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AnnAnime
01-10-2006, 02:09 PM
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I was looking online today and happen to come accross a site I have been looking for, for a long time. There is a website below that belongs to someone who will scam you... I have heard alot of bad Experiences with this person.

Here is their site: ( do not get them to make a costume!)

The Cosplay Shop (http://www.geocities.com/cosplayshop/)

There are sites that have proof about bad experiences with this person.

here is one that was made a while back but made me look for the site for a long time. people were still getting ripped off too.

The Cosplay Shop Scam (http://www.geocities.com/sweet_erin_1999/scam.html)

Here is also another one that gives you a testimate from someone who was scammed and the person's Ebay seller name.

Lion Heart's Cosplay: Cosplay Scams (http://lionhearts.interstellar-beams.net/scams/index.html)

If you want to see the profile of the person on Ebay look here but DO NOT BUY!!

Ebay seller: garylo2000 (http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=garylo2000&iid=)

Notice that all the good feedback is from stuff they bought and bad from what they sold. If anyone knows this person's new Ebay name please contact me. Funny how they are no longer a member since they scammed people.

Hope this helps someone!

UrMastrInuYasha
01-10-2006, 03:44 PM
Thank for the post! do not want to get scammed.... >.<

Mew_Pudding
01-10-2006, 05:14 PM
Ack! Evil people!! ><!

Kaiyn
01-11-2006, 02:24 PM
You also forgot Dark Dragonfly, AnnAnime

AnnAnime
01-11-2006, 02:36 PM
i personally do not know much about her so I personally cannot post about her.

However right now I am trying to track the person I posted about. The last time they ripped someone off was not long ago so I intend to find them.

Anyone is free to post about any scam artists in here though. I post those I know alot about.

You also forgot Dark Dragonfly, AnnAnime

Feral
01-11-2006, 03:40 PM
Personally I wouldn't buy anything from someone whose site (if you could call it that) is hosted by Geocities. First of all, it means they're not paying anything for the service, when means they're probably not a legit business. And secondly, they're scamming Geocities by violating their user policy, so why wouldn't they scam me as well?

AnnAnime
01-11-2006, 04:04 PM
Just because they have a free site does not mean they are not legit. I have a free site but I'm not ripping people off though. Also on my service you are allowed to sell things on your site using the free service. It just depends on their privacy policy, not all services are the same.

I have MANY customers that would tell you I am legit.

Eriol
01-11-2006, 04:48 PM
Personally I wouldn't buy anything from someone whose site (if you could call it that) is hosted by Geocities. First of all, it means they're not paying anything for the service, when means they're probably not a legit business. And secondly, they're scamming Geocities by violating their user policy, so why wouldn't they scam me as well?

This depends on how the site is conducted. If it has clear policies spelled out on the site and easy for visitors to see, the site may be legit.

It doesn't matter if it's Geocities or not. Some sites have their own domain names and have been accused of scamming people.

Yumeko
01-11-2006, 05:33 PM
Hmmm so you are saying Feral is that anyone on geocities or any other free service is not legit? I won't lie and say that did not offend me becuase I am mildly

I have to agree with Eriol and Ann though. Just becuase a commissioner uses a free webhosting service does not mean that they are scam artists. Honestly at this point in my career I cannot afford paid hosting so I have to rely on free services like Freewebs etc.

ShinWHO
01-12-2006, 12:38 AM
If anyone knows this person's new Ebay name please contact me. Funny how they are no longer a member since they scammed people.
I know exactly who you are talking about. I have a huge collection of costumes from Japanese shops (COSPA, COSMODE, MANDARAKE, etc.), Yahoo Auctions Japan and eBay, and unfortunately dealt with this person more than once. First, as w2kwong, which is still registered with relatively good feedback. I gave neutral feedback because I actually got a pretty good costume, just had to put up with ridiculous BS with shipping. Person showed up as Wai Wai Kwong on Paypal, but item was sent by Gary Lo. Plus it wasn't the same item as in the pictures. Then, as cchan2005 (Carmen Chan), who I tried to get 2 costumes from and showed up on Paypal as Simon Lo. One I never got and the other was delivered from someone named Iris Chan unfinished with missing accessories I paid for. As soon as I left 2 negative feedbacks and asked if they knew who w2kwong was, they were immediately no longer registered on eBay. This person is also responsible for the aweful cosplayaustralia website and has used the e-mail address gm@cosplayaustralia.com among many others that I still have records of. I was seriously considering going after them for fraud at one point.

Kaiyn
01-12-2006, 01:05 AM
All i know is that Dark Dragonfly has scammed a good amount of people on here as well, but she`s never been taken to court about all the people she scammed

Feral
01-12-2006, 01:28 AM
I'm just saying that, it is my understanding, you cannot use Geocities to sell things. It's free hosting for personal me-me or hobby sites, and the company offers other hosting packages allowed for selling, which usually cost a monthly fee. When you sign up for the free service, you agree that you will not use it to create a commercial site... to do otherwise is to scam Geocities. So if you really want to get rid of the scammer, just send them a tip :P

And I should also reiterate, I didn't mean that just because someone uses a free site they're a scammer, but I guess it came out wrong. What I meant to say is that not a lot of people pay money to steal money (sans maybe professional phishers and the like), and those who have made an investment are more likely to be taking to be taking their business seriously. I feel much more comfortable sending money to a professional looking site (for any type of product) than one that is cluttered with popups and advertisement banners because they're using a free service like Geocities, which is the only host in question here. So no need to chew me out. Those are just things I look for as a consumer.

I seem to have taken this off-topic, so I won't respond again, but thanks for warning us, Ann.

kuko-chan
01-12-2006, 01:56 AM
Personally I wouldn't buy anything from someone whose site (if you could call it that) is hosted by Geocities. First of all, it means they're not paying anything for the service, when means they're probably not a legit business. And secondly, they're scamming Geocities by violating their user policy, so why wouldn't they scam me as well?
I'd have to agree with her on this one. Not that free-service servers means you're a scammer, but Geocities just doesn't look professional, period.

I had a site on Geocities (my first one, mind you) and they are not the type you'd want to host a professional online commission site with. No offense, but Geocities is for amatures who can't be bothered with designing their own layouts. Geocities comes with preset layouts and a choppy cut and paste interfacing that looks like one made their site with Microsoft Word. (ducks behind chair) Don't flame me, but that's my personal opinion based on my experience with Geocities.

Sakura
01-12-2006, 08:35 AM
I agree about Geocities. It was a geocities commission site that screwed me out of $100 for a Chii wig >_< what they did was take TONS of commissions and then before it could get out that no one was getting their stuff and they were scammers, they pretty much closed down the site and stopped updating it. I don't remember the site anymore because it's been like 4 years but I've got the chick's address somewhere in my house. She's lucky I was unable to get places back then... I'd have taken my money back in person.

Eriol
01-12-2006, 11:27 AM
All i know is that Dark Dragonfly has scammed a good amount of people on here as well, but she`s never been taken to court about all the people she scammed

There are many things that hinder attempts at prosecuting scammers.

1) Limited or lack of information on the person. For example, many transactions go through Paypal. Most times, a person sees only a name. Without knowing where the person lives, it is difficult to prosecute. Paypal isn't going to divulge personal information unless there is a court order.

2) Time and money to chase people down. Lawyer fees cost quite a bit. Even if a person goes through small claims court as an alternative to an attorney, that person needs to spend time to understand the process, show up at the court house, and pay filing fees.


3) Paypal's statute of limitations for complaints. Paypal has a limited time period for people to submit a complaint, so they can investigate. Many scams are reported after this statute of limitations has long passed. After this expiration, Paypal has no obligation to investigate.


I'd have to agree with her on this one. Not that free-service servers means you're a scammer, but Geocities just doesn't look professional, period.

Please keep in mind that Geocities does offer low-cost hosting services, without necessarily using a domain name. (Paid Geocities hosting does not have ads though, and you can pay extra for a domain name.)

Sometimes, it is not as simple as it seems.

halafax
01-12-2006, 11:58 AM
Everything on your posts is great info, except the last one about the ebay user. They have one negative feed back and one neutral. Their overall rating is very high. Im not saying they arent a scammer, but why just the last two or three items?

AnnAnime
01-12-2006, 04:02 PM
Thanks soo much for adding this info. This shines more light on my investigation. It also helps others too to be aware of those names.


I know exactly who you are talking about. I have a huge collection of costumes from Japanese shops (COSPA, COSMODE, MANDARAKE, etc.), Yahoo Auctions Japan and eBay, and unfortunately dealt with this person more than once. First, as w2kwong, which is still registered with relatively good feedback. I gave neutral feedback because I actually got a pretty good costume, just had to put up with ridiculous BS with shipping. Person showed up as Wai Wai Kwong on Paypal, but item was sent by Gary Lo. Plus it wasn't the same item as in the pictures. Then, as cchan2005 (Carmen Chan), who I tried to get 2 costumes from and showed up on Paypal as Simon Lo. One I never got and the other was delivered from someone named Iris Chan unfinished with missing accessories I paid for. As soon as I left 2 negative feedbacks and asked if they knew who w2kwong was, they were immediately no longer registered on eBay. This person is also responsible for the aweful cosplayaustralia website and has used the e-mail address gm@cosplayaustralia.com among many others that I still have records of. I was seriously considering going after them for fraud at one point.

AnnAnime
01-12-2006, 04:03 PM
Not only is Geocities not very good but they don't give you enough space either in my opinion so you can't put alot on there.

Yumeko
01-13-2006, 01:04 AM
There are many things that hinder attempts at prosecuting scammers.

1) Limited or lack of information on the person. For example, many transactions go through Paypal. Most times, a person sees only a name. Without knowing where the person lives, it is difficult to prosecute. Paypal isn't going to divulge personal information unless there is a court order.

2) Time and money to chase people down. Lawyer fees cost quite a bit. Even if a person goes through small claims court as an alternative to an attorney, that person needs to spend time to understand the process, show up at the court house, and pay filing fees.


3) Paypal's statute of limitations for complaints. Paypal has a limited time period for people to submit a complaint, so they can investigate. Many scams are reported after this statute of limitations has long passed. After this expiration, Paypal has no obligation to investigate.



You have just stated my main three reasons why I do not like Paypal for commission transactions.
I know alot of people don't like it, but I prefer PO Money Orders or AMex Money Orders for the fact that they are secured and my customers will have my mailing addy in the event they are displeased

KnuxieChan
01-13-2006, 01:17 AM
I don't mean to start a flame war or anything.. but here's another member to avoid: http://www.greatideasinc.com/gi-linkpartners03.htm

I did wanna order from her.. but after reading that, I'm glad I didn't.

AoKoneko
01-13-2006, 01:57 AM
Hum good to know thanx ^_^.
Normally when theres an costume i cant make or have someone help me make. I ask a commissioner to do it.
Iv only been ripped off 5 times so far. But I know in my heart not everyone is bad out there. So just cause of an few bad experance I still move on.
I was ripped off by
Elf Eater's Broken Sunglasses. (I won agent them But they are no longer around)
DarkDragonFly aka Wigs by Camatha
LimbBarb. (i wasnt ripped off by them But ahaha it took half an year to get what I ordered.)
Setsuna Kou. I asked her to maken a Ishtar costume for me from Macross 2.& she made it all wrong. & charges WAY to much to begin with.
BlackCerenity

Heres an link of others whom do commissions though
http://www.nyx.net/~wsantoso/cospcomm.html

aww wouldnt it be nice if there were honest people still left?
It just seams to me the cosplay world is starting to really attract some bad people v,v. I wish things would go back to the way it use to be.
Nice friendly happy people. Everyone so willing to help. Costume were simple and no one fought over whoms costume is the best. *sigh*

AnnAnime
01-13-2006, 04:26 AM
Wow that's deep!

I however mostly prefer paypal payments because I have a paypal bussiness card and it works like a credit card but you don't use credit, you use cash. It's great when I have to special order something online because most places only take a credit card.

I know they don't always give addresses but when I usually give my payment info out, I ALWAYS give them my home address as well and if they want my home phone number then that's fine with me.

So paypal is good but always ask for the commissioners Address, Email address and even phone number if you want. I for one have never had any problems with paypal but you know scam artists and theives find ways to rob you no matter what anyways, That's why we just have to be careful.

Southernl3elle
01-13-2006, 06:02 AM
I wonder if anyone has any bad expierences or reviews for this commissioner?

http://stores.ebay.com/Cosplayying

I'm curious 'cause I want to get a costume made from them, so yah...gotta be cautious :\

AmazonMandy
01-13-2006, 08:15 AM
I wonder if anyone has any bad expierences or reviews for this commissioner?

http://stores.ebay.com/Cosplayying

I'm curious 'cause I want to get a costume made from them, so yah...gotta be cautious :\
My friend just got a Gundam costume from them, though he hasn't had a chance to wear it to a con. As far as i can tell, they are pretty up front and honest, and fast (a couple of weeks, add on shipping).

The only think i CAN tell you about them is give them EVERY SINGLE MEASUREMENT you can think of them needing, not just the "chest, waist, hips" thing. His collar was a bit tight, and his sleeves were just a TAD long...make sure you just accurately measure yourself ALL OVER and send them the list. They'll be fair to you.

Luna Selene
01-13-2006, 12:41 PM
I'll second the SetsunaKou mention. The first part of a costume I bought from them, about three to four years ago, was well made and of good fabric. Everything else, however, was either off in color, cheap fabric, or just smelled like smoke and had strands of black hair all over it. They insist in trying on every costume they make before they ship it out, too. Although some people say their Sailor Senshi costumes are of decent quality, I think that's about the only thing they make somewhat well. Especially if you have a character with a lot of detail, or metallic trims like belts and the like, don't go to her. Everything she'll make will be out of fabric, even costume accessories and trims that are supposed to be metallic, like belt buckles and the like.

I'd like to add Pegasus Maiden onto here. I commissioned a blazer and school skirt uniform over a year ago from her, and while everything came on time, the fabrics were limp (not suiting material, very wrinkly, and I'd requested sturdy material), the skirt had really small pleats while I requested for either a circle skirt or larger pleats, I could still see interfacing in the lapels when she could have finished it off, and various trims were missing. Not to mention both items were two to three sizes too big, and after trying them on and re-measuring myself, they were the same measurements I'd sent her before. Stuff on her website looks really nice, but the costume I recieved I couldn't even fix, nor could a seamstress when I brought it to someone local. I was really disappointed.

