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Keiichi-san
07-18-2005, 06:19 PM
I didn't personally attend the Adult Swim panel (I was occupied with the cosplayer gathering on Friday), but my friend went and something he told me really ticked me off. Apparently some assclown stepped up to the mic during the fan Q&A session and asked something along the lines of, "How much hatred is it going to take before you stop putting out substandard crap?"

Now, whether or not I agree with this person's opinion (for the record, I don't), what kind of an a-hole do you have to be to do something like that? I mean, if you don't like the shows on Adult Swim, then freaking don't watch them (which apparently was roughly the response that this person was given before he was booed out of the room). You certainly don't spend an hour or more waiting in line and then sit through an entire panel just to tell the panelists how much you hate their work.

Also, on a similar note, I was shocked at how many people were shouting negative comments during the Masquerade. I was seated roughly in the middle of the room and several times heard people in the back who obviously thought they were being terribly funny shout rude comments towards the performers. Things like the typical "Get off the stage" or one person shouting "I've lost the will to live."

I know that some of the performances were kind of lame, but that's no excuse. The people up on those stages put a hell of a lot more effort into their costumes and skits than the assholes in the back put into their snide little comments, that's for sure. And it takes alot of courage to get up in front of ~4,500 people (not counting those watching on monitors throughout the convention center). The least people could do is have the goddam common courtesy not to throw insults at them. I didn't particularly like some of the skits either, but I still clapped when they were done. Like the MoC said, those people worked for weeks and months for absolutely no monetary gain and the only reward they're likely to get is our applause.

The nerve of some people really gets to me sometimes...

-K1

Dany
07-18-2005, 06:33 PM
Also, on a similar note, I was shocked at how many people were shouting negative comments during the Masquerade. I was seated roughly in the middle of the room and several times heard people in the back who obviously thought they were being terribly funny shout rude comments towards the performers. Things like the typical "Get off the stage" or one person shouting "I've lost the will to live."

San Diego has a rep as being one of the hardest groups to perform for. People think they are funny when they are just being stupid. It's very sad and shows that their mothers likely taught them no courtesy whatsoever...or they just had a little too much (insert legal or illegal item of choice here) beforehand.

It's a sad thing, but for every one idiot in the audience, there are several more that do appreciate what is going on and what people are trying to do.

Faint
07-18-2005, 07:07 PM
couldn't agree more.

the comment at the AS panel was directed towards only one show, but still it was very rude. It was funny how the whole room boo'd him off though.

As far as the masq. goes thats what kept my group from doing a sin city skit. i'v heard bad things about the audience.

L to the 3rd
07-18-2005, 08:24 PM
Yep, that is right. SDCC is one of the toughest audiences ever. Even during panels, people were laughing and jeering at the people that were at the mic, asking questions to the panelists. Even more so, if they were in costume. It was really sad.

Faint
07-18-2005, 09:02 PM
i dont understand why people just come to ridicule others. even the comments you hear in the dealer's hall are bad.

what kind of culture/scene do they think they are a part of. i think a lot of the people would be better off at the gun/big truck show.

Karisu-sama
07-18-2005, 09:16 PM
Yep, that is right. SDCC is one of the toughest audiences ever. Even during panels, people were laughing and jeering at the people that were at the mic, asking questions to the panelists. Even more so, if they were in costume. It was really sad.
It's one of the LAMEST audiences I've ever seen in my life. I truly wonder if it's worth bothering to get on stage in front of. There are many many other costuming stage venues one can choose from, and it's not like this one is actually "the most prestigious". It's just big, and if you want to flash the industry people directly, you can. Wheeoo.

IMO they need:
1) More security patrolling the hall during the masquerade. If a few loser idiots who are making complete loudmouthed asses of themselves get ejected, more others may keep their verbal diarrhea to themselves.

2) A more polite MC who is himself more respectful of the contestants and is willing to pause the show rather than put up with such HS-Freshman-style crap.

That hall is about the same size as a Worldcon Masquerade hall, and fills to about the same capacity. (The difference being, that due to lower attendance numbers, pretty much everyone who wants to CAN get in to see the Masq. at Worldcon.) Except at Worldcon, jerks who try that crap WILL be escorted from the room by security post-haste.

To the unwashed drunken fanboy who yelled "entertain me!" and other not-so-"family-friendly" commentary (in front of my kids!) at a costumer onstage who worked very hard on her gorgeous but non-skin-baring costume, I suggest that he would probably have been happier looking for a local strip club. If he hadn't shut up when we threatened him with calling over security, I WOULD have left my seat and gotten my friends in 'ELITE' to boot him out on his reeking arse.

