when the term "over-cosplayed" comes in.

When people start saying "Oh, no, not another _______", you know you've hit an overcosplayed character. LOL

Scoti
08-09-2002, 11:06 AM
But lels not forget that some people cosplay because they just like the character and are not intrested in making a big breakthrought in costume design.
I also agree with the whole "star" thing. it seems that Masquerades have turn into seriously competitive pageants where cosplayers spend more time eyeing eachother as potential threats rather then concentrating on the "fun" that was the original purpose. I've seen it happen many times, some are suddle while others are just crule. A guy walks into the green room with a can a Pepsi (a sign clearly states no food or drink) and, what looks to me, deliberately spills the whole damn thing down the font of one girl's Edea costume. Funny enough it didn't show up on the dark Purple fabric but boy did she ever let him have it ^ ^

Yuna
08-09-2002, 06:14 PM
Originally posted by Rosiel
> Hah! Twinkle, cosplay is WORSE then highschool.

I would not put the blame for the high school mentality on jealous unpopular cosplayers only... some well-known cosplayers are pretty bad too... and I know that by experience.


What I ment by the high school remark is that the drama that goes on IN high school seems to emulate the drama that goes on in cosplay, as in, they are very similar. I wasn't saying that one was responisble for the other.

Ranma Saotome
08-10-2002, 03:13 PM
Maybe we should come up with an anti-miss cosplay universe.

Himemiya
08-11-2002, 01:52 AM
I would hereby like to run for anti-miss cosplay universe, and I would win too :D actually, if it was anti-miss cosplay universe, shouldn't a guy enter? o.o

Rosiel
08-11-2002, 10:36 AM
What would Anti-miss Cosplay Universe entail? The ghettoest cosplay possible? LOL Reminds me of an Akon skit about how you could do any cosplay with an old pair of jeans, I laughed myself silly!

Ranma Saotome
08-11-2002, 10:38 AM
Originally posted by Rosiel
What would Anti-miss Cosplay Universe entail? The ghettoest cosplay possible? LOL Reminds me of an Akon skit about how you could do any cosplay with an old pair of jeans, I laughed myself silly!

That too. :p Plus the not so good looking ppl can enter in this too. :) And it would be based on style and skill, not beauty.

Daitenshi
08-11-2002, 02:55 PM
I'm currently trying to decide if I want to enter or not....
people are looking at it as a negative thing... cosplayer infighting, hurt feelings, earning a bad reputation and ultimately being judged on appearance, but...

perhaps I'm just too naive and forgiving, but if I entered and lost I wouldn't care. I want that trip to Japan.... and they even used me in one of the adds, so maybe I have a chance?
Why would you lose respect for me because I entered a cosplay beauty pageant? I'm not catty, I'm not going to badmouth the other contestants or throw a fit if I get ignored... it just looks interesting to me.

Some girls are obvious coat hangers, not caring about cosplay itself but just hoping for "fame" and attention.......... but I know plenty of girls who should enter. They're gorgeous outside of cosplay, but they manage to carry that beauty with them while in costume.

The sports world has a top 10 list, People magazine has it's 50 most beautiful celebrities issue, etc. Nearly every genre manages to hold looks above the person's main talent, but it's all about how you handle yourself if you make it onto a list.

One more thing. This contest is open to Japanese cosplayers as well.......... and you know what? I think that if we entered against the hordes of cute & beautiful Japanese cosplayers we woudn't stand a chance with the 1000s of Japanese guys and girls who will be voting for their favorite =P

Ayaka
08-11-2002, 03:23 PM
Those are some good points, Daitenshi . . . I can think of some people who I've seen at cons who I bet wouldn't enter, but would have a shot because they do great costumes and are really quite pretty. ^^;

RE: Anti-miss cosplay . . . heheh. Personally I think "extreme ghetto!" and just a skill-based contest should be two separate categories, lol. I think a ghetto one would be really fun, give people a budget limit and a time limit (yes, I know there'd be no way to enforce it) and see what they can come up with. ^^

Lillyxandra
08-11-2002, 06:57 PM
Daitenshi I say go for it! You have absolutely nothing to lose, and if you win you get a trip to Japan!! ^_^

Daitenshi
08-11-2002, 09:44 PM
I'd lose in a heartbeat to you and your sister *_* You two are stunning _and_ make awesome costumes!!!! You're what the contest is all about!

Tenshi
08-11-2002, 10:36 PM
Hmm. . .I for one would never consider holding it against someone for entering the contest. The only thing I have a problem with is the "beauty over skill" thing. I say if anyone wants to enter, whoo-hoo and good luck to her!

Lillyxandra
08-11-2002, 11:22 PM
#blush# #^_^# Both my sister and I were in awe of your awesome Helana costume. Not only did you put great detail into your costume but you also portraid Helana beautifuly.

Kusanagi
08-11-2002, 11:58 PM
When people start saying "Oh, no, not another _______", you know you've hit an overcosplayed character. LOL

That is so true. I heard that alot at San Diego Comic-Con. The four days of the con there were no less than 30 Vashes.

Playing the part is so important. I mean, anyone can memorize and recite lines, as in a play or as a cosplayer. But what seperates a truly great cosplayer or actor from a mediocre one is wether or not you can fully become the character. And with cosplay, walking around a convention hall, you don't exactly have the luxury of having a script to go by.

Case in point: I went as Kusanagi from Blue Seed to the convention on Friday. I found another Kusanagi. He had the better costume than mine: Full red trenchcoat, gloves, pants, ect.

I went as the Kusanagi from the OVA simply because he wears denim, and denim was something I had available.