I also have commissioned limebarb back in late August/early September for an agreed due date of November 15th, 2005. I still haven't recieved my costume even though she told me she'd send me pictures last sunday and ship it out on Monday. And as we live in the same city, I don't think it takes this long to ship. :/ She's also ignoring my emails, too.

We should start a thread of commissioners we've had good experiences with! Balance out all of the negativity.

Also, has anyone worked with nugrosjp? Their stuff looks decent, but I've never seen their costumes on anyone or know anyone who's commissioned them. They seem to have decent contact with potential buyers though, but I haven't paid them any money yet so I'm not sure what'll happen if I do. Any feedback would be appreciated.

Eriol
01-13-2006, 04:07 PM
Iv only been ripped off 5 times so far.

"Only" 5 times? That is 5 times too many. That fraud rate is very high. You have had a string of really bad luck.


aww wouldnt it be nice if there were honest people still left?
It just seams to me the cosplay world is starting to really attract some bad people v,v. I wish things would go back to the way it use to be.
Nice friendly happy people. Everyone so willing to help. Costume were simple and no one fought over whoms costume is the best. *sigh*

There are still honest people on the internet. However, the onus is on you to do your "due diligence" on these people. Do not take anybody's word at face value. You want to ask a lot of good questions to see if they are trying to lie to you.

My "Guide for Costume Buyers and Sellers" has ideas about questions you should ask a commissioner:
http://chudahs-corner.com/userdirs/eriol/costume_guide.html


The first part of a costume I bought from them, about three to four years ago, was well made and of good fabric. Everything else, however, was either off in color, cheap fabric, or just smelled like smoke and had strands of black hair all over it. .....Everything she'll make will be out of fabric, even costume accessories and trims that are supposed to be metallic, like belt buckles and the like.
.....
I commissioned a blazer and school skirt uniform over a year ago from her, and while everything came on time, the fabrics were limp (not suiting material, very wrinkly, and I'd requested sturdy material), the skirt had really small pleats while I requested for either a circle skirt or larger pleats, I could still see interfacing in the lapels when she could have finished it off, and various trims were missing.

If you have specific fabric or material preferences in mind in regards to the construction of a costume, you should inform the commissioner upfront. Otherwise, you are giving the commissioner permission to use his or her costuming expertise in determining how your costume is to be made.

This type of project really needs to be a partnership. The client needs to fully express his or her "vision" of the outfit to the commissioner. Likewise, the commissioner should listen to the client in addition to providing his or her expertise on the matter. If the client does not mention any preferences, the commissioner should ask, just so there isn't any surprises later.

AnnAnime
01-13-2006, 04:18 PM
I have never had anyone to commission a costume for me before but the reason I started commissioning costumes wthe as becuase I wanted the super sailor moon costume on Setsuna's site but I couldn't pay $250-$300 for it. Then I found one she made for someone on ebay but sadly I lost the bid and it went for $160. I was soo upset too, but then I decided to make my own. (pictures in my member gallery) Which made me much happier and I loved making it and I figured since I had been sewing since I was young and it was my hobby and since I loved Anime I figured "What a wonderful combination!!"

So that's when I started.

AnnAnime
01-14-2006, 03:43 AM
Just so everyone knows,,,, here is Setsuna Kuo's site this way Everyone will know who you're talking about http://www.setsunakou.com/costume/costume.html

larry_santello
01-14-2006, 08:40 PM
Here's a very common "trick" that one of the aforementioned costume manufacturers frequently uses...

If a costume has been rushed, and shows many such mistakes as puckering, uneven stitches, inaccurate colors, inappropriate materials, ineven cut or general sloppyness, they might ship it so it arrives only days before the scheduled event that it was planned for. They say that they will gladly make corrections and alterations, as requested by a customer, but if there are only 5 days until the convention, many customers won't have the time to do so.

It is ESSENTIAL to be firm with a costume maker, and press them for a date. You don't have to be overbearing, but you have to let them know that you are taking the contract between you and them very seriously. Let them know that you will not accept a breach of that contract. If they know you're game, a commissioner may be less inclined to play dirty cards.

If the designer has a tendency to "disappear" during questionable periods of time, it should be an indicator that you need to find a new commission service. Isn't it odd that certain designers suddenly lose their email and internet access every time several customer deadlines approach, or are missed, but during that exact same time they are able to post photos of their own personal projects on the cosplay.com gallery (http://images.cosplay.com/gallery.php?member=4559&cat=500)?

Buyers, PLEASE beware! There are many conscientious skilled costume commission services available, which are still affordable. Be sure to shop around, ask questions, and read reviews before spending your hard earned money. Support the good costume makers, and let the questionable ones fade out.

AnnAnime
01-14-2006, 08:56 PM
Yeah all the bad commissioners give good commissioners like me a bad name and I hate that!!! It makes people afraid to get commissions.

animeroxmysox13
01-14-2006, 09:08 PM
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZqqcosplay_comQQhtZ-1
has anyone commissioned them before?

Amiya
01-14-2006, 09:21 PM
Yeah all the bad commissioners give good commissioners like me a bad name and I hate that!!! It makes people afraid to get commissions.

Agreed, agreed...

What can't people be honest these days?

kalajessta
01-14-2006, 09:40 PM
Because people would do anything for money these days.

Yumeko
01-15-2006, 01:51 AM
Yeah all the bad commissioners give good commissioners like me a bad name and I hate that!!! It makes people afraid to get commissions.

I have to agree there, when I stopped for a year for school, it was hard to restart becuase of all the scammers. But it is also becuase of the dishonest ones I have a general contract (which will be avialable for downloading and printing on my site very shortly)

I even went as far as have my sister who is a law student, look it over to make sure I had no loopholes.

Which also reminds me, for the commissioners, I am doing a pannel at ACen this year, Commissioning 101, if you want to be an additional pannelist, contribute information, etc, Please E-mail me at Yumeko.Sama@Gmail.com Subject Commissioning 101

Southernl3elle
01-15-2006, 09:04 AM
If you have specific fabric or material preferences in mind in regards to the construction of a costume, you should inform the commissioner upfront. Otherwise, you are giving the commissioner permission to use his or her costuming expertise in determining how your costume is to be made.

This type of project really needs to be a partnership. The client needs to fully express his or her "vision" of the outfit to the commissioner. Likewise, the commissioner should listen to the client in addition to providing his or her expertise on the matter. If the client does not mention any preferences, the commissioner should ask, just so there isn't any surprises later.

I always email off TONS of pics with every angle, or make my own doll and send it showing every angle. Then I offer to send the fabric, and I let them know exactly what I want. Sometimes I feel like I'm annoying the person but it's the only way I can get something without surprises :)

AmazonMandy
01-15-2006, 11:45 AM
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZqqcosplay_comQQhtZ-1
has anyone commissioned them before?
They're the only person i've actually bought a cosplay from instead of making it myself...my Utena Otohori fuku. They do nice work, and are really fast. They are polite, just make sure, as i said with the other seller i mentioned, to measure EVERYTHING. The width of your shoulders, the legth of your torso, arms, circumference of arms...i'm not kidding. Bust/waist/hips don't get it. But yes, they're good, honest, quality work. Making your own is really more fun though ^_^

Melanie
01-15-2006, 12:02 PM
One I never got and the other was delivered from someone named Iris Chan unfinished with missing accessories I paid for. As soon as I left 2 negative feedbacks and asked if they knew who w2kwong was, they were immediately no longer registered on eBay. This person is also responsible for the aweful cosplayaustralia website and has used the e-mail address gm@cosplayaustralia.com among many others that I still have records of. I was seriously considering going after them for fraud at one point.

Oh my! I know this person! :eek: She is a regular at a lot of the cons I go to, and she's recently been promoting her work quite a lot. I don't know if there's anything I can do to help you, but please PM me if you'd like me to do some investigating?

Miyabi-
01-17-2006, 11:21 PM
If you can.... get a contract drawn up between you and the commissioner..if they don't have one...you should draw one up with the terms and conditions and ask them if they would agree to it.

Though personally I think any commissioner worth their salt would draw one up that way if either of you tries to scam the other one there's written proof and helloooooo civil court!

I've actually drawn up one in case I ever take commisions that covers things from what I can and can't do to around how much it'll cost ...feel free to look it over and borrow parts of it if you like.

Also if you can think of things that I should add/take out let me know as well!

KnuxieChan
01-18-2006, 03:42 AM
Ooh, that's a good idea. And here's the places commissioners want measurements for.

(Hopfully it'll be downloadable for you guys o.o)

AnnAnime
01-18-2006, 06:09 AM
Thanks for the contract!! I'm going to use it as soon as I can! thanks!

Miyabi-
01-18-2006, 03:35 PM
No problemo! ^_^ Err...just take out Miyabi out of the intro...lmao!

Atasha
01-18-2006, 04:02 PM
http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZqqcosplay_comQQhtZ-1
has anyone commissioned them before?
I commissioned my Edward Elric and a Military Uniform from them. They do great work and get it out fast. :D

Ludger03
01-18-2006, 11:33 PM
thats a pretty sad stories i hear from this evil people/
the only time i ask to buy a costume was the misato from evagelion, who its a member at ebay name by honestchina. she does great work, and the costume came in excellent shape, size and the way i wanted. ^^ so there are good ones, just that be sure to ask lots of questions.

i did like, when exactly can i have the costume made? what type of material you use? any references like help from people, um skill? and so on. not wrong to ask questions but it also limits the choices of choosing a right person, and always when buying stuff from ebay check their feedback. if you happen to notice a negative feedback, it might be best if you avoid them.

AmazonMandy
01-19-2006, 08:05 AM
Are you sure you're not talking about HonestDragonChina? She's no longer a registered member at ebay, which always sets off alarms with me.

Ludger03
01-19-2006, 05:44 PM
Are you sure you're not talking about HonestDragonChina? She's no longer a registered member at ebay, which always sets off alarms with me.

yeah sorry i forgot that part of her name. hehe yes same person im talking. hmm..that does sound abit off... don't know if she still in ebay or not, i won't state facts unless i find her, don;t want to bad mouth someone. last week or was it two weeks i forgot but her name was still there and i was looking through her costumes.

i shall investigate just in case she did left or not.

Ludger03
01-19-2006, 05:53 PM
http://stores.ebay.com/honestdragonchina ok found her. and she still a register ebay member. just that she stop making costume due their is a chinease festival and she be out for 3 weeks, and you can still contact her through email and tell what costume you want. so that concludes she isn;t hiding from noone and she isn't bad.

AmazonMandy
01-19-2006, 10:31 PM
O.o Thats weird...i had her marked to watch the costumes she makes in my Favorites, and less than a week ago they had her flagged for "no longer being registered" and i removed her!

(and i didn't say she was bad, i dont know anything about her buisness...i just thought she dissapeared)...man..everyones all jumping the gun in this thread.

Ludger03
01-19-2006, 11:05 PM
O.o Thats weird...i had her marked to watch the costumes she makes in my Favorites, and less than a week ago they had her flagged for "no longer being registered" and i removed her!

(and i didn't say she was bad, i dont know anything about her buisness...i just thought she dissapeared)...man..everyones all jumping the gun in this thread.


oh no im not going against you im not that type of person. hehe ^^"", just common mistakes and confusement for this happens to me.
that soo weird, must be ebay becuase sometimes it won't show the last purchase i bought until abit later or the next day. so this ebay fault and i respect your thoughts and concern, which is good you can;t never trust anyone if this did happen.

DayDreamerNessa
01-20-2006, 01:55 AM
I would also like to put up limebarb as well.

I had a uniform comissioned from her. I had specific dates; I wanted it a month before the convention so that if it had problems, I could have them fixed in a reasonable time, which she agreed to doing.

I had poor contact throughout the experience. I had sent numerous emails during the period of comissioning. When the month came before the convention I had wanted it for, I received a response a few days after the beginning of the month It wasn't even from Limebarb either! It was from a helper, who was apologizing for her in the email.

When I received said comission on the DAY of the convention, I was sorely pissed, and became even more upset when my dad said I should check out the sailor collar because there were some small stains on them(luckily not noticeable in photo's).

Keep in mind that this was a year and 1/2 ago so things may have changed, though I have a friend who comissioned something from Limebarb as well, and had the same issue of tardiness. Either way, if I could've gone back I would've made it myself =(

+Gogo+
01-20-2006, 09:12 AM
I think the biggest thing with scammers is they know that most people want to get high quality for cheaper and they charge very low prices.

Why? Because they know they can get someone to "commission" from them for a cheaper price. But the people that want to commission don't really think about things - how much materials are, shipping, etc. And most commissioners don't do work for free, so that should set it off right there. If someone wants to sell you a wig and it seems too good to be true (cheap and good), it's probably IS too good to be true.


But then again, you also have these customers that are really rude and what have you, but that's another thread entirely. :/

Eriol
01-20-2006, 10:48 AM
I think the biggest thing with scammers is they know that most people want to get high quality for cheaper and they charge very low prices.

That is one way scammers can fish for victims. They also probably use Paypal to carry out their schemes. All they need to do is stall for more than X days (I think it was 45 days) and Paypal is not obligated to invesitgate fraud.

Paypal is both a boon and a curse.

It's more important to get a mailing address, and then test it before any money changes hands.

+Gogo+
01-20-2006, 12:15 PM
That is one way scammers can fish for victims. They also probably use Paypal to carry out their schemes. All they need to do is stall for more than X days (I think it was 45 days) and Paypal is not obligated to invesitgate fraud.

Paypal is both a boon and a curse.

It's more important to get a mailing address, and then test it before any money changes hands.

That's true, but some people have post office boxes. Like myself. I had to get one to ensure that I would get my mail. >_>

But if you think about it, there's really no way you can safeguard against scammers, unless you use a check. B/c they have to have a bank account and the bank has their information and what have you, but on the commissioner side of things, checks can bounce (I had this happen with me).