Dany
07-18-2005, 09:24 PM
To the unwashed drunken fanboy who yelled "entertain me!" and other not-so-"family-friendly" commentary (in front of my kids!) at a costumer onstage who worked very hard on her gorgeous but non-skin-baring costume, I suggest that he would probably have been happier looking for a local strip club. If he hadn't shut up when we threatened him with calling over security, I WOULD have left my seat and gotten my friends in 'ELITE' to boot him out on his reeking arse.

Gah. That's just INSANE!! XP

Urgh. Have big sword. D smash. *stompity!*

hello kenney
07-18-2005, 10:02 PM
dont compare it to an anime con masquerade- compare it to amatuer night at the apollo or the gong show. the atmosphere and judging criteria are different. to you it seems normal to see cosplay but for people outside the anime con circles its still pretty bizarre.

put yourself in thier shoes- watch one of those trek documenteries about people who raise thier kids as klingons or wear starfleet uniforms to work every day and force everyone to call them admiral. the extremists are a small but high profile minority that make the whole community look bad.

i can think of some small but high profile minorities in cosplay: man fayes, sailor bubbas, and of course the kinky sex stuff that people associate with furries...

comic con is a melting pot of many groups of fandom- but dont forget american comics are aimed at males and are considered to have no literary worth by society. schools ban comics- parent groups protest them for corrupting the youth. because of that you see a lot of comic fans with a rebelous 'hell yeah i read comics- so what??' attitude. im generalizing of course, but its a fundamental difference in the two fan bases.

the comic convention scene is rapidly changing, but it hasnt been that long since 95% of the comic market were macho power fantasies overflowing with testosterone and women serving only as sex objects...i remember my first impression of an anime con was- 'wow, there are actually girls here.'

Jaina Solo
07-19-2005, 12:24 AM
I whole-heartedly agree; there were about 5 teenage assholes sitting behind us making degrading remarks, and it really made me fume.

It's quite a shame that the audience is so bad at SDCC, because I think SDCC boasts one of the best masquerades around. I love how the masquerade puts FAR more emphasis on costumes rather than skits; some of the entries has some very entertaining walk-ons that didn't drag on for 5 minutes. I was always under the impression that a masquerade at a con was suppose to be a costume contest and not a talent show, and SDCC definitely rewarded people for their costumes (GO DANY! YOU FRIGGIN' RULED! D PWNS!). Not that I don't like skits either, but compared to say, the FanimeCon Masquerade, where 98% of the entries were skits, and only about 50% were entertaining, the SDCC Masquerade went by much quicker even though they had twice as many entries as Fanime.

Yakuza03
07-19-2005, 01:04 AM
Seems to me that those people are single-minded, selfish, elitist, and self-centered people. What happened to the feeling of community and not competition. Accepting of what we do and also KEEPING OUR MOUTHS SHUT! Simple plan: Can't say anything that makes them feel better, DON'T say anything after all. (I'm sorry. I'm really sad of those poor performers).

If someone next to me is downgrading that person, I tell him to be quiet and don't say anything bad. I usually intolerate downgrading. (sorry mods. have the comraderie for our compatriots)

I rather go to a little known con than a big time con with hardcore cosplayers (what I mean by hardcore, I mean "destructive commenting" cosplayers")

Karisu-sama
07-19-2005, 05:47 PM
It's quite a shame that the audience is so bad at SDCC, because I think SDCC boasts one of the best masquerades around.
Worldcons and Costume Con are normally in that same caliber. ~____^ With far more mature and polite MC and audience behavior to boot.

Dany
07-19-2005, 06:12 PM
(GO DANY! YOU FRIGGIN' RULED! D PWNS!).

*LOL* It's so funny...was talking to my roomie this morning about how one pronounces "pwns". We've come to the conclusion that it should be pronounced "powns"...because there's a bloody P in it! :)

But thank you. I'm glad you enjoyed it :)

Dany
07-19-2005, 06:13 PM
Worldcons and Costume Con are normally in that same caliber. ~____^ With far more mature and polite MC and audience behavior to boot.


She's got a point there.

Really. Come to CostumeCon. Come to WorldCon. Come to the ICG-type stuff. We're not scary. Honest. :D

Jaina Solo
07-19-2005, 06:27 PM
Worldcons and Costume Con are normally in that same caliber. ~____^ With far more mature and polite MC and audience behavior to boot.
I'll definitely be looking to attend those cons in the future. It's really a pity that a few immature jerks can really ruin an entire show.