But the person knew NOTHING about the character and the whole time was quoting lines DIRECTLY from the anime. Not even in character. The funniest moment was when he grabbed a girl in the group, got up in her face, and used a line something to the effect of "If you or anyone else lay a finger on her, you will die."

The girl laughed! I asked her for permission first, then SHOWED HIM HOW IT WAS DONE! I grabbed her collar, brought her face right up to mine, and said it much more menacingly (in the style of the character) and replaced the words "you will die" with "I'll kill you myself."

She was actually scared! Probably not the best example, but I let her go and ended up hanging out with her and a few of her friends at the rest of the con. :bouncer: :razz:

As far as this Cosplay universe goes, it gets to the point where its a "I HAVE TO BE BETTER THAN YOU!" mentality. If you have to compete, go for it. Competition improves quality up to a point. I prefer the competition at a local level like at a masquerade or a single convention. It keeps it interesting.

Celine
08-12-2002, 12:20 AM
Well, Jenny, Lilly, and any other girls- if you want to enter, I'd say go for it. Any girl who has the self-confidence to be in the contest should at least try it. I can think of many attractive and talented cosplayers who definitely would have a shot at it. I think it would really be something to see a non-Japanese girl win, too! ^_^

...anyone happen to know exactly how the judging will work?

Cynthia
08-12-2002, 10:27 AM
Alright, if you guys are having an anti-miss cosplay universe contest then count me in and already in the top five. :thumbsup: Let's just say I have a knack for being ghetto-especially considering that's me and my friends cosplay group name.

Rosiel
08-12-2002, 10:38 AM
> Any girl who has the self-confidence to be in the contest

That wording disturbs me a little. I may be reading too much into it, but not entering does not mean a lack of self-confidence... you can be confident in your looks and yet not want to be rated solely on them.

Case in point and all society-mandated false modesty thrown to the wind: I could enter, and I know I'd have a shot. And yet I would not enter because doing so would be incompatible with my value system and my opinion of beauty contests, not because I lack in self-confidence.

BUT I don't think /anyone/ should try and imprint their own sets of ideals on others, and hence entering or not is a personal choice that people should /not/ be judged on.

( Goodness that was a serious entry. o_O;;;; )

HuongStar
08-12-2002, 11:35 AM
If you want to enter, that is your prerogative. All I am saying is that I don't like the implications of competing and/or winning a cosplay contest that openly focuses on your looks rather than the portrayal of character and costume.

I can't argue that the prizes aren't wonderful but negative connotation of the whole "title" sours even the best of gifts. Good luck to those who enter and here's more encouragement to those who can debate issues like this in a mature manner. ^_^

Rosiel
08-12-2002, 11:51 AM
> I can't argue that the prizes aren't wonderful but negative connotation of the whole "title" sours even the best of gifts.

I can't agree more. You managed to sum up my feelings on the matter quite perfectly, and more eloquently than I could have. ^____^

Oshi
08-12-2002, 01:11 PM
What a topic, what a topic...
Here's the bottom line...

ÉRÉXÉvÉĆĀ[āÕą§ĀI
Cosplay is Love!

... wait, no, scratch that, cuz then there's that saying...
"Love is a battlefield"

Gah. Forget I said anything.

Screw competition. It's all for the fun. 'Nuff said.

(PS: To read that blurb of symbols... turn on Japanese encoding ^_^; )

Ranma Saotome
08-12-2002, 02:41 PM
Originally posted by HarleyQuinn
Alright, if you guys are having an anti-miss cosplay universe contest then count me in and already in the top five. :thumbsup: Let's just say I have a knack for being ghetto-especially considering that's me and my friends cosplay group name.

Ghetto cosplay eh? I may have to challenge you for the title. :p

FlameSniperRei
08-12-2002, 03:41 PM
....i think the contest sounds weird x_x*

Kusanagi
08-12-2002, 04:31 PM
I DO have japanese coding enabled. Maybe the forum doesn't support it?

Celine
08-12-2002, 07:07 PM
Originally posted by Rosiel
That wording disturbs me a little. I may be reading too much into it, but not entering does not mean a lack of self-confidence... you can be confident in your looks and yet not want to be rated solely on them.

No no no! ^^;; That isn't what I meant at all. I don't lack in self confidence either (anyone who knows me knows that!), but I choose not to enter. I didn't say that to make any statement about people's self esteem in general.

Just read it as "anyone who has the self-confidence and *wants* to enter...."

Oshi
08-12-2002, 11:14 PM
Originally posted by Kusanagi
I DO have japanese coding enabled. Maybe the forum doesn't support it?

View > Encoding > Japanese (Shift-JIS)
Gotta turn it on manually ^_^;

L to the 3rd
08-12-2002, 11:17 PM
Errr...I wonder if I can enter as Scrawny Squall..
I'm a girl but.. cosplaying as a guy..so what does
that count as? ^_^;;;;;;

Rosiel
08-13-2002, 10:17 AM
> so what does that count as? ^_^;;;;;;

Probably a guy since male cross-dressers can enter as girls. (Or at least I seem to remember that)

Daitenshi
08-14-2002, 02:03 AM
"Errr...I wonder if I can enter as Scrawny Squall.. "

You have the most amazing face *_* You're such a pretty girl, but with the right wig you're a sexy guy. Lucky XD

Adella
08-14-2002, 03:37 AM
Squall is actually her closet tendencies coming out!

I mean.. *cough* :p I love you L!

Yuna
08-14-2002, 04:59 AM
Dude... I know why love Jenny's Helena.. BOOBS. Yes, BOOBS. XDDD




j/k