And it is one way to fish, because people don't seem to get that cosplay is a hobby. And all hobbies are expensive. Except maybe rock collecting. :/

Ludger03
01-20-2006, 03:04 PM
thats so true. well its best to watch and carefully observe the people who your going to commission, but then again that a problem, many have many accounts to go with so its hard to track this people.

Rain Miko
01-20-2006, 03:33 PM
I think the biggest thing with scammers is they know that most people want to get high quality for cheaper and they charge very low prices.

Why? Because they know they can get someone to "commission" from them for a cheaper price. But the people that want to commission don't really think about things - how much materials are, shipping, etc. And most commissioners don't do work for free, so that should set it off right there. If someone wants to sell you a wig and it seems too good to be true (cheap and good), it's probably IS too good to be true.


But then again, you also have these customers that are really rude and what have you, but that's another thread entirely. :/

SO true! I just had someone want a quote on a wig for InuYasha, and I lost their business because they said they found someone who could do it for $50. Whoever THAT is, I bid them luck. You figure, the cost of an x-long wig, material for ears, and extensions (not include shipping, use of tools, styrofoam head, and wigcap) would already be over that much :/

Eh. Like you said, people want things as cheap as possible.

+Gogo+
01-20-2006, 04:16 PM
SO true! I just had someone want a quote on a wig for InuYasha, and I lost their business because they said they found someone who could do it for $50. Whoever THAT is, I bid them luck. You figure, the cost of an x-long wig, material for ears, and extensions (not include shipping, use of tools, styrofoam head, and wigcap) would already be over that much :/

Eh. Like you said, people want things as cheap as possible.

LOL! A long length wig itself is $55. That person is going to get scammed.

And fur is soo expensive. $25 bucks or so a yard.

I got one for you better than that. I quoted someone $152 for a Sora wig from Kingdom Hearts (it would've been $142, but I charge $10 more for shipping to Canada), and estimated 9 hours of work for the spikes and grafting hair, b/c you can just sew wefts in for spikes...and they were like "Do you really expect to use 9 hours for this wig? Let's cut a deal."

I was so pissed off.

coyoterose
01-20-2006, 05:27 PM
I got one for you better than that. I quoted someone $152 for a Sora wig from Kingdom Hearts (it would've been $142, but I charge $10 more for shipping to Canada), and estimated 9 hours of work for the spikes and grafting hair, b/c you can just sew wefts in for spikes...and they were like "Do you really expect to use 9 hours for this wig? Let's cut a deal."

I was so pissed off.

I call that "The Wal-Mart Effect". People are so accustomed to seeing the cheap, mass-produced in no-wage sweatshops import goods in discount stores that they think everything should be in that same price range. The concept of paying someone a fair wage for their time simply never crosses their mind. :(

It affects anyone who does "artistic" work for money. No one would ever dream of telling an architect or a doctor or a plumber to work for free, but if you're painting a portrait or making a costume you aren't supposed to charge. >_<;

Rain Miko
01-20-2006, 06:16 PM
Exactly. And Gogo, your right. The wig itself WAS over $50.

Oh well. Not my fault if they get a crappy Halloween wig =P But yeah. I LOVE the WalMart effect around here. I frequently get, "Why do you charge so much?" Well dur. It's not like I can just turn to my workers and tell them to spit you out a product, and pay them minimum wage. I'm not a factory, I'm a human.

Besides, I don't charge much at ALL. My quote for the IY wig? $110. Not expensive.

AnnAnime
01-20-2006, 06:31 PM
[QUOTE=Rain Miko]SO true! I just had someone want a quote on a wig for InuYasha, and I lost their business because they said they found someone who could do it for $50. Whoever THAT is, I bid them luck. QUOTE]


Hey that was probably me that offered that, because I want to make a better looking one than the one on my site. Just because I want to do it for cheap does not mean I'm going to scam them.... I am just willing to invest some of my time on the wig so I promote myself better. I do that from time to time.

Same thing goes for costumes too. If there's a costume I want to REALLY make badly then alot of times I give discounts on costumes. Sure I may not make much off of it but I will in the future because people are more likey to get you to do a commission if they can see a picture of a costume they want that we have done before.

I'm sorry that I took your commission, but it's not even a sure thing yet. He's waiting to get his Inuyasha costume first.

Just wanted to make that clear to everyone and to apoligize to you. By the way would this person happen to be Urmasterinuyasha? If so then that was me alright that gave him the offer and I'm sorry if I made you mad, but I only did it for advertisment only. You have to spend money sometimes when you have a bussiness.

AnnAnime
01-20-2006, 06:39 PM
Oh and I forgot to mention that I did that with the Sango costume and the Super Sailor moon costume on my site. I only charged $100 total for each costume simply because I wanted to do Sango's and because I wanted to redo the Super Sailor Moon one. Sure, I didn't make much but in the future I will because I have 2 nice costumes up on my site and people are more likely to get a commission for a costume the commissioner has already done than getting someone to do it that has not done that one yet.


I have lost soo many commissions becuase of that and it sucks!

Ludger03
01-20-2006, 06:57 PM
[QUOTE=Rain Miko]SO true! I just had someone want a quote on a wig for InuYasha, and I lost their business because they said they found someone who could do it for $50. Whoever THAT is, I bid them luck. QUOTE]


Hey that was probably me that offered that, because I want to make a better looking one than the one on my site. Just because I want to do it for cheap does not mean I'm going to scam them.... I am just willing to invest some of my time on the wig so I promote myself better. I do that from time to time.

Same thing goes for costumes too. If there's a costume I want to REALLY make badly then alot of times I give discounts on costumes. Sure I may not make much off of it but I will in the future because people are more likey to get you to do a commission if they can see a picture of a costume they want that we have done before.

I'm sorry that I took your commission, but it's not even a sure thing yet. He's waiting to get his Inuyasha costume first.

Just wanted to make that clear to everyone and to apoligize to you. By the way would this person happen to be Urmasterinuyasha? If so then that was me alright that gave him the offer and I'm sorry if I made you mad, but I only did it for advertisment only. You have to spend money sometimes when you have a bussiness.


thats a nice deal and yes its a good way to advertise stuff if you give out discounts. and no it isn;t a way to scam people. however it goes, cheap or not, people will or will not scam you, so its depends on the seller and its way to function as one.

AnnAnime
01-20-2006, 08:10 PM
Ok I confirmed it with the guy that it was not me that took your commission, Rain Miko. I'm glad I did say what I said though. So you guys would look at that from another pointy of view.

AnnAnime
01-20-2006, 08:15 PM
OK nevermind about that last post. It was me... sorry.

Dokudel
01-20-2006, 09:20 PM
I had someone asked for a quote for Lust costume from FMA. The person wnated the whole outfit. I told them my quote and they go "Ummm I only have $30.00 is that good enough?". Even though I told them my price :/

Feral
01-20-2006, 10:55 PM
I had someone asked for a quote for Lust costume from FMA. The person wnated the whole outfit. I told them my quote and they go "Ummm I only have $30.00 is that good enough?". Even though I told them my price :/

LOL yeah. $5 for supplies, $10 for shipping... 3 hours at minimum wage, and I think I can sew a couple of sheets together, and cut a hole for you to stick your head through. I'll even throw in a swift kick in the ass for free!

Rain Miko
01-20-2006, 10:55 PM
[QUOTE=Rain Miko]SO true! I just had someone want a quote on a wig for InuYasha, and I lost their business because they said they found someone who could do it for $50. Whoever THAT is, I bid them luck. QUOTE]


Hey that was probably me that offered that, because I want to make a better looking one than the one on my site. Just because I want to do it for cheap does not mean I'm going to scam them.... I am just willing to invest some of my time on the wig so I promote myself better. I do that from time to time.

Same thing goes for costumes too. If there's a costume I want to REALLY make badly then alot of times I give discounts on costumes. Sure I may not make much off of it but I will in the future because people are more likey to get you to do a commission if they can see a picture of a costume they want that we have done before.

I'm sorry that I took your commission, but it's not even a sure thing yet. He's waiting to get his Inuyasha costume first.

Just wanted to make that clear to everyone and to apoligize to you. By the way would this person happen to be Urmasterinuyasha? If so then that was me alright that gave him the offer and I'm sorry if I made you mad, but I only did it for advertisment only. You have to spend money sometimes when you have a bussiness.


I don't mind you doing the commission for him. I can't stop you, and I have no intention. It's just that some of us can't exactly invest free time and our own pocket money into costumes for other people (assuming it's a commission, and not a gift). If I did, I'm sure I would go bankrupt. And trust me, I do give low prices. If you figure an x-long wig, 2 extensions, fabric for the ears (2 colors), a styrofoam wighead, t-pins, a wigcap, plus use of tools, and small things like thread, hairspray, and not to mention shipping charges from the people your getting your supplies from, it can add up. And I believe in providing the highest quality I can, I won't do a 'cheap' order for someone, because that isn't how I want my services to be seen.

But hey. Every commissioner has different policies, different ways of doing business, and different prices. Which is why the comminuity is so diverse. And I like it this way :angel:

So, if I offended anyone, I apologise. I was just little upset at the time. So, let's all go back to being happy ^_^

Ludger03
01-20-2006, 11:30 PM
that happy part seems impossible ^^"", but yeah let keep a normal conversation and not shout and scream or i hate you because..>.<

AnnAnime
01-21-2006, 03:10 AM
Oh I'm not mad at anybody and I do depend on this so when I can afford it I invest in what I do. I love everyone so it's all good and no one has any bad beef with me.

Anyways. I totally understand what you're saying. The best part is about investing in my bussiness is I can write it off in taxes as expenses. That is one good thing about it.

Well hope I didn't upset anyone either...

Rain Miko
01-21-2006, 07:04 PM
You didn't upset me. I just wish I had the spare cash to 'invest' into a business. All my spare money goes towards conventions, and my horses (yeah, I'm pickng out ANOTHER on Tuesday). I do, however, pay for my own tools and whatnot. I never charge people for things like hairspray, combs, caulk, fabric (for wefts), pliers, or whatnot.

Unless, of course, they need a tool I don't have. Then I usually charge for a small percent, and I pay for the rest (since I will be using it). This rarely ever happens, since I always end up coming home with more supplies when I go out. Last time, I ended up with 20 1" foam brushes.How could I resist? AC Moore had a 20 for $1 sale *_*

Dokudel
01-23-2006, 06:32 PM
LOL yeah. $5 for supplies, $10 for shipping... 3 hours at minimum wage, and I think I can sew a couple of sheets together, and cut a hole for you to stick your head through. I'll even throw in a swift kick in the ass for free!

LOLOLOL XDD God that was so funny. :B

AnnAnime
01-23-2006, 06:58 PM
ROFL That is funny!!!! There is no way anyone would make a whole outfit for $30.

Zelos_Wilder
01-23-2006, 10:22 PM
$30.00 for a costume? Talk about unreasonable.

Though, I do think I was scammed once before... I paid nearly $200.00 for a commission that turned out to be... in un-ethical terms, a piece of crap.

The sad part is I can't do anything about it. *sigh*

And I only had a job for one month and that's what I spent my earnings on, shitty. But it is my fault for being a complete n00b and not looking into things properly.

AnnAnime
01-24-2006, 03:48 AM
I'm sorry that you got scammed out of all your earnings. That really sucks and I'm sorry it happened.

Yunalicia
01-24-2006, 08:46 AM
Ok so with all these people scammed what would be the best way to advertise yourself as a commissioner so people would know you are legit. Or would at least take a further look into your stuff?

Ludger03
01-24-2006, 12:11 PM
ROFL That is funny!!!! There is no way anyone would make a whole outfit for $30.


hey you offend me, i so happen to make 30 dollar costume J/K

no my simply costume i would of make probably be like 50-70 dollars. maybe more depends on the probs. i can spend less money on fabric but probs blah there goes all the rest.

Eriol
01-24-2006, 04:07 PM
Ok so with all these people scammed what would be the best way to advertise yourself as a commissioner so people would know you are legit. Or would at least take a further look into your stuff?


Factors to increase (but do not necessarily guarantee) your credibility:
1) You should have many pictures of your past works.

2) You should be able to describe your work when asked.

3) Any of your written communications should be follow proper grammar and spelling. Written communications include emails, ads, and website content. Minor spelling errors are generally more tolerated than grammatical errors, but it would still be best to check your spelling.

4) Avoid hosting services that put up ads. Unfortunately, many hosting services are not free if you want to avoid ads.

5) Have clear information about payment schedules, warranties, and contact information. Having a real mailing address and phone helps. If you want to make a real business out of this, you'll want a mailing address and phone that is different from the ones for your residence.

6) Have a contract that you and the client must sign.

7) Ask past clients if you could use them as a reference. If a new potential client asks for references, you will be able to give them. Please note that it is considered unethical to give out somebody's contact information if you didn't get permission beforehand from that person.

8) Develop a reputation for making quality goods and delivering them on time. This will increase the number of happy clients and make it more likely you can get references from them. (See #5)

junko
01-31-2006, 12:27 AM
As far as buying cosplay outfits on ebay...

Just a warning:
Be careful if its from Hong Kong.

Not to say that they're all bad, but there are a ton of sellers that just jack photographs from other cosplay websites and pretend that its their creations... especially from places like COSPA.

It says a lot when their photographs are not consistent.

Say a handful look professional while others are obviously done by an amateur. Also if an auction looks immediately whipped up with vague information... don't trust them.

Finaru_Fantaji
02-16-2006, 10:08 PM
Okay so I'm not sure has anyone purchased anything from honestdragonchina from ebay? and is she reliable to purchase things from. Here is her site http://cgi.ebay.com/D-Gray-man-Linali-Cosplay-Costume-New-3_W0QQitemZ5437494838QQcategoryZ63861QQtcZphotoQQc mdZViewItem

kalajessta
02-16-2006, 11:07 PM
As far as buying cosplay outfits on ebay...

Just a warning:
Be careful if its from Hong Kong.

Not to say that they're all bad, but there are a ton of sellers that just jack photographs from other cosplay websites and pretend that its their creations... especially from places like COSPA.

It says a lot when their photographs are not consistent.

Say a handful look professional while others are obviously done by an amateur. Also if an auction looks immediately whipped up with vague information... don't trust them.

A note to the Hong Kong issue. Customs is holding anything from that area for a while in the post office. I had a kimono that was shipped out on Dec. 16th and I just recieved it this Monday. The dealer said it would only take 15-20 days to deliever and it never came until this week.