*LOL* It's so funny...was talking to my roomie this morning about how one pronounces "pwns". We've come to the conclusion that it should be pronounced "powns"...because there's a bloody P in it!
You know what's kind of pathetic? Me and my friend Jinyo have that SAME conversation ALL the time. :thumbsup:

Wolfgirl
07-19-2005, 07:54 PM
It's one of the LAMEST audiences I've ever seen in my life. I truly wonder if it's worth bothering to get on stage in front of. There are many many other costuming stage venues one can choose from, and it's not like this one is actually "the most prestigious". It's just big, and if you want to flash the industry people directly, you can. Wheeoo.

IMO they need:
1) More security patrolling the hall during the masquerade. If a few loser idiots who are making complete loudmouthed asses of themselves get ejected, more others may keep their verbal diarrhea to themselves.

2) A more polite MC who is himself more respectful of the contestants and is willing to pause the show rather than put up with such HS-Freshman-style crap.

That hall is about the same size as a Worldcon Masquerade hall, and fills to about the same capacity. (The difference being, that due to lower attendance numbers, pretty much everyone who wants to CAN get in to see the Masq. at Worldcon.) Except at Worldcon, jerks who try that crap WILL be escorted from the room by security post-haste.

To the unwashed drunken fanboy who yelled "entertain me!" and other not-so-"family-friendly" commentary (in front of my kids!) at a costumer onstage who worked very hard on her gorgeous but non-skin-baring costume, I suggest that he would probably have been happier looking for a local strip club. If he hadn't shut up when we threatened him with calling over security, I WOULD have left my seat and gotten my friends in 'ELITE' to boot him out on his reeking arse.

You know whats funny is once your up there you can not hear anything like that coming from the audience and its all dark. I had fun but that MC needs to go he was horrible and mean . That was just bad.

*L* this was my first masqurade so I just did it for myself and had fun. I hope you guys saw me :P


This was my gripe. Saturday we have from 10 to whatever time to rehurse and bring up big props. They had the stupid adult swim or whatever it was pannel lined up by room 30 and not behind the blue screen next to room 30. We where soposed to be bringing up our costumes at that time. Do you know how hard it is to try to get through a mob of 1000 or more people with giant gargoyle wings?

They should of lined thoughs people up so they where out of the way of room 30 so we could rehurse without people seeing us and get our props up. That was just poor planning.

Otherwise I had fun with the masqurade.

Wolfgirl
07-19-2005, 07:56 PM
Worldcons and Costume Con are normally in that same caliber. ~____^ With far more mature and polite MC and audience behavior to boot.


ok thats it im coming with you to world con next year:P ill hide in your suit case:P

Karisu-sama
07-19-2005, 08:18 PM
ok thats it im coming with you to world con next year:P ill hide in your suit case:P
Worldcon is highly conveniently in LA next year. http://www.laconiv.com/ The earlier one gets the membership, the cheaper it is of course, and I typically register 2-3 years in advance for these things. Save your pennies!! I've been going to Worldcons for years - they're not the cheapest cons in the world, but you DO get the Bang for the Buck!!

Wolfgirl
07-19-2005, 08:37 PM
Worldcon is highly conveniently in LA next year. http://www.laconiv.com/ The earlier one gets the membership, the cheaper it is of course, and I typically register 2-3 years in advance for these things. Save your pennies!! I've been going to Worldcons for years - they're not the cheapest cons in the world, but you DO get the Bang for the Buck!!


Sounds great ill save up my money and maybe join you there next year :)

positivespace
07-19-2005, 09:45 PM
I actually kind of get a kick out of the fact that it IS such hard audience to perform in front of. It's a challenge. It also becomes all that more rewarding when you win over the audience with your ability to entertain. I was part of the RoV skit this year and after hearing boo's from the audience when our audio was lost then returning to a really good cheer, followed by even bigger cheers when we finished, I can honestly say I was extremely satisfied... and proud.

You definitely have to have the guts to go up to that kind of audience and strut your stuff and SDCC's masq is MUCH much different than your typical anime con. I can understand why those of you who aren't familiar with it would consider it worse than what you're used to. I honestly can't compare the two, though, I enjoy anime masq's for what they are like I enjoy SDCC's masq's for what they are.

Karisu-sama
07-19-2005, 10:41 PM
Many Anime Masqs I've been to are not run anywhere close to the higher standards I grown to appreciate from SF cons, Worldcon and Costume Con, but after 27 years of seeing the gamut from excellent to poor on the con circuit, one gets a bit impatient with Masquerades that are directed and run at a lower level of quality. (And by this I do NOT mean the level of the performance and workmanship of the people entered in the Masq., I mean the level of the way the logistics are run.)

SDCC got some things RIGHT that many Anime cons have had problems with - entry time limits, alert stage ninjas, moving the entries along briskly. However, for starters, why on earth did the MC not have a headset so he could be informed immediate of backstage problems and technical glitches? Why on earth did he have to make rude commentary instead of pointing out that there likely WERE technical glitches, when things such as the RoV music not being cued occurred??

It is clear that his experience at MCing is not lengthy or great. It has also become abundantly clear to me that the best Masq. MCs are very often drawn from the ranks of actual experienced performer-costumers, or at the very least those who know what the backstage performer experience actually feels like.

Dany
07-19-2005, 10:56 PM
I actually kind of get a kick out of the fact that it IS such hard audience to perform in front of. It's a challenge.

You're right there. It's definitely a good thing when you can pull off a good crowd response out of an audience that is, in many cases, looking for anything to go wrong or to poke fun at you.

Giving them little, if any, excuse to do so, or even turning them to applaud...yeah, that's nifty. :)

AnimeGamer
07-19-2005, 11:30 PM
*to self* must avoid posting e-mail address to Masquerade coordnator....

I'll be sure next time to send a link along to the Masquerade people to this thread. I'm sure the masquerade people will at least glance at it (I hope). I knew from the get though that the Masq. wasn't going to be really orginized, considering that:

a) For one thing, it took til Friday for me to get my 4-day badge from them.
b) The utter fact the higher-ups were practically flying everywhere to solve problems
c) Comic-con is never really controlled well (I still remember being nearly trampled by people who wanted to see Angelina Jolie two years back, when security should've been handled by ELITE).
d) There are people who hate, as much as I don't like that fact. There are your Otakus, Trekkies, LotR-lovers, Jedi and such and converge on one night which very different opinionating ideas of what the best costume should be. Anime costumes tend to not get much love, regardless of the fact that generally a third of the con now is anime-centralized (to the shigrin of the comic-lovers).
e) Technical glitches during the "Dear Friends - Music from Final Fantasy" concert, I knew then that there were gonna be glitches at panels across the board.
f) History - SDCC is known to be technical glitched up the a-hole every year.

Seriously though, I will e-mail a link to one of the higher-ups I work with to this thread. Whether or not she will read it is up to her.

Citrakite
07-19-2005, 11:52 PM
Asshats like that( take your pick of examples) really do ruin stuff. I know doing AX Idol try-outs there were times I so wanted to go Simon on them ala American idol and tell them that has to be the worse thing I've heard and i've watched my dog die whining right before the Euthesia kicked in. I bit my tongue because they have more guts to do that in front of room full of people they don't know and I know if it was me and someone did that they'd have a mike stand wrapped around their necks and the amp plugged in where the sun doesn't shine.

Just because it not your thing doesn't give you the right to crap on it or the people who put so much time and effort and personal fortitude to go on stage.

hello kenney
07-20-2005, 12:17 AM
i think there is a difference between what some people view as problems with the masquerade vs. what the masquerade at comic con has always been.

kurisu-sama makes a good point that it is run very differently- entries are judged using different criteria.

but is different necessarily wrong?

i have always thought the comic con judging was more about what the crowd wants. the crowd isnt concerned with stitching and smaller details- the crowd likes batman and batman wins best workmanship. the crowd likes big and impressive, not subtle- so jack and zero win. not saying that anyone in particular didnt deserve to win- in fact catering to the system is the key to winning so bravo to them.

look at the winners- notice something in common with nearly all of them? they are based on popular movies- or have had movies made about them (or tv shows.) its like that every year. anime fan, trekkie, jedi, marvel fanboy- whatever you are, chances are youve seen edward scissorhands, disney movies, or the nightmare before christmas. by picking such widely known entries as winners they dont alienate any particular group.

d) There are people who hate, as much as I don't like that fact. There are your Otakus, Trekkies, LotR-lovers, Jedi and such and converge on one night which very different opinionating ideas of what the best costume should be. Anime costumes tend to not get much love, regardless of the fact that generally a third of the con now is anime-centralized (to the shigrin of the comic-lovers).

viz, tokyopop, etc. need to step up and sponsor awards.

to clarify- they need to sponsor awards given to the community that supports them. of the only anime related company i see in the list of award givers- anime pavilion- they choose the nightcrawler/tomb raider entry as the best. :eeek:

hello kenney
07-20-2005, 12:20 AM
wait- this is the masquerade thread complaining about the crowd/mc? i was aiming for the one complaining about the judging >.<

AnimeGamer
07-20-2005, 12:39 AM
Honestly, I only see Tokyopop *possibily* doing an award.

I doubt any time soon that ADV, Geneon, Bandai, Viz, CPM, or any other anime/manga distributor will give out an award.