AnnAnime
02-17-2006, 01:48 PM
Well that's custom's fault. When shiping to and from other countries things get delayed and also get lost. I sent a package of a Ragnorok game and it was supposed to arrive to the person in only a few days but it was lost in the mail. So it's all custom's fault. Once she mails it off, it's out of her hands and if the customer doesn't pay for Insurence on the item then the person that sold it is not responsible, the mail is.

I'm sorry it took so long though.

+Gogo+
02-17-2006, 04:25 PM
The best way IS with delivery confirmation AND insurance. The post office pretty much told me that insurance isn't trackable. And held a package at their facility for TWO WEEKS (for no reason, this was a domestic package too).

livvylove
02-17-2006, 05:28 PM
When it comes to Hong Kong I guess I had better experiences commissioning from sellers in that region than in the United States.

I got my Chii dress, probably the only thing that could have been better was if the skirt was wonder but I didn't mention it and I measure it wrong so my fault, I still love the dress too btw it's from CocosilverHK, came very fast and high quality.

I commissioned a Chidori school uniform from someone here in the states(since they where not a terrible seller I won't mention their name) but it took about 3 times as long and the outfit didn't fit at all.

I actually want to get a costume from Fanplusfriend on ebay because their work looks amazing.

Ludger03
02-17-2006, 10:19 PM
Okay so I'm not sure has anyone purchased anything from honestdragonchina from ebay? and is she reliable to purchase things from. Here is her site http://cgi.ebay.com/D-Gray-man-Linali-Cosplay-Costume-New-3_W0QQitemZ5437494838QQcategoryZ63861QQtcZphotoQQc mdZViewItem


i have. i bought the misato uniform from her and her works is excellent no problesm with here and came just as she told me. i needed it for oni-con so i bought it and ask if it will come in time before the con, she said it will and came true. the shipping usually is one week or two depends which one you choice and yup.

^^ hope that works and if your still unsure go check her feedbacks at ebay. always check their feedbacks and ask other custumers in case if you still doubt.

Finaru_Fantaji
02-18-2006, 01:59 AM
thanyou very much for answering me question!

kalajessta
02-18-2006, 10:20 AM
Ah, actually, feedbacks always don't count. This guy had perfect feedbacks when I first paid for the item. Then when I checked it several weeks after, he had 9! One including a missing item. Let alone, he didn't even offer insurance or tracking. Which kind of made me mad.

Ludger03
02-18-2006, 03:58 PM
thanyou very much for answering me question!


your welcome.

to kalajessta: thats why i also said to talk with the previous custumers what were their feedback and though about their items they bought. if its all good news then yes or send an email to the seller with questions, proof of work. and contracts are very good in case they failed to do their job

it lowers the chances of getting rob, becuase its always a gamble when it comes to this things. wish people were honest about their work and make others work look awful.

Got Cosplay?
02-26-2006, 04:52 PM
I really think this should be stickied. It's full of useful information :angel:

UrMastrInuYasha
02-27-2006, 10:31 AM
A note to the Hong Kong issue. Customs is holding anything from that area for a while in the post office. I had a kimono that was shipped out on Dec. 16th and I just recieved it this Monday. The dealer said it would only take 15-20 days to deliever and it never came until this week.

I bought a Inu-Yasha light sign off eBay, Around the begining of December, Didn't get hear till just about 1 1/2 week ago. if you could afford it, and are willing to take the risk, I'd ask for rush deliveary.

Dokudel
02-27-2006, 05:28 PM
My boyfriend brought a Naruto costume from one of those Hong Kong sellers. He ordered the rush one and it came in one week. :3

Nikostratos
02-27-2006, 09:26 PM
Just remember, when it comes to customs there really isnt ANYTHING that can be done about how long they hold a package for, I worked for UPS for almost 3 years, and i know from experence how much of a pain customs can be :)

deleriumx
03-15-2006, 11:20 AM
I definitely say stay away from Limebarb. After reading the link someone posted here earlier it sounds like many many people have had issues with her that completely mirror my own. Plain and simple, she doesn't meet deadlines, ignores emails and phone calls and tries to blame the customer when their deadlines aren't met. All these things happened to me and, judging from the link, to many other people as well. The quality of the product was not bad, but it certainly wasn't perfect and hardly worth the trouble she caused to get it, nor the price she charged.

xinababo
03-15-2006, 02:32 PM
So is limebarb.com a scam too sorta? I was about to order from there... T_T

AnnAnime
03-15-2006, 03:56 PM
I personally do not know if she scammed anyone but you shouldn't say that just because the costume is not perfect, that she is not worth going to.

I promise you that ABSOLUTELY no costume Will be as you say "perfect"

THere is ALWAYS going to be some kind of imperfection and to try to be perfect is absolutly impossible because no one is perfect. I hate to have to tell you that but we live in an imperfect world.

There is always going to be an uneven seam or something that's not perfect.
AND to try tp be perfect is not worth the time and effort becuase it will never be perfect.

Also I want to add that commissioners take ANIMATED characters and Actually make their outfits. We're talking about bringing a character that is not real to life. There are no patterns you can buy at the store for these costumes so we have to make the patterns ourselves. You have to pay for the time it takes to make the pattern too along with labour for the costume and along with material costs (this runs $60-$100 depending on materials) then there's expenses.

All of that can add up to alot of money. I actually under charge for my costumes. I say I charge $8-$10 per hour when actually I charge $5-$6 per hour.

So don't expect to get a "perfect" costume because it NEVER going to happen and don't expect to pay $30-$50 for a complete costume. Or even $100 for that matter. If you pay $100 you can expect to get a Cheaply. badly made costume because you get what you pay for.
The quality of the product was not bad, but it certainly wasn't perfect and hardly worth the trouble she caused to get it, nor the price she charged.

deleriumx
03-16-2006, 10:01 AM
that is not the reason i said dont go to her. i said she missed the deadline and tried to blame it on me. that is the reason people should be wary of her.

the fact that obvious details in the costume were missed was just an extra nail in the coffin. And by not perfect, i dont mean an uneven seam or a sleeve that is slightly longer than another. i mean a big design element that was completely left out. A huge design on the back of the costume was simply not there. To me, that is just not being careful in the construction of a customer's garment. I am not a diva cosplayer, but i am sure you know as well as i do that details like this are important to the accuracy of a costume. and people like their costumes to be accurate. The whole reason i got the costume commissioned in the first place was i knew i couldnt do it justice with my own sewing skills. I dont really appreciate being talked down to my someone i dont know telling me "I hate to have to tell you we live in an imperfect world" like i was born yesterday when you dont have all the details of why i say what i say.

Oh and by the way. i spent WAY more than $100, but thanks for assuming thats all i spent. and most people would probably go raise hell if their product was not perfect for the amount of money i paid, but i was so thankful to get the stupid thing finally that i let it go. I just figured it was worthy to note to those who are interested that for all the wait, missed deadline, excuses, finger pointing, etc.. the costume should have been accurate at least. then it might have been worth the trouble.

+Gogo+
03-16-2006, 10:18 AM
I tend to disagree. If someone is paying you to make something that you say you have the skill and expertise to finish on time and as perfect as you can get it, then you should do your very best job to get it as perfect as possible. This is especially true if said amount of payment is in the triple digits.

I make sure my wigs are 99.9% accurate if not 100% accurate. You can get it as perfect as is humanly possible if you go the extra mile (spend time on it, use only high quality materials, have as many references as possible...).

I also thought it was quite rude to go off on this girl who has had a bad experience and trying to make her statement invalid. That's what this thread is here for, right?
I personally do not know if she scammed anyone but you shouldn't say that just because the costume is not perfect, that she is not worth going to.

I promise you that ABSOLUTELY no costume Will be as you say "perfect"

THere is ALWAYS going to be some kind of imperfection and to try to be perfect is absolutly impossible because no one is perfect. I hate to have to tell you that but we live in an imperfect world.

There is always going to be an uneven seam or something that's not perfect.
AND to try tp be perfect is not worth the time and effort becuase it will never be perfect.

Also I want to add that commissioners take ANIMATED characters and Actually make their outfits. We're talking about bringing a character that is not real to life. There are no patterns you can buy at the store for these costumes so we have to make the patterns ourselves. You have to pay for the time it takes to make the pattern too along with labour for the costume and along with material costs (this runs $60-$100 depending on materials) then there's expenses.

All of that can add up to alot of money. I actually under charge for my costumes. I say I charge $8-$10 per hour when actually I charge $5-$6 per hour.

So don't expect to get a "perfect" costume because it NEVER going to happen and don't expect to pay $30-$50 for a complete costume. Or even $100 for that matter. If you pay $100 you can expect to get a Cheaply. badly made costume because you get what you pay for.

dchan
03-16-2006, 10:20 AM
I think you guys are hitting too hard on the free-web host commissioners. When I first started commissioning I had to use a free web host to post stuff in, because I couldn't afford to pay for a yearly domain fee & monthly hosting.

-You can use Free Geocities for Small Business, its even one of the options in their "new account" survey when they ask you what your site is for.

-Just because some sites *offer* pre-made layouts, doesn't mean people only use pre-made layouts.

-Just because people use the same web-host, doesn't mean they're all poor businessmen.

Personally - ads or not, I'd prefer seeing a *real* website over just a cosplay.com account, or a "selling journal" (on livejournal or whatever), anyday.

LOL ^_^ Sorry for the rant, but geocities was my free host in my "learning stage", so we go way back.

Rain Miko
03-16-2006, 05:52 PM
Eh. I use freewebs for now, but I'm really considering registering my own domain. I just started getting into more serious commissions, so we'll see how that goes first. But I like freewebs, they don't have popups, or huge ads, and IMHO, my website looks clean and fair-quality.

And as far as the whole thing of 'perfection' goes, I too agree that nobody can ever make a 'perfect' commission. But you can get REALLY DAMN CLOSE if you put a lot of effort, hard work, and creativity into it. Like AnnAnime said, we're going on interpretation of a (most the time) fictional character. You have to use your imagination and good judgement when bringing it to life. And I think that's what seperated the good commissioners from the bad; their ability to be creative and make it as close to what the character WOULD be if it were real and breathing.

And deleriumx, I also have to agree with what you said. When you hire a commissioner to make you a garment, you are expecting them to at LEAST get the obvious details. And if you found a good commissioner, and comminucated to them exactly what you wanted, then expect the little details to be accurate, too. I've had people give me weird looks for practically molesting supplies in the stores, but I'm one of those detail freaks. I want everything to be as close to perfect as it can be.

So yeah. Now I lost my train of though, and my point, but there's my 1.5 cents.

AnnAnime
03-16-2006, 06:43 PM
Oh I am sooo sorry for sounding rude. That was the last thing I wanted to do.

I'm soo sorry that happened to you. I on the other hand try to make costumes as Detailed as possible and you are very right about the part that a huge part of the desing of the costume is essential and I'm soo sorry, I never meant to seem like I was going off on you.

The reason I posted about a costume never being perfect, is it made me think of this girl I met once at AWA9 and she said her costume had to be ABSOLUTLY PERFECT. There are after all some people out there like this and they expect it to be sooo perfect. I'm not saying you are one of these people, I'm just saying that for people who are like that.

Again I'm very sorry I seemed rude and I'm soo sorry it happened to you.

Some commissioners give the rest of us a bad name and Sometimes the bad ones will try to ruin the good ones.

Ludger03
03-16-2006, 07:31 PM
So is limebarb.com a scam too sorta? I was about to order from there... T_T

from what i read so far and evidence of people i pretty much say she is.

there are people who say they make their costumes perfect and sometimes it isnt true but i belived the best way to make something perfect is to dedicated it much more time which many commisioners sometimes can't do of many orders.
i say if your paying someone lot of money for a good quality costume be sure that sometimes not all the time it will be perfect but i think thats why many go to limebarb thinking she does great costume.

sometimes i need a costume so i tell commisioners if they can make me one piece of a costume and i do the rest. i say my thank you and all when i see the piece done even if it isnt 100 perfect but i know they did their best and further spend there time making it.


to Rain Miko:im one that goes on the detail side but if i can't i will do my best on it ^^

supergeekgirl
03-16-2006, 07:35 PM
I'm not saying that ANY of you are wrong in being angry about these things, but I've gotten some of your complaints before from commissioners.

First, many of them have been struck with the aforementioned "Walmart Syndrome". I DO tell people that I can do a costume for $30-$40 if they want it (I just finished a $40 Tifa... sans wig), but I also explain to them that a costume that cheap is not entirely homemade. Often, it will be put together from thrift store items that I fit to their measurements. They know this, but still they like to complain that a piece didn't have pockets in the EXACT right place. Well, I do warn them before I do it that the costume will not be EXACT unless they want to pay extra for a completely homemade costume. I do the best I can.

I also had one former cosplay.com member complain because she got the costume the DAY OF THE CON. I had finished it two WEEKS before the con, sent her pictures, and requested final payment. She ignored my repeated emails until three days before the con and then told me that she had forgotten that she had to pay the rest. I received her payment via Paypal the next day and spent some of my own money for overnight shipping. After the convention, as is my practice, I requested pictures of her in the costume, and she sent me a rude email to tell me that I almost ruined her first con because I didn't get the costume to her on time. I never heard from her again.

AnnAnime
03-17-2006, 04:34 AM
Awwwe that really sucks and I know Exactly how you feel. I have had a few customers like that too. Not many but a few.

They get what they pay for when paying $30-$40 or $50 for a costume. Materials can cost alot and I understand your method. I thought about doing the same thing too. I may still do it but then I may not.

I have also had a few customers to ignore me and send the last payment at the last minute then complain about when they get the costume.

Sometimes it can be downright hard on us commissioners. The same thing can go for cosplayers too, because the scammers give us a bad reputation.

I'm not saying that ANY of you are wrong in being angry about these things, but I've gotten some of your complaints before from commissioners.

First, many of them have been struck with the aforementioned "Walmart Syndrome". I DO tell people that I can do a costume for $30-$40 if they want it (I just finished a $40 Tifa... sans wig), but I also explain to them that a costume that cheap is not entirely homemade. Often, it will be put together from thrift store items that I fit to their measurements. They know this, but still they like to complain that a piece didn't have pockets in the EXACT right place. Well, I do warn them before I do it that the costume will not be EXACT unless they want to pay extra for a completely homemade costume. I do the best I can.