Then again, maybe I should ask the Del Rey guys next year. Dallas (Director of Manga for Del Rey) is cool enough to maybe warm up the idea to him.

Karisu-sama
07-20-2005, 02:29 AM
wait- this is the masquerade thread complaining about the crowd/mc? i was aiming for the one complaining about the judging >.<
Yes, this IS the one complaining about the MC and the crowd, not the judges. You answered in the wrong thread. :p

kurisu-sama makes a good point that it is run very differently- entries are judged using different criteria.

You MISSED my point, then, which was about how the Masq. was being run and MCed, and that some things WERE being done better than at Anime cons, though the MC was a poor choice for the job and security was not adequately controlling the crowd. As for tech glitches, they can just happen at even the best of events, but the MC needs to address them MUCH better than he did (which was basically not at all.) I said nothing about judging.

I don't believe I personally have said a darned thing so far about the Comic-Con judging anywhere on this site, in fact.

I am not at this time seeing major issues from the PoV of my being an audience member on this go-round instead of a contestant. Those who were backstage can speak to whether they felt workmanship judging was handled well or not, but I was not there.

hello kenney
07-20-2005, 04:26 AM
yeah, sorry about that- mixed up the threads.

karisu- i was thinking of the post in the other thread where you mentioned costume con- specifically, you brought it up in what i thought was a reply/alternative/whatever to those people who entered the comic con masquerade but felt that the judges didnt pay enough attention to the workmanship, accuracy, etc.

you didnt say one was better than the other or anything like that- just that they do some things differently.

it probably wouldve been clearer if i had actually posted in the right thread... :walkoff:

so back on topic....

man...hecklers...who hates em? i know i do...

didjiman
07-20-2005, 04:41 AM
SDCC is probably a bit too much humanity for us, despite me being grown up in Hong Kong and NYC. Anyway, MC and the crowd... OK, it's not that we only like what we like and can't accept new stuff, but when you sit next to a guy who screams "Entertain me!" when an entrant isn't doing much except showing off her costume, well... lets just say that's not my cup of tea (we did tell him to shut up). To me, a masquerade is not "entertainment for the masses." A masquerade is not a talent show. There are lots of TV shows for that. May be I am old school, a masquerade is to show off the costumes and if the entrant wants to make the presentation entertaining, that's great and should be encouraged. Perhaps this is just how things are in a media con, in which case, we probably will not be going to a media con. May be there is a reason that SDCC was the first media con we have gone to in 20+ years on con going! I see no great pleasure in satisfying hecklers who want to be entertained. Sure, one can wow them with kick ass skits with amazing costumes to boot, but the ones that heckle the loudest would be just as satisified if a nude dancer comes out.

The crowd heckling problem can be solved with a half dozen security guys walking around and toss one or two guys out. The MC can help a lot by not powertripping, and by skillfully stall for times as soon as it is obvious that there are technical difficulties.

Dany
07-20-2005, 12:04 PM
*to self* must avoid posting e-mail address to Masquerade coordnator....

Never mind that the Masquerade contact information is on the ComicCon website and is monitored year-round ;)

Seriously. If you have something that you feel that could be improved somehow, it can't hurt to send an email up to the coordinator. Martin will listen to mature concerns from people (as compared to "OMG ur masquerade is teh suxxors!!!11one!!!"). In fact, there was something that Roomie and I brought up to him at the playback meeting Sunday, and since it's something that up to this year was not a concern, I think it might actually have an effect on things for future masquerades.

He also explained to those who attended the playback about some of the issues behind the Masquerade audio. The long and short of it is that the convention center requires them to rent the AV equipment from them..and said equipment (particularly the DVD players, which I believe were being used for audio) is approximately nine years old. As a result, some of the CDs made by the contestants did not work as well as hoped, because of more up-to-date technologies being used for them, etc.. Something that came up as a solution is that contestants be able to send their audio in advance so that it can be checked for usability, or programmed into something that is a bit more reliable.

I also know of two changes in the rules from last year that I am sure are direct result of concerns raised.

So yeah...I am not sure if Martin or any other staff read here. As a result, you could complain until you are blue and no one will likely hear. Your best bet is to drop a line to the email addy listed on the ComicCon site.

Just my humble two pennies...