I also had one former cosplay.com member complain because she got the costume the DAY OF THE CON. I had finished it two WEEKS before the con, sent her pictures, and requested final payment. She ignored my repeated emails until three days before the con and then told me that she had forgotten that she had to pay the rest. I received her payment via Paypal the next day and spent some of my own money for overnight shipping. After the convention, as is my practice, I requested pictures of her in the costume, and she sent me a rude email to tell me that I almost ruined her first con because I didn't get the costume to her on time. I never heard from her again.

Tigress
03-17-2006, 10:42 AM
Honestly at this point in my career I cannot afford paid hosting so I have to rely on free services like Freewebs etc.

Actually, paid hosting with a unique domain name isn't all that expensive nowadays. DotEasy.com hosts mine and my husband's for $18/year. We spend more than that on magazines.

Removes the Devil's Advocate hat.

Mimette
03-17-2006, 12:17 PM
I gotta agree about the hosting thing. Whereas it used to be pricey, my host only costs $3 a month for their lowest package which includes a domain with it. I mean years ago, it was one thing because hosting was considerably more expensive then, but now it is dirt cheap.

Tigress
03-17-2006, 12:45 PM
Well that's custom's fault. When shiping to and from other countries things get delayed and also get lost. I sent a package of a Ragnorok game and it was supposed to arrive to the person in only a few days but it was lost in the mail. So it's all custom's fault. Once she mails it off, it's out of her hands and if the customer doesn't pay for Insurence on the item then the person that sold it is not responsible, the mail is.

I'm sorry it took so long though.

Delivery confirmation and insurance is the way to go as far as USPS is concerned. Half the time, the package isn't really "lost" in the mail. They are outright stolen! The reason is because a post office clerk can open any package s/he wants if s/he "suspects" that it carries illegal or dangerous substances. Then, oops! They have to confiscate it for further investigation or it gets "lost" to hide the fact that s/he ripped open your package.

However, for some reason, insured packages don't get "lost" or "examined" in the mail.

I trust my local post office about as far as I can throw it, so I usually request UPS or FedEx when it's offered and have it delivered to my office. For international orders, DHL is pretty good.

xinababo
03-17-2006, 02:42 PM
Sending out commissions would be easy for me since my mom works at the post office front desk 8)

Ludger03
03-17-2006, 02:46 PM
I'm not saying that ANY of you are wrong in being angry about these things, but I've gotten some of your complaints before from commissioners.

First, many of them have been struck with the aforementioned "Walmart Syndrome". I DO tell people that I can do a costume for $30-$40 if they want it (I just finished a $40 Tifa... sans wig), but I also explain to them that a costume that cheap is not entirely homemade. Often, it will be put together from thrift store items that I fit to their measurements. They know this, but still they like to complain that a piece didn't have pockets in the EXACT right place. Well, I do warn them before I do it that the costume will not be EXACT unless they want to pay extra for a completely homemade costume. I do the best I can.

I also had one former cosplay.com member complain because she got the costume the DAY OF THE CON. I had finished it two WEEKS before the con, sent her pictures, and requested final payment. She ignored my repeated emails until three days before the con and then told me that she had forgotten that she had to pay the rest. I received her payment via Paypal the next day and spent some of my own money for overnight shipping. After the convention, as is my practice, I requested pictures of her in the costume, and she sent me a rude email to tell me that I almost ruined her first con because I didn't get the costume to her on time. I never heard from her again.


ouch thats painful. so sorry to hear that, that was one mean cookie

basically when this comes, its a partnership of the seller aand the buyer. if one fails the other does too making it problems. i only sell hats but thats it and even so sometimes people would want something more then what i can do.
but to the advise for buyers, please be patient, i know lot of people who can;t wait any longer and send countless email making the box full. if you have a good contact with the seller be sure its going good and will reply back. my friend did that to a commisioner once, i told her she should be patient becuase there humans not robots to do this fast.
and also send your money early, it can ruin the payment and date you want your costume done.

Kaeia
03-18-2006, 08:39 PM
idk if this is the same thing but before the classifieds went belly up, i commissioned a sailor mercury tiara from this chick. a month went by and no tiara, then that hurricane hits and she happens to be in louisiana. i feel horrible so i let it go for awhile thinking she might have bigger problems. ok. so six months later i find the email from her about the tiara and she says she feels bad, all that good stuff, she'll have it out by friday. i email her on friday and doublecheck to see if she mailed it out like she said and i get no answer. it's just so frustrating when you commission from a person and they ignore you. i can officially understand what all the people in this thread are talking about.

Ludger03
03-18-2006, 08:44 PM
idk if this is the same thing but before the classifieds went belly up, i commissioned a sailor mercury tiara from this chick. a month went by and no tiara, then that hurricane hits and she happens to be in louisiana. i feel horrible so i let it go for awhile thinking she might have bigger problems. ok. so six months later i find the email from her about the tiara and she says she feels bad, all that good stuff, she'll have it out by friday. i email her on friday and doublecheck to see if she mailed it out like she said and i get no answer. it's just so frustrating when you commission from a person and they ignore you. i can officially understand what all the people in this thread are talking about.


sadly this does come frequent when the seller wont delivered their items in time. and i was in houston when the hurricane past but i did told my costumers in case i couldnt contact them to leave me their telephones and will send their stuff out when the hurricane was going to past.

and i know its frustrationg, one time i had to wait for two months something i order but it was her computer fault and the post office for remodeling their place sending my mail somewhere off but i did get my stuff. so yeah that can happen to

AmazonMandy
03-29-2006, 09:54 PM
How many people have to ask for a thread to be stickied before it is?

I got a new one for you renaissance people: An ebay seller that goes by the name of snookies003, or Snookies Faux Originals. I once got a ren-dress from her on Ebay, though it took its time getting here, it was nice, and i was happy.

Since then she has had a few negative comments about her attitude and whatnot, but i felt she did good work, so i hired her for a commission outside of Ebay. I paid by paypal, she promised it would be to me in 30 days (it wasn't a complicated piece.

After 20 days, i emailed her to see how it was coming along. She said it was complete and would email me pictures the next day so i could see before sending. I waited a week and didn't get anything, so i emailed her asking if maybe my spam filter had blocked it...she said her sister (who supposedly takes her pictures) was ill, and so she just mailed it 2 days ago. I was happy with that, i told her i had seen her work and knew it would be fine without the pics, thanks!

4 days later, still no dress. I email her again asking for the Fed Ex number to follow where it was, and she said she would mail it that day, she had been held up (right there was my big red flag that was just worries before, she SAID it had already been mailed!!). I asked her for the Fed Ex number so i could see where it was when she mailed it...no emails again, so i email her the same email again, and now she said she couldn't understand where the hold up with Fed Ex was, she would trace....so AGAIN i ask for the number, and she gives me one...being sent to California, NOT my package.

On day 44, i filed my claim with Paypal. I felt bad about that, i HATE it having to come to it, but there was flags all over it, and on day 45 i can no longer have any chance of getting my money back if i got stiffed. I emailed her letting her know, telling her i felt bad and if the package arrived in the next 10 days (still PLENTY of time for her to get it to me if it hadn't been mailed yet) i would immediately cancel the claim. She answered with a flaming, livid email on how i had done her wrong by filing that, she was so insulted, how dare i, she would have the package traced and returned to her without delivering it to me (Geezuz PLEASE just admit you never sent it)... i explained to her that i had been burned before, and again, if it came the claim would be cancelled right away. After calming down, she promised to find out what happened and email me. Last time i heard from her...Paypal refunded me.

And now, of all fun things....She's selling my design in her listing on Ebay. If i had gotten the damn thing, i guess i wouldn't care, but the fact that she put it there for MORE money than i had paid her for drives me nuts...i think basically she decided it was worth more than she was charging me, and just that she'd keep the money and sell it for more there. I'm so frikken glad i covered my ass at the last minute.

ANd if thats not enough to get you to shy away from her, the comments people post about her costumes smelling like smoke is NOT a joke...this thing she has on her profile about living next to a smokehouse is lame and insulting to people's intelligence....i KNOW the damn difference between the smell of smoked meat and cigarettes.

So...if you wanted to skim all that and get the short of it...Do youself a favor and shop elsewhere. :mad:

Ludger03
03-30-2006, 12:35 AM
wow thats some story amazon mandy im sorry for what happen to you and you did a good job filing her. she wouldn't return your money after the 45 days and still complain aobut shipping probs.

that is wrong and the nerve of her selling it on ebay,

Mimette
03-30-2006, 01:09 PM
I look at it this way. You had EVERY right to file after even the 30 day mark. She set a deadline that she should keep to. I encourage anybody who orders from me to file for a refund (if they pay through Paypal) if I can't meet their deadline. However that is why I operate with a CONTRACT which I wish more sellers would do. I am glad to hear that it turned out well for you in the end though with you getting your money.

However I am curious. Did she ever even respond to Paypal when they gave her the 10 inquiry period?

AmazonMandy
03-30-2006, 04:03 PM
Well, i wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt since i had dealt with her before, but that was under Ebay contract so i think she felt more pressured to stick to it.

And yes, she responded to the paypal thing because i emailed her apologizing for it, explaining it, and telling her i would cancell as soon as it came...thats when the raging email was returned to me. "Attitude" isn't the word for what she has.

arick86
03-31-2006, 04:39 PM
I Think everything being said here is valid... There are a lot of people who are looking for a way to make a quick and easy buck... They have no consideration for those who wish to make an honest living out of something like this.

I am appreciative of the limebarb comments. I admire their work but I'll make mental note that there are timeline issues.

I do have some issues with the geocities comments. I currently use geocities for my site. The reason is that I've only just begun commissioning. When I become more established as a commissioner and have more requests, I will upgrade to a "professional" site. But I don't think that someone should discriminate against someone based on their choice of webhost.

A person should look at the commissioners skills, past works, and communication abilities. The main thing is to ask the potential commissioner TONS of questions!!! If he or she is legitimate, he or she will not mind answering them, and will have the knowledge to answer them correctly. And that's your first and main reason whether or not to use a commissioner.

Amy the Yu
04-03-2006, 04:48 AM
About Chinese sellers (ie. on eBay): Being born in China and going back on regular visits, there seem to be 2 common types of Chinese eBay sellers who can manage to charge cheaply for their costumes.

Type 1: Is a professional tailor or hires one for the costumes.

Getting custom made clothing in most parts of China is not expensive. The whole "sweatshop" thing extends to almost any kind of labour being dirt cheap compared to most other countries. The quality depends on the skill level of the tailor they use.

Example: I had a gown tailor made from thick silk brocade with silk lining, silk trim, and more silk all around at one of top tailor shops in Beijing 2 years ago and after a 3 day rush charge as well as their master tailor personally taking my measurements and finishing off all the detailing herself (which all had to be done by hand), the total cost...under $50US...of which $20US was the rush fee for needing it within 3 days (and I had to have 2 fittings during the sewing process to ensure a perfect fit). And for those who want to order from Chinese sellers...the tailor made part is why you need to send them every measurement on your body and then some, especially if you don't have the stereotypical Asian height and body shape.

Quality CAN come cheap.

Type 2: Scammers.

Low prices, but after the conversion and considering how much they typically would make (my high school part time jobs that earned me approx $200/month was considerably more money than what most the middle class people would make). $1 for the bid and $80 for the shipping is a handy chunk of change in China.

Safer bet would probably be to buy from sellers that will have the costume made and sent to be received within the 44 day deadline paypal gives ( with the package insured and tracked of course, no point in not pitching out the $5 to do so when you're already spending over $100 for the rest of it), so you have time to file a claim cause if they scam you, it'll be hella fun for them to try to refute the claim.

Asking a random cosplayer for a commission to be made and received in a month and a half might be unreasonable since it's usually a hobby to be worked on during free time in most areas, but professional tailors in China have large work forces that work thru the nights and can easily complete even complex costumes in less than a week or two (think sweatshop with a 24/7 staff). You can and SHOULD expect your costume rather quickly. If they ask for a month and a half to make the costume or longer, I would recommend going to find another seller unless this seller has spectacular feedback up and down the board.

Complaints to legit Chinese sellers are usually quickly resolved, even if they have to absorb a chunk of the cost to keep the customer happy (both me and Heki-chan have experienced this with Chinese sellers who bend over backwards to keep customers happy with little to no arguement to any problems that occur). Complaints to scammers will usually be ignored or replied to with english so horrible that you can't make out what they mean.

Others: There are always acceptions to this, but generally from my experiences on eBay (usually with wigs and other small knick knacks) this is the types you usually come across.

I don't really take commissions, mostly cause my one and only costume commission I took over a year ago turned out a complete disaster because I was called a scammer, a fraud and all that crap even though I offered a full refund including shipping cause the post office lost the package, which was fully insured (plus my local post office is pretty ignorant of the actual CanadaPost policies, so I was able to twist their arms quite easily instead of having to struggle to provide proof that the package actually contained something that was of the value I had insured it for).

I do sell a lot of stuff though, and even with selling unstyled wigs (which are generally pretty set in value) for $25 for a new long blonde wig and $5 for a used short one that I just wanted to get rid of, I found myself getting the following message from an interested buyer:
"I'd like to know if I could get the "Short Wig"(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y17...aquer/Wig2.jpg) with the "Lolita Wig"(http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y17...ig-Blonde4.jpg) for $20.00 canadian?
Sorry for such a low offering, but I'm very low on money and am finding it hard enough to make my costume as it is... So sorry."

Offers are fine and good, but for a pair of wigs that I was asking about $35US shipped (which I think is not bad if not on the inexpensive side for 2 modacrylic wigs), being offered $20cad shipped is not much of an offer ($20cad is approx $16US for those of you who don't do a lot of Canada-USA buying and selling). I declined the offer and explained that the amount she's offering would result in me losing some serious money, plus, one of the wigs was already on hold for someone else. After which I got this reply:
"And sorry for sounding like a begging poor kid, but I'm really not able to spend much on this... My family lives on $800 a month, and that's with 2 kids.(me and brother)
So I don't have any spare change really."

"Wal-mart Effect" indeed...

I know not every family has money to spare, and that not every cosplayer or anime fan is rich, but if you're using a pity story on a seller of that depth, perhaps an expensive hobby like cosplaying really shouldn't be indulged with things like spending money on wigs when I'm pretty sure anyone can find a character or 3 that they can cosplay with whatever hair they already have on their head (or even bald characters).

If you think the price is too high from the start (and I don't mean being cheated out of a large amount of money for a shoddy costume that was inappropriately informed of being much higher quality), don't buy from the seller/commissioner. If you don't have the money, please don't spend it whether it's on a piece of chocolate or on a $200 costume.

And I'm not making excuses for commissioners who don't meet deadlines, but buyers need to allow time for shipping.

I've been lucky in that all the major cosplay pieces I've sold (mostly recently it's been wigs on eBay), the buyers request that it be sent with tracking and insurance, which by default also comes with 4-5 day delivery since XpressPost has been the cheapest service available with both tracking and insurance.

However, with anything else that was of lesser value, buyers will often opt to risk it without insurance and have their packages sent via regular airmail (which I fully understand since I do the same when buying). I'm not the only Canadian to experience this and definitely won't be the last, but CANADAPOST IS RETARDEDLY SLOW!

The delivery estimates provided by the post office is usually approx. 2 weeks for a small package, and that is often not met, especially if the package gets checked at customs. To complain that your package hasn't arrived 1 week after being sent is incredibly unfair and not to mention insanely annoying when you're shipping across the continent and even the ETA isn't met. =/

As for websites, back when I actually bothered to keep one, I used a free hosting site. Not cause I didn't want to pay for a paid site, but because I NEEDED the template.

Even though I have a fair bit of programming under my belt, when asked to do something with HTML, my knowledge extends as far as to know how to <b>bold</b>, <u>underline</u>, <i>italicize</i> and <a href="url">insert a link</a>. That's literally all the html I know, even though 2 years ago, I could have given you a nice neat list of the many colours I knew hexdecimals for...

Eleryth
04-03-2006, 11:49 AM
Wow, SUPER informative, Amy_the_yu!

I may just have to ask you one day for contacts of the legit sellers... if you haven't shared them in another thread already.

Michi
04-05-2006, 12:33 PM
How many people have to ask for a thread to be stickied before it is?

Keep in mind the mods can't check every thread, so we don't know about requests that happen within threads themselves. (I always get confused when I see posts going "Please close this!" or "Please move this!" without anyone actually reporting it or contacting a mod...) ^_~ Nobody said anything until your recent post in Site Headquarters. XP

Since you made the request and it seems fitting, I've stickied this.

Pretty_Kitty
04-13-2006, 09:47 AM
Here's one commisioner you don't want to bother with, The White Peacock. She has an ebay store, http://stores.ebay.com/The-White-Peacock.
I ordered a custom pink and black EGL dress from her last year. I told her I wanted a bow in the back and some other changes that wasn't on the original dress. She agreed to do it and have it done by the due date I gaver her which was July 26. Well, the due date came and went and I never recieved the costume. I sent her two emails one asking where my costume was and the second demanding my money back. She replied to the first email saying she'd have the costume done in a week, but didn't reply to the second email. A month after the required due date and 4 unreplied emails later she sent me a custom that was just a pink and black dress with none of the request I made. When I asked for my money back again because I paid for those request she never sent me an email back. This girl is a ripoff. I don't care what her ebay feedback says she's just a ripoff.

Ludger03
04-13-2006, 08:19 PM
Here's one commisioner you don't want to bother with, The White Peacock. She has an ebay store, http://stores.ebay.com/The-White-Peacock.
I ordered a custom pink and black EGL dress from her last year. I told her I wanted a bow in the back and some other changes that wasn't on the original dress. She agreed to do it and have it done by the due date I gaver her which was July 26. Well, the due date came and went and I never recieved the costume. I sent her two emails one asking where my costume was and the second demanding my money back. She replied to the first email saying she'd have the costume done in a week, but didn't reply to the second email. A month after the required due date and 4 unreplied emails later she sent me a custom that was just a pink and black dress with none of the request I made. When I asked for my money back again because I paid for those request she never sent me an email back. This girl is a ripoff. I don't care what her ebay feedback says she's just a ripoff.


really? i was going to order a petticoat since they look nice but thank you for sharing your story. now ill have that in mind so i wont order from her

Vicky
04-14-2006, 04:13 PM
i don't buy anything on eBay because no matter how many times your report Power Sellers, eBay doesn't do shit.

Mimette
04-15-2006, 01:50 AM
That is the EXACT chick who ripped me off on the dresses that I posted pictures of before! If you read through some of her feedback, there are positives that aren't really all that positive. It is about time that people start speaking up about that scammer.

However this seems to be a common trend with her. Did you do your transaction outside of ebay? If so that would confirm what I think about her in that unless she can get "negative feedback" she doesn't care about her customers and looks at them as second class or something to just give trash to.

Here's one commisioner you don't want to bother with, The White Peacock. She has an ebay store, http://stores.ebay.com/The-White-Peacock.
I ordered a custom pink and black EGL dress from her last year. I told her I wanted a bow in the back and some other changes that wasn't on the original dress. She agreed to do it and have it done by the due date I gaver her which was July 26. Well, the due date came and went and I never recieved the costume. I sent her two emails one asking where my costume was and the second demanding my money back. She replied to the first email saying she'd have the costume done in a week, but didn't reply to the second email. A month after the required due date and 4 unreplied emails later she sent me a custom that was just a pink and black dress with none of the request I made. When I asked for my money back again because I paid for those request she never sent me an email back. This girl is a ripoff. I don't care what her ebay feedback says she's just a ripoff.

Pretty_Kitty
04-16-2006, 11:54 AM
Yes I did do my transaction with her outside of ebay, because I wanted the extra stuff added to the dress. On her page it says she takes custom orders if you request it. I paid her through Paypal, but by the time I went through the whole "give me my money back" fiascal the deadline for Paypal claims was up.

I wouldn't say that I'm never buying anything off of eBay since I've only had two bad experience with eBay sellers. This one and one other person which had nothing to do with cosplay. Just have to be a bit more careful and renlentless when asking questions. However, if there was something I could do to get her shut down I would. I was EXTREMELY ticked off with her since she seemed like such a nice person when I first contacted her.

I'm also starting to think that all of her stuff is manufactured. I don't believe she creates this stuff herself. Because when I contacted her about the dress she never asked me for my measurments. Even though I talked about how weird that was to my boyfriend I never thought to just tell her nevermind. That right there should've been a warning sign to me. I know that now.


That is the EXACT chick who ripped me off on the dresses that I posted pictures of before! If you read through some of her feedback, there are positives that aren't really all that positive. It is about time that people start speaking up about that scammer.

However this seems to be a common trend with her. Did you do your transaction outside of ebay? If so that would confirm what I think about her in that unless she can get "negative feedback" she doesn't care about her customers and looks at them as second class or something to just give trash to.

Mimette
04-16-2006, 01:16 PM
I have had the same thought about her stuff being manufactured. For the "quality" of material people say it is she can't be buying it here with such low prices. I have a feeling she is buying the designs cheaply somewhere else and selling them here for profit. As we can see, her "custom" work is a joke at best. (I don't know if you saw the pictures of what she sent me.)

She seems really nice when you first talk to her but heaven forbid you don't worship the ground she walks on for her shoddy business practices. She will claim it is your fault and that she "can't work miracles". Though in my case I would have rather have not wasted my money.

You aren't the only one that would like to see her shut down.

Amy the Yu
04-17-2006, 02:16 AM
Ironically sprouted from cosplay lab where the scammer him/herself messaged me about taking their photo. -_-;;

Gotta love scammers who bust themselves. >_>

"Moose" on cosplay lab.
Cosplay Lab profile linkage:
http://www.cosplaylab.com/cosplayers/detail.asp?memberid=17162
MySpace linkage:
http://www.myspace.com/moose_commissions (just check out the "portfolio" section...a whole lot of wig pictures taken from myself, Heki-chan, Sana-chan, Lainey, many other cosplayers as well as many pictures taken from various sellers' auctions on eBay)

Proof of scam-age:
http://community.livejournal.com/cosplay/1835865.html (I'm much too lazy to change what little html code over, so you'll have to read it there XD )

Arin
04-18-2006, 09:18 PM
I'm actually having something commisioned by Limbarb at the the moment. So far they have been prompt with their e-mail responses and what not. I'll let you all know if things turn out alright

In any case, when it comes to any commisioner you need to make sure to save every e-mail/correspondance sent between you and the commisioner. That helps protect you in case something comes up.

kitsunered
04-19-2006, 12:39 AM
I'd have to agree with her on this one. Not that free-service servers means you're a scammer, but Geocities just doesn't look professional, period.

I had a site on Geocities (my first one, mind you) and they are not the type you'd want to host a professional online commission site with. No offense, but Geocities is for amatures who can't be bothered with designing their own layouts. Geocities comes with preset layouts and a choppy cut and paste interfacing that looks like one made their site with Microsoft Word. (ducks behind chair) Don't flame me, but that's my personal opinion based on my experience with Geocities.

Actually *my* site is hosted on Geocities. I have a domain name and a premium package that I pay for every month. I also freehand script HTML and I create my own graphics. Does my site look amaturish to you?

I'm on Geocities because I like the fact that I don't have to FTP files and spend ages making sure every little thing is layed out and connected absolutely perfectly. Their website creation tool is very easy to use and streamlines the process.

Mimette
04-19-2006, 02:02 PM
I don't think that that was what she was saying when she said about Geocities. You have a domain so you don't have the lovely "geocities" bit in your website url. You have an actual domain so whether you are HOSTED a Geocities is one thing, but I think she meant the people that sign up a Geocities account for free and think that they are going to run a business off of it.

There are TONS of these, which is actually against the Geocities TOS as you aren't supposed to do any type of selling via a free account through them. However your site does look good and as I said, I don't think that this is what she was implying.

Sieneko
04-22-2006, 02:29 AM
Dang... so much non-love for Geocities!

I have a free account... and I do take mild offense to the "OMG hosted free sites suck!" Take a look for yourself. I write my own HTML. There's a HUGE difference between using the Page Builder (for newbs) and File Manager (for more experienced players).
http://geocities.com/sieneko/OrangeLemonade.htm

But I guess I will have to look back at the TOS. Is it still bad to say you have commissions and prints available though? I do most of my real pricing and stuff on my forum... which I also will go back and check the TOS just to make sure I'm not breaking any rules there. I'll be signing up for a real domain name sometime soon so it won't be a problem for long if it is now.

Rain Miko
04-22-2006, 08:28 AM
Sieneko- Yours looks pretty good. With freewebs, I don't write my own html (I can, but I don't feel like it). They have pre-made layouts which look very nice, IMHO. And there's a lot of theem, so the chances that someone has the same as you aren't too big.

Mimette
04-23-2006, 11:02 AM
Dang... so much non-love for Geocities!

I have a free account... and I do take mild offense to the "OMG hosted free sites suck!" Take a look for yourself. I write my own HTML. There's a HUGE difference between using the Page Builder (for newbs) and File Manager (for more experienced players).
http://geocities.com/sieneko/OrangeLemonade.htm

But I guess I will have to look back at the TOS. Is it still bad to say you have commissions and prints available though? I do most of my real pricing and stuff on my forum... which I also will go back and check the TOS just to make sure I'm not breaking any rules there. I'll be signing up for a real domain name sometime soon so it won't be a problem for long if it is now.

Geocities has a bad rep for all the ads that they tend to put on sites... And their Pagebuilder...

However I saved you some time on searching the TOS cause your site is very well designed and I wouldn't want to see it go anywhere.

(q) engage in commercial activities without enrolling in Yahoo-approved affiliate programs. This includes, but is not limited to, the following activities:

* offering for sale any products or services;
* soliciting for advertisers or sponsors;
* conducting raffles or contests that require any type of entry fee;
* displaying a sponsorship banner of any kind, including those that are generated by banner or link exchange services, with the sole exceptions of the GeoGuide Banner Exchange program and the Internet Link Exchange; and
* displaying banners for services that provide cash or cash-equivalent prizes to users in exchange for hyperlinks to their web sites.

It is part of rule number 5 on their TOS. And please nobody think that I am trying to badger this poor girl. I'm not. I only ever learned about this when me and a friend shut down a girl who was trying to sell fansubbed episodes of a series for $100 for a set as well as cds of burned scans from a site that gives them away for free, and then came to MY SITE and spammed my forum about her miserable excuse for a site and illegal sales. However there are a lot of legit sites that could fall under the same rule and I don't want to see them go down because of it.

Sieneko
04-23-2006, 06:04 PM
Hey thanks a bunch for the info! I guess I'll take down any mention of offering commissions or prints. ^_^;; A shame the original domain name I wanted (orangelemonade.com) was taken, I'll have to think up of something else that could go along with my site name. Heh, I sure could use some place to advertise commissions!

Does anyone know if this same thing applies to Deviant Art non-subscribers?

Luna Selene
04-23-2006, 07:17 PM
I have a small story to share with all of you about a terrible commissioner experience.

Back in late 2005, I commissioned a gown from a young woman in Florida, Gabrielle Elaina-English. I found her on eBay (first bad move, I know) under the username elainadesigns selling replica gowns from Titanic, Star Wars, and the like. Her user info seemed very reputable (she apparently worked on a Titanic exhibition where she replicated all of the dresses. And there were multiple published articles about her involvement with that as well as portraying Princess Diana and various Disney princesses, all in costumes she made herself), so I requested one and she gave me a reasonable quote. All through December 2005, and January-February 2006, she sent me pictures in progress of my dress which were clearly not reference pictures so I could see the progress of it.

The last email I recieved was in late February with some more progress pictures of newly dyed fabric, and since then I haven't heard anything despite the fact I've sent about six emails to her asking about the status of my gown, since I was intending to wear it in a couple of weeks. I've heard nothing. She had some issues with ebay and paypal but when I asked if my money was safe, she said I was fine and she was working on my gown.