Dre
07-20-2005, 05:09 PM
dont compare it to an anime con masquerade- compare it to amatuer night at the apollo or the gong show. the atmosphere and judging criteria are different. to you it seems normal to see cosplay but for people outside the anime con circles its still pretty bizarre.

put yourself in thier shoes- watch one of those trek documenteries about people who raise thier kids as klingons or wear starfleet uniforms to work every day and force everyone to call them admiral. the extremists are a small but high profile minority that make the whole community look bad.

i can think of some small but high profile minorities in cosplay: man fayes, sailor bubbas, and of course the kinky sex stuff that people associate with furries...

comic con is a melting pot of many groups of fandom- but dont forget american comics are aimed at males and are considered to have no literary worth by society. schools ban comics- parent groups protest them for corrupting the youth. because of that you see a lot of comic fans with a rebelous 'hell yeah i read comics- so what??' attitude. im generalizing of course, but its a fundamental difference in the two fan bases.

the comic convention scene is rapidly changing, but it hasnt been that long since 95% of the comic market were macho power fantasies overflowing with testosterone and women serving only as sex objects...i remember my first impression of an anime con was- 'wow, there are actually girls here.'

I couldn't agree with you more with the "Gong Show" conotations and the fact that the comc-con is the result of cultures and media pop-culture clashing into one-another to form a huge festival of goodies and what-not.

However, I am one of many who read American comic books. and regardless of my upbringing of Marvel and DC, I feel that there are at least exceptions to what you are saying. Hell, you can say the exact same thing about those who play video games, watch anime, and/or cosplay!

I go to the Comic-Con not to encounter the rude and the insipid, but rather to embrace the merging cultures and enjoy the show, not letting anyone else who views things otherwise to ruin it for me!

hello kenney
07-20-2005, 07:06 PM
However, I am one of many who read American comic books. and regardless of my upbringing of Marvel and DC, I feel that there are at least exceptions to what you are saying.

youre right- my generalization was pretty broad. it is a small and decreasing population at comic con with that mindset i described. but they are there- and more apparent when you go to a more mainstream american comic oriented con like wizard world. just look at all the pin up models and porn stars that have booths at wizard world (if you havent been- its a lot, way more than comic con.) you dont really see that at anime, sci-fi, or gaming cons.

i think the type of guy who will pay $15 for an autographed picture of some random bimbo because 'omg giant fake boobs!' is the same type of guy that might yell out 'entertain me' or 'take it off' at the masquerade.

Karisu-sama
07-21-2005, 03:33 AM
SDCC hecklers are not what I personally consider a "hard" audience to perform for - because I just personally don't find much reward in winning over the approval of some drunken loud-mouthed hecklers who'd be quite as happy (probably happier) getting "entertained" by a topless dance act or a WWF match instead of by costumers. There's no real reward, at least to my mind, for impressing people who have no real appreciation of what's going on. (Of course not everyone in the audience at SDCC is a boor - there are plenty of cool people in that audience - but a vocal minority of the crowd are pain-in-the-ass hecklers, and those are the ones who don't impress ME as being really worthy of any attempt to impress THEM.)

A "hard" audience as far as I'm concerned would be one composed of expert costumers and seasoned stage performers, who may be sharp to spot the imperfections in anything I do. Winning them over is to me a real feat.

grandis
07-21-2005, 01:49 PM
I actually had words with one of the staffers about Phil (the MC). Apparently they think that he's a fan favorite, and that he manages the crowd well.

I've watched video tapes of him doing his thing before this year, and I've seen a consistently bad performance year after year. I think that perhaps the staff may not want to change because it's a tough job in front of a tough audience, but that would, I guess, be the very first place to change the masquerade culture.

As to the audience, yup, it's a rough audience. It's not as rotten as some of the anime con audiences I've been up against in the Midwest (Anime Central strikes me as the absolute worst con for egging its audience on. Even its cosplayers heckle each other!), but it's tough. It's a challenge, but it would be nice to NOT have to face that challenge. :)

Just to back Dany up, I found Martin very receptive, and I think that if enough folks were to talk about the problems of the masquerade, and how to solve those problems, there might be some work in that regard. I think that the masq was well set up and pretty well run.

Security and the MC seem to be the main issues. I figure if we threw out some of the more rowdy folks, and set up a climate of respect, you might get a better audience. You often get what you expect.

Grandis

Wolfgirl
07-21-2005, 03:54 PM
*L* the funny thing is I never really noticed the obnoxious people in the audience when i wason stage. Even though I was only there for 30 seconds:P you can't see the audience and you can't really hear anything.

Wolfgirl
07-21-2005, 03:57 PM
SDCC hecklers are not what I personally consider a "hard" audience to perform for - because I just personally don't find much reward in winning over the approval of some drunken loud-mouthed hecklers who'd be quite as happy (probably happier) getting "entertained" by a topless dance act or a WWF match instead of by costumers. There's no real reward, at least to my mind, for impressing people who have no real appreciation of what's going on. (Of course not everyone in the audience at SDCC is a boor - there are plenty of cool people in that audience - but a vocal minority of the crowd are pain-in-the-ass hecklers, and those are the ones who don't impress ME as being really worthy of any attempt to impress THEM.)