Fast forward to two weeks ago, when I got so fed up with email that I finally found her on myspace. I friended her and asked politely how she was and what happened to my dress. The first message was recieved and read, but the others were only labeled as "sent" and when I tried to send more, they wouldn't go through, indicating that she actually has BLOCKED me, a customer, from contacting her! When she'd given me a 4-6 week completion time for my gown!

I find it difficult to believe that someone with such professional credentials and experience can manage to treat customers this way. I know she works with professional ballet companies and these other organizations, but that doesn't mean that when she takes commissions from individual customers (like she did with me. She was more than happy to make my dress!) that she should ignore them!

So now I'm out $400 and am not able to contact her, which is really upsetting.

My last resort is perhaps calling her, but I don't have phone books for St. Petersburg and Gainesville, Florida, where she apparently lives. If any cosplay.com users live in those areas and have phone books for them, please don't hesitate to PM me so I might ask you of assistance in finding her number.

And that's my story. Bottom line: Don't order from Gabrielle Elaina-English. She'll just ignore you and take your money.

Dokudel
04-23-2006, 07:32 PM
I believe if you go to www.yellowpages.com you can get someone Phonenumber and etc if you put down there name and zipcode.

Mimette
04-24-2006, 11:37 AM
You can also try switchboard.com which is rather efficient as well.

Aleathia Burns
04-25-2006, 11:09 AM
Hey guys this is my first time coming across this thread and I am thankful for it. I have commsioned a lolita for a friend and I have 2 request to make 2 more and I was upset at how some people rip others off. I keep in contact with my customers at all times and I downloaded the contract and I am gonna mail it to them so that way they can trust me and I can trust them. Thank you again for this thread. I would also like to ask questions and I did'nt read the rest of the thread but 3 pages so if I ask a coupleof questions that has already been ask please forgive me.


1. Has anyone ordered from this site www.animeamazone.com cuz I am ordering a corwn from this site. I am gonna send in a payment this month but first I want to see if I can get feedback.

2. Has anyone ordered form this site www.deviouswigs.com cuz I am gonna send in my down payment as well but I need feedback too.


If anyone can help me thanks.

Rain Miko
04-26-2006, 10:10 PM
DeviousWigs seems a little overpriced. They carry some of the same EXACT ones that Cosworx offers, but they seem to charge $10-$20 more o-0

Aleathia Burns
04-27-2006, 11:26 AM
DeviousWigs seems a little overpriced. They carry some of the same EXACT ones that Cosworx offers, but they seem to charge $10-$20 more o-0
The thing is I am getting a wig commsioned for a cosplay and they charged me 175.00 and since I can't buy this style from other sites ( Oh god I wish I could!!!) I have to get it made. Now 175 aint bad for my budget cuz I was thinking it was gonna be 275 at first.

coyoterose
04-29-2006, 06:59 PM
This is mostly for Luna Selene, but it is relevant for anyone who has been a victim of internet fraud.

Any time you are scammed online, you should report it to The Internet Crime Complaint Center at http://www.ic3.gov/ Fraud that crosses state lines or involves the postal service is a federal offense. Even if you've managed to get your money back through a third party like Paypal, you should still report the attempted fraud.

In cases where you know the alleged scammer's real name and address, you should also contact the police department in their city to file a complaint. The officers should be able to advise you if other agencies like the local sherrif or FBI branch should be notified as well. It doesn't hurt to get in touch with the police in your city too so that the two offices can work together. There's no guarantee that an investigation will take place, but while a potential scammer may blithley ignore the victim, they are unlikely to ignore contact from the law. I have seen some amazing things happen when the FBI came knocking. ;)

Google is a very good tool for finding phone numbers of local law enforcement agencies and the following page has some tips as well: http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/cybercrime/reporting.htm

Good luck!

Mimette
04-30-2006, 11:04 AM
Unfortunately there are so many fraudulent reports sent to the IFCC that very rarely do they ever do anything unless it is in the thousands of dollars.... That is where it hurts.

I find that informing the local police in the city that person lives to be a much better option. However once again, depending on the size of the city, they may do something, or they may just ignore it.

xinababo
05-13-2006, 02:41 PM
Well, I just commissioned a blazer from limebarb and it's Kaname, Chidori's blazer from Full Metal Panic (even without the red bow). I'm giving her about 4 months to work on this one blazer, so I hope she doesn't send it all late. I believe she'll send it earlier than when I need it :P I'll let you guys know if it arrives on time or too late.

arick86
05-15-2006, 12:52 AM
you know what would be really cool... if there was a website or something where people could rate different comissioners based on their experience with them... then like people could go to that site and be like "Oh, Limebarb has a 85% satisfation rate... or has a 4 star rating... but Randomcompanyhere only has at 2 star rating..."and it could be broken down into sub categories like, customer service, quality of costumes, price reasonablilty... etc...

wonders how one would set up such a site...

::::hmmm:::::

Sieneko
05-15-2006, 05:34 AM
Smashing idea, arick! A searchable database full of commissioners and their feedbacks and ratings!

That would take a LOT of work building and maintaining with a lot of people with the know-how to do it, but it is very possible!

Dang... that really is such a good idea. Everyone wouldn't have to go to all these different forums to search for feedback, it'd be there in one convienient place!

I tell ya if I had the time and the know-how, I'd start that site up this very minute. -_-;;;

Northern
05-15-2006, 02:35 PM
What erks me the most is Cosplay.com's commissioning section was taken down because of bad commissioners. As a costume maker and designer, I was very insulted that people would group us all together as scam artists and cheats. I have never given one of my customers less then 150%, hell, when I made a mistake on one of my commissions, I did not ask the client for the rest of the payment, AND I was able to fix the problem.

Also...a warning to my fellow commissioners...I am one of the few canadian commissioners around, and I have found that some of my clients have actually become stalkers! I am very greatfull for thankyou gifts from clients, but no, I will not give you my home phone number and address. Has anyone else had this problem? Has anyone else had to pay over $100 shipping on a thankyou gift as to not be rude to your client?

Mimette
05-16-2006, 08:41 AM
I am more than willing to try to take on a project. Lemme talk to my web coder and see if she has any idea how we could set up such a database with a feedback system that would include a 1-10 rating, a "compliment" and "complaint" box for each transaction, and a list box of what was commissioned. That way people could find out what exactly went right or wrong in a transaction and decide of the feedback was deserved or not.

I have more than enough space and bandwidth to host such a site, but now it is a matter of finding somebody that has the knowhow to code it. I will talk to my coder and see what she can come up with. I'll keep you guys informed if we get it off the ground (most likely).

Also, what would such a site be called? "Costumerratings.com"?
you know what would be really cool... if there was a website or something where people could rate different comissioners based on their experience with them... then like people could go to that site and be like "Oh, Limebarb has a 85% satisfation rate... or has a 4 star rating... but Randomcompanyhere only has at 2 star rating..."and it could be broken down into sub categories like, customer service, quality of costumes, price reasonablilty... etc...

wonders how one would set up such a site...

::::hmmm:::::

arick86
05-17-2006, 12:15 AM
OMG!!! Really Mimette? That would be SO awesome!!! I'm more than willing to help out anyway that I can... but I know jack about html and coding and stuff... and have no idea how to even BEGIN something like it... I'm just more handy with a needle and thread.. than with html and binary code.. lol... but yeah.. something like costumerratings.com or something similar would be good...

but again.. if you need any help or if there's anything i can do.. suggestions or ideas... or what not.. just shoot me a pm...

Because honestly... there are 10 pages to this thread... and not that many costumers mentioned.

Sieneko
05-17-2006, 04:27 AM
Spot-on Mimette!

And maybe have a section devoted on tips of how to keep yourself safe from a scam, too? And maybe even a place where you could update your comment if in fact a comflict was resolved or you had any further input on your specific situation?

I'd like to help out too if I could. I'm always full of ideas for these types of things. ^_^

Mimette
05-17-2006, 02:21 PM
Well I am looking into some of the CGI scripts that my host offers and suprisingly, one of them is "feedback" o_0;

I am going to run a test of the script and some of the others that it offers to see how it works. If it checks out, I will try to get something working on this soon.

I like the idea about ways to avoid getting scammed. I could use some people that have time to write articles for such a thing. Could both of you PM me so that we can work out details?

Also if anybody else is interested in the project, gimme a PM yell and we can figure something out for each of you somewhere. I am definitely going to need some help with this project, so if you have something to offer such as a list of costumers to put on the list to begin with or even articles that would be a great help.

Mimette
05-29-2006, 08:41 PM
Sorry for the double post guys, but I am going to need some cosplay photos to use for the layout of the site. If you wish to contribute, please email me your photo (yes ONLY ONE!) at mimette@mypockybox.com

I will soon have a costumerratings.com email address but for now this one is what it will be. Please choose your best photo and please note that I can't put ALL of them into the layout, so it will be based on a selection basis of what looks "best". And don't worry, your worst costume might be what me and the designer find to be "best", so please submit a photo if you are interested.

And once again, thank you to all of those that have been involved in this project. It is finally starting to take a bit of shape and hopefully we can have a successful site launch very soon.

effembee
05-29-2006, 08:54 PM
What erks me the most is Cosplay.com's commissioning section was taken down because of bad commissioners. As a costume maker and designer, I was very insulted that people would group us all together as scam artists and cheats. I have never given one of my customers less then 150%, hell, when I made a mistake on one of my commissions, I did not ask the client for the rest of the payment, AND I was able to fix the problem.

Also...a warning to my fellow commissioners...I am one of the few canadian commissioners around, and I have found that some of my clients have actually become stalkers! I am very greatfull for thankyou gifts from clients, but no, I will not give you my home phone number and address. Has anyone else had this problem? Has anyone else had to pay over $100 shipping on a thankyou gift as to not be rude to your client?
Oh my god, I couldn't agree more. I seriously felt like commissioners in general were being stereo-typed as scam artists, just because a few idiots couldn't keep themselves together and pull through with the promises of their work and delivery on time. >.> I'm glad you brought this up, because as a cosplayer and commissioner myself, it's really insulting.

Northern
05-29-2006, 10:04 PM
Damn tootin, its hard enough to make these costumes without being called untrustworthy. It is unfair to the decent individuals that actually enjoy their work! I wish there was a way to filter the good comissioners, and the bad...oh wait! The costume raitings website that Mimette is doing will be the best for us costumers, count me in!

AnnAnime
05-31-2006, 08:30 PM
Geez I know how you feel!

seems now that people act so scared of being scammed and sometimes customers bug me bad because they're scared I'll scam them, it's annoying.

Northern
06-01-2006, 10:29 AM
Have any of you guys ever been stalked by your clients? Talk about annoying, Ive said it once and Ill say it again, just because I made a costume for you doesnt mean I want to live with you, please people, dont stalk and harass the comissioners! help, lol.

mohee311
06-01-2006, 02:56 PM
I'd just like to say here here on that. E-mailing every other day can be some what bothersome. Breath a moment.-_-

Misarylane
06-02-2006, 10:08 AM
I would just like to say that I take commissions and I have people colplain about how they can't trust me for certain things:

My site is free
My pictures are some times blury
My personality

and I really take that in offence, but for the ones thta accept my work and like it, that makes me happy. I'm 16 so I can't have a debit card yet to get a better website, but whatever. For the beginning of this forum I would like to say SHAME to the bad lady. Bad cosplayers should go to MOCKSHEMEL!!!

animeroxmysox13
06-02-2006, 02:58 PM
i got scammed outta 20$ by gambit_rogue84 off here (not a user anymore,i guess she deactivated her account) T.T but it was only 20 so i'm not going to cry about it...but it pisses me off a little bit >_>

Northern
06-02-2006, 05:08 PM
Woah...gambit_rogue scammed you....I never thought she was one of the bad ones. What is the world coming to these days?! *cries*

Rain Miko
06-02-2006, 06:18 PM
i got scammed outta 20$ by gambit_rogue84 off here (not a user anymore,i guess she deactivated her account) T.T but it was only 20 so i'm not going to cry about it...but it pisses me off a little bit >_>

That shocks me as well, because I've had only positive experiances with her.

animeroxmysox13
06-02-2006, 09:33 PM
i know T.T but what is done is done ... i'm over it ... tis a little sad tho

AshleyV
06-02-2006, 11:58 PM
I know the feeling. I never did recieve the items that were promised as a trade for my Songstress Yuna costume (which I did see her trying to sell and pass of as her own later).

animeroxmysox13
06-03-2006, 12:11 AM
awe i'm sorry.. scamming sucks!

ashleyohtori
06-03-2006, 01:06 AM
What I'm worried about is the e-bay seller honestdragonchina.

Its not so honest when you rip off pictures from professional websites and market them as your own.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Gothic-Lolita-Cosplay-Costume-All-Colors-Custom-made_W0QQitemZ9326250468QQihZ006QQcategoryZ63861QQ tcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Gothic-Lolita-Dress-Cosplay-Costume-BWS6-Custom-Made_W0QQitemZ9326587019QQihZ006QQcategoryZ53158QQ tcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Gothic-Lolita-Cosplay-Costume-All-colors-Costom-Made_W0QQitemZ9326587030QQihZ006QQcategoryZ53158QQ tcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Gothic-Lolita-Home-Maid-Sissy-Dress-Cosplay-costume-BS1_W0QQitemZ9326587065QQihZ006QQcategoryZ53158QQt cZphotoQQcmdZViewItem


Hmmm...I wonder where they got these pictures? Maybe a website that is called Mary Magdalene? (http://marymagdalene.jp/)

How is it that they have the same backgrounds and mannequins as the original website???

For the gold background...that was last season's designs, but if you look in honestdragonchina's other auctions for gothic lolita dresses, many pictures of these dresses are from this Mary Magdelene's new season's designs seen on the website itself.

Mary Magdelene always, like every professional lolita house always provides close ups of the quality of work and their features on the dress. In some auctions, honestdragonchina has taken these close ups as their own without any real proof of the product you might get because they did not make the dress.

I would watch out.

UviB
06-03-2006, 04:14 AM
Ok, I have a small problem... I ordered a commision from SuderleyCreations (her ebay is all over the place I found out afterwards) she seemed nice, and willing to do the costume for me for 135$... so I said I needed it by April 2006, and I emailed her, and emailed her, and she told me (Jan 29, 2006) that she was going to start on it soon....

and she hasn't said a word since... I paid 70$ up front because at the time I wasn't so sure about commisioning (this was my first... and last time) and she agreed. Her livejournal has shut down, she hasn't responded at all to the email's I have sent.

so yeah, don't buy from her.