A "hard" audience as far as I'm concerned would be one composed of expert costumers and seasoned stage performers, who may be sharp to spot the imperfections in anything I do. Winning them over is to me a real feat.

I agree with you on that one.

I mostly only did the masqurade to promote gargoyles since I'm part of one of the biggest fan sites for that. And the new comic book coming out. Otherwise I had fun I really did'nt worry about th e rude people because well I couldnt hear them when I was on stage *L* nor could I see . It would be neat to actuly be in a masqurade that was full of people looking at the costumes and such.

Dany
07-22-2005, 12:25 AM
*L* the funny thing is I never really noticed the obnoxious people in the audience when i wason stage. Even though I was only there for 30 seconds:P you can't see the audience and you can't really hear anything.

Well, for me, all I heard was a lot of yelling and stuff..especially when I 'gave 'em the Hand' as it were.

Lefty got more applause than me!! *overdramatic and very fake wibbling!*

"Well of course I'd get more applause! I'm the best part of the presentation!

*eyes left hand warily*

BabyKitten199
08-02-2005, 10:10 PM
This was my first time at Comic Con & I was fortunate enough to get a spot in the Masquerade (#23, Aeon Flux, I missed the deadline last year so I registered way early this year) & I must say, I totally enjoyed myself. I agree that the MC was really obnoxious (we were growning backstage throughout the night at his unfunny jabs) but thankfully he didn't mess up my intro & my music went on w/out a hitch & I seemed to get a pretty favorable reaction from the audience. I loved modeling in h.s. & college fashion shows & haven't done it in years & never to such a large crowd & I loved every second of my 1:15 on stage. I'll have to listen a little closer when I get the videotape of it, but I don't think the audience heckled me (at least I hope they didn't.) It's unfortunate that they heckled anyone because it takes a lot of nerve, strength & talent to get up on that stage. It's easy to to mock someone when you don't have the guts to do it yourself but if the shoe was on the other foot, I doubt they'd be so vocal in their criticism.

The photography session after we got off the stage was something I'll never forget, I felt like a total superstar with all of those flashes going off! I know my character is supposed to be sort of evil, but I couldn't help but have the biggest smile on my face the whole time. I didn't mind the lead photographer telling me how to pose, etc, etc; if someone wanted a picture of me, I was more than happy to pose for them. I was in the company of some of the most interesting & talented people that you could ever meet & it was an honor & a pleasure to be among them at the Masquerade. Everyone I dealt with esp. Martin, were fantastic! I can't wait to go back next year!!!

Firestar
08-03-2005, 01:00 AM
I didn't personally attend the Adult Swim panel (I was occupied with the cosplayer gathering on Friday), but my friend went and something he told me really ticked me off. Apparently some assclown stepped up to the mic during the fan Q&A session and asked something along the lines of, "How much hatred is it going to take before you stop putting out substandard crap?"

Now, whether or not I agree with this person's opinion (for the record, I don't), what kind of an a-hole do you have to be to do something like that? I mean, if you don't like the shows on Adult Swim, then freaking don't watch them (which apparently was roughly the response that this person was given before he was booed out of the room). You certainly don't spend an hour or more waiting in line and then sit through an entire panel just to tell the panelists how much you hate their work.

Also, on a similar note, I was shocked at how many people were shouting negative comments during the Masquerade. I was seated roughly in the middle of the room and several times heard people in the back who obviously thought they were being terribly funny shout rude comments towards the performers. Things like the typical "Get off the stage" or one person shouting "I've lost the will to live."

I know that some of the performances were kind of lame, but that's no excuse. The people up on those stages put a hell of a lot more effort into their costumes and skits than the assholes in the back put into their snide little comments, that's for sure. And it takes alot of courage to get up in front of ~4,500 people (not counting those watching on monitors throughout the convention center). The least people could do is have the goddam common courtesy not to throw insults at them. I didn't particularly like some of the skits either, but I still clapped when they were done. Like the MoC said, those people worked for weeks and months for absolutely no monetary gain and the only reward they're likely to get is our applause.

The nerve of some people really gets to me sometimes...

-K1

think about it.
this world isnt all little rainbows and unicorns and shit.
people are assholes.
its like... accepted now.

though i was pretty pissed to miss the adult swim panel. i planned on going on saturday just to see the adult swim panel, and yet i missed it... for another year. =/

piwackit
08-13-2005, 05:00 AM
Having been onstage, backstage & in the audience I can understand things from several areas.

I'd have to agree w/a lot of people here that the SDCC Masq. crowd is the rowdiest.
They have an attention span of about 30 seconds. If it's not interesting by then, you’re going to hear it. (the good thing about that is, when your onstage you can barely hear over your music, let alone see past the judges)

The Con has gotten bigger by leaps & bounds. That's not always a good thing.
With that comes many changes & growing pains. You would think by now that everything would have been thought out by now so there are no "surprises".
Unfortunately for the Masquerade, it's one of the hardest areas to get volunteers (& good ones to boot). Try working a Masquerade one year & see what goes on.

As to getting decent MC's & judges, here's the challenge:
SDCC is the biggest event for industry & fans alike. Getting most of the professionals to give up a Saturday (when they could be at a party or dinner) is almost a joke. That does not excuse people who are jerks to the audience, to the contestants backstage or while they are on stage. I personally would like to see someone other than Foglio as the MC. His tactics over the last few years are wearing thin & actually encourage the audience into their behavior.
One of the best MC's was Robert Englund. Polite, very upbeat & a true pleasure to watch.
Anyone have any suggestions? Remember, many pros want to be paid to appear & the con does not pay anyone who MC's or judges. Hence the same people are judging & MCing.

The best thing for everyone to do if they have a particular problem with judges, the MC or how things are handled backstage/front of house, is to contact Martin directly.
You can get a hold of him via the Con web site. cci-info@comic-con.org
My suggestions: keep your grievances to the point.
Give examples of what happened (or what needs changing)
Make your criticisms as impersonal & constructive as you can.
Come up w/a solution to solve the problem if possible.

It's usually the same people working backstage year after year so sometimes a little nudge in the right direction helps.

gothicpanda
08-13-2005, 11:51 AM
Also, on a similar note, I was shocked at how many people were shouting negative comments during the Masquerade. I was seated roughly in the middle of the room and several times heard people in the back who obviously thought they were being terribly funny shout rude comments towards the performers. Things like the typical "Get off the stage" or one person shouting "I've lost the will to live."
-K1

I totally agree with what you said about the people getting up there and having respect for them.

We had a problem like the one you are describing for a few years. (The audience yelling out rude things, booing, just being disrespectful.)

First it was just a few people, but then it was more and more. People began to think it was acceptable behavior. :( :miffed:

Finally we had to take serrious action to put a stop to it. A year of educating the community that it isn't at all cool or welcome behavior. And a very serious policy of ejecting trouble makers from the masquerade.

We had to keep the houselights up at two major shows that year. It both made it easier to identify trouble makers and discouraged them , because many were less brave if they weren't in the dark.

Happily we were supported by many , many masque fans who are respectful and supportive of those artists/preformers who make the effort and take the time to participate in the masquerade. The community became kind of self policing, and now thngs are great.

We hope things improve for you guys. :)

eddiethetrooper
08-13-2005, 09:20 PM
I didn't personally attend the Adult Swim panel (I was occupied with the cosplayer gathering on Friday), but my friend went and something he told me really ticked me off. Apparently some assclown stepped up to the mic during the fan Q&A session and asked something along the lines of, "How much hatred is it going to take before you stop putting out substandard crap?"

Now, whether or not I agree with this person's opinion (for the record, I don't), what kind of an a-hole do you have to be to do something like that? I mean, if you don't like the shows on Adult Swim, then freaking don't watch them (which apparently was roughly the response that this person was given before he was booed out of the room). You certainly don't spend an hour or more waiting in line and then sit through an entire panel just to tell the panelists how much you hate their work.

Also, on a similar note, I was shocked at how many people were shouting negative comments during the Masquerade. I was seated roughly in the middle of the room and several times heard people in the back who obviously thought they were being terribly funny shout rude comments towards the performers. Things like the typical "Get off the stage" or one person shouting "I've lost the will to live."

I know that some of the performances were kind of lame, but that's no excuse. The people up on those stages put a hell of a lot more effort into their costumes and skits than the assholes in the back put into their snide little comments, that's for sure. And it takes alot of courage to get up in front of ~4,500 people (not counting those watching on monitors throughout the convention center). The least people could do is have the goddam common courtesy not to throw insults at them. I didn't particularly like some of the skits either, but I still clapped when they were done. Like the MoC said, those people worked for weeks and months for absolutely no monetary gain and the only reward they're likely to get is our applause.

The nerve of some people really gets to me sometimes...

-K1
thats fucked up people work really hard doin that and thats how people act are so childish

Kaijugal
08-14-2005, 03:03 AM
think about it.
this world isnt all little rainbows and unicorns and shit.
people are assholes.
its like... accepted now.


So the world isn't perfect. That doesn't make it okay to be a rude and nasty asshat. It's a lame excuse at best.