AmazonMandy
06-03-2006, 08:54 AM
Akk..fifi, i hope it works out....

ashleyohtori, there was a whole thread running about that seller. She seems to deliver product, though made cheaper than the pics she steals (i love how she puts her logo on stolen pics). Alot of us here emailed her AND ebay about it (as she also uses pics from here), and she hasn't stopped, and ebay pretty much said "too bad, thanks for your money!". So its pretty much a gamble with what you see vs. what you get T.T

Misarylane
06-03-2006, 12:33 PM
Akk..fifi, i hope it works out....

ashleyohtori, there was a whole thread running about that seller. She seems to deliver product, though made cheaper than the pics she steals (i love how she puts her logo on stolen pics). Alot of us here emailed her AND ebay about it (as she also uses pics from here), and she hasn't stopped, and ebay pretty much said "too bad, thanks for your money!". So its pretty much a gamble with what you see vs. what you get T.T


that would really suck, it takes months for me to save up money for costumes so i would kill some one if they did that to me.

Misarylane
06-03-2006, 01:10 PM
What I'm worried about is the e-bay seller honestdragonchina.

Its not so honest when you rip off pictures from professional websites and market them as your own.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Gothic-Lolita-Cosplay-Costume-All-Colors-Custom-made_W0QQitemZ9326250468QQihZ006QQcategoryZ63861QQ tcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Gothic-Lolita-Dress-Cosplay-Costume-BWS6-Custom-Made_W0QQitemZ9326587019QQihZ006QQcategoryZ53158QQ tcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Gothic-Lolita-Cosplay-Costume-All-colors-Costom-Made_W0QQitemZ9326587030QQihZ006QQcategoryZ53158QQ tcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.com/Gothic-Lolita-Home-Maid-Sissy-Dress-Cosplay-costume-BS1_W0QQitemZ9326587065QQihZ006QQcategoryZ53158QQt cZphotoQQcmdZViewItem


Hmmm...I wonder where they got these pictures? Maybe a website that is called Mary Magdalene? (http://marymagdalene.jp/)

How is it that they have the same backgrounds and mannequins as the original website???

For the gold background...that was last season's designs, but if you look in honestdragonchina's other auctions for gothic lolita dresses, many pictures of these dresses are from this Mary Magdelene's new season's designs seen on the website itself.

Mary Magdelene always, like every professional lolita house always provides close ups of the quality of work and their features on the dress. In some auctions, honestdragonchina has taken these close ups as their own without any real proof of the product you might get because they did not make the dress.

I would watch out.


it's obvious that shes a fake because her costumes are made differently in each picture.

ashleyohtori
06-03-2006, 02:20 PM
Thanks AmazonMandy and MisaryLane.

I knew that the quality of work was shaky, but I didn't know she had been previously ripping off pictures from other people. These outfits are just the first ones I can clearly reconize that she intentionally ripped people off.

This is just as bad as bootleg DVDs and Cds!

PikminLink
06-03-2006, 03:22 PM
Ok..this isnt about a commissioner but instead a buyer.

Id like everyone to be carefull with 'Moose' or shelly

At first she had a commission myspace up and copied all my text from my commission site, well....heres most of the problems in this journal:
http://community.livejournal.com/cosplaylab_rats/218910.html
but after said all that was her sisters doing.
She emailed me appologizing, but then I told her Id like to talk with her sister in person about this whole deal (since she said it was her who did it) But I never got a reply about that. So maybe she lied about her sister? I dont know.

But anyway she commissioned a few things from me (before the whole scammer problem happened), which we are still working on, and last night I get an email from paypal about a paypal charge back. The money she paid for a sword, she charged back onto her credit card yesterday, With no email notices or nothing. Because of this I will not continue her commission even if she sends the money back I will refund it, I dont want to deal with people who do this kind of thing, and instead I will sell it when we feel like finishing it.

So be carefull with buyers too, not just sellers!

Master__Arucard
06-03-2006, 04:44 PM
Ok..this isnt about a commissioner but instead a buyer.

Id like everyone to be carefull with 'Moose' or shelly

At first she had a commission myspace up and copied all my text from my commission site, well....heres most of the problems in this journal:
http://community.livejournal.com/cosplaylab_rats/218910.html
but after said all that was her sisters doing.
She emailed me appologizing, but then I told her Id like to talk with her sister in person about this whole deal (since she said it was her who did it) But I never got a reply about that. So maybe she lied about her sister? I dont know.

But anyway she commissioned a few things from me (before the whole scammer problem happened), which we are still working on, and last night I get an email from paypal about a paypal charge back. The money she paid for a sword, she charged back onto her credit card yesterday, With no email notices or nothing. Because of this I will not continue her commission even if she sends the money back I will refund it, I dont want to deal with people who do this kind of thing, and instead I will sell it when we feel like finishing it.

So be carefull with buyers too, not just sellers!

Sorry ya got nailed like that, I found out that bout 60% of people who comissions somthing are trying to figure out a way to get their money back, that's one of the reasons i only take checks and money orders; pay pal is way too easy to pull back your money.

But thanks for the warning ^_^

SakuraNeko
06-03-2006, 04:58 PM
Don't hire a girl named Mousy (I know there are many that go by that name but this one will say she made her friend a Kagura Sohma costume). I am that friend and was upset by the amount of time (Four Months) and disappointed by the results. http://pics.livejournal.com/siralanna/gallery/00002pdz I posted pictures of some of the mistakes. Some of the pictures didn't come out well so those are the ones that did.

AnnAnime
06-03-2006, 09:57 PM
ooohhh What did she commission from you pikmin?

I have had problems with customers too but it was never for stealing pictures. Most of the time for me it's people trying to get a free costume or prop.

PikminLink
06-03-2006, 10:34 PM
ooohhh What did she commission from you pikmin?

I have had problems with customers too but it was never for stealing pictures. Most of the time for me it's people trying to get a free costume or prop.


it was a sword from some anime, and she told me to take my time since she doesnt need it for a specific date, but reversed the payment last night, and sent no emails, so i dont know whats going on, but she isnt gonna get a free prop that way. but still. eh oh well. i can probably sell it for more on ebay when finished. LOL

Mimette
06-04-2006, 03:25 PM
I know I am a bit late on this (been super busy) but the honestdragon seller on ebay has had some auctions pulled because of image theft. She ripped off one of my designs once and I caught it and alerted ebay to it and they pulled the auction. When she tried to repost it, ebay pulled it again and I finally sent her a cease and decist notice about it and I never saw it up again. It is because of this that I have never EVER put one of my personal designs on ebay. If she sees it, she will take it, slap her name on it and then try to claim it as her own work when it OBVIOUSLY isn't.

AnnAnime
06-04-2006, 05:34 PM
I know the feeling all too well of cosplayers who try to get a free costume or prop. I have had quite a few incidents where the cosplayer wanted me to send their costume or prop without them paying the rest of what they owe. This really annoyes me.

Anyway when you list the sword can you please PM me the link?


it was a sword from some anime, and she told me to take my time since she doesnt need it for a specific date, but reversed the payment last night, and sent no emails, so i dont know whats going on, but she isnt gonna get a free prop that way. but still. eh oh well. i can probably sell it for more on ebay when finished. LOL

ashleyohtori
06-04-2006, 06:07 PM
I know I am a bit late on this (been super busy) but the honestdragon seller on ebay has had some auctions pulled because of image theft. She ripped off one of my designs once and I caught it and alerted ebay to it and they pulled the auction. When she tried to repost it, ebay pulled it again and I finally sent her a cease and decist notice about it and I never saw it up again. It is because of this that I have never EVER put one of my personal designs on ebay. If she sees it, she will take it, slap her name on it and then try to claim it as her own work when it OBVIOUSLY isn't.

Man, that's horrible. I wouldn't mind if honestdragonchina asked people before they remade designs and GAVE CREDIT to the designs to their repectful owners. But since they don't, that should be some copyright issues...especially from professional stores....???

Mimette
06-04-2006, 09:44 PM
Well that is another problem, this person is actually trying to claim that these designs are their own in some instances when they are obviously not. Unfortunately ebay absolutely refuses to do anything about it because as long as they make their dime in the end they couldn't care less.

AnnAnime
06-05-2006, 06:22 AM
I think what's wrong is stealing someone's picture and claiming they made the costume when they didn't.

As far as Copying a way to make a costume, prop and so on is ot really hurting anything because there are lots of different ways to sew and everyone copies somebody at some point.

Someone started it at somepoint then someone coppied them and so on.

But what is wrong no matter what is someone who steals someone's pictures of a costume and saying that they made it when in fact they didn't.

Another thing I hate is when someone will get a commission done, then claim they made the costume without permission of saying so from the commissioner. I wouldn't mind too much for good reason if they said that as long as they asked me instead of just doing it.

I have never had any problems with someone stealing my pictures but I do run into those few cosplayers that want a cheaply made prop or costume and expect to get something REALLY awesome for little money.

But I always run into people who expect to pay $60 for a full costume.
I did have one girl that wanted a Sailor Mars costume and she agreed on my price but she never sent the money for materials like I told her to, then she emails me asking me if I started the costume yet. How ignorant... I sent her an email in return saying that I'm not going to spend money out of my own pocket to make her costume and that she has to pay the amount I told her to pay for materials before I will begin.

I never heard from her again.

Rain Miko
06-05-2006, 07:17 PM
But I always run into people who expect to pay $60 for a full costume.
I did have one girl that wanted a Sailor Mars costume and she agreed on my price but she never sent the money for materials like I told her to, then she emails me asking me if I started the costume yet. How ignorant... I sent her an email in return saying that I'm not going to spend money out of my own pocket to make her costume and that she has to pay the amount I told her to pay for materials before I will begin.

I never heard from her again.

I've had instances liek that, too. Only this was for a costume accessory. The person IM'ed me with: "Can I see a progress shot?"

I was stunned.

Firstly, they hadn't sent me ANY payment or confirmation that they'd pay me, and secondly, it was NOT a cheap accessory. Then they all of a sudden think I'll pay for it (so that they can run away after I ship it).

MistyKat
06-05-2006, 07:18 PM
But anyway she commissioned a few things from me (before the whole scammer problem happened), which we are still working on, and last night I get an email from paypal about a paypal charge back. The money she paid for a sword, she charged back onto her credit card yesterday, With no email notices or nothing. Because of this I will not continue her commission even if she sends the money back I will refund it, I dont want to deal with people who do this kind of thing, and instead I will sell it when we feel like finishing it.

That's actually sad. It seems that the wonderful Moose also pulled this on Katie Bair:

http://www.pettingzoowigs.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=501

Sigh. I just started taking wig commissions, and things have been going great... but it's no wonder that a few people have seemed mildly surprised when I sent them completed photos of the wigs... on time. >.>

PikminLink
06-06-2006, 01:59 PM
Ok..this isnt about a commissioner but instead a buyer.

Id like everyone to be carefull with 'Moose' or shelly

At first she had a commission myspace up and copied all my text from my commission site, well....heres most of the problems in this journal:
http://community.livejournal.com/cosplaylab_rats/218910.html
but after said all that was her sisters doing.
She emailed me appologizing, but then I told her Id like to talk with her sister in person about this whole deal (since she said it was her who did it) But I never got a reply about that. So maybe she lied about her sister? I dont know.

But anyway she commissioned a few things from me (before the whole scammer problem happened), which we are still working on, and last night I get an email from paypal about a paypal charge back. The money she paid for a sword, she charged back onto her credit card yesterday, With no email notices or nothing. Because of this I will not continue her commission even if she sends the money back I will refund it, I dont want to deal with people who do this kind of thing, and instead I will sell it when we feel like finishing it.

So be carefull with buyers too, not just sellers!


Ok. to add to this. I dont know what the buyer was thinking but she wrote me an email asking me if the item is done, because she needs it this month, even after she charged the money back to her credit card.
So commissioners beware

Scrapped Neko
06-06-2006, 02:23 PM
I know I am a bit late on this (been super busy) but the honestdragon seller on ebay has had some auctions pulled because of image theft. She ripped off one of my designs once and I caught it and alerted ebay to it and they pulled the auction. When she tried to repost it, ebay pulled it again and I finally sent her a cease and decist notice about it and I never saw it up again. It is because of this that I have never EVER put one of my personal designs on ebay. If she sees it, she will take it, slap her name on it and then try to claim it as her own work when it OBVIOUSLY isn't.
Just wanted to thank you for posting that. I've been wondering about that HonestDragon seller for a bit now. I was even considering bidding on one of her auctions. I had reservations about her, so I resisted the urge. I'm glad I did now. I had a feeling there was something off…the way I see it, if someone has to announce they're honest in their name, then they're probably trying to hide something.

AnnAnime
06-06-2006, 06:21 PM
What I would do is keep the item they commissioned and then sell it to someone else because that is just rude!

I had a guy to commission a prop from me and he wanted a cheap but good prop and only wanted to spend like $50 on it. Well I said how about $55 and so he agreed and paid me like $27.50 for it and so I made it at the last minute because I had soo many other commissions to fill and I would have gotten it there on time but he IMs me the day I get it done and is Very rude to me. He called me names and I was telling him that if I mailed it Express that it would get there in time but no He starts calling me woman and says that the mail doesn't get there until 3:00pm. I tried to explain to him that UPS is different than USPS. Then he gets all frustrated with me telling him this that he just says to mail it and Sends out a "Item Not Recieved" Dispute on paypal. He only paid me $27.50 (or something like that) and never even paid the rest.

Then the next day before I set out to mail it off he IM's me and Curses me out. I would have mailed it out Express but he was soo rude to me that I mailed it for what he paid for because I made no money off of it and I actually lost money.

I have this prop up on my site too and underneath I explain that it's what you will get for paying really cheap. I also have the materials to make a really nice one so people can see the differences of what they'll get for paying cheap and for paying the money to have a nice one.

This really gets on my nerves!

I'm sorry I just had to bring that up in case any other commissioner has this problem.

UviB
06-07-2006, 05:45 AM
Ok. to add to this. I dont know what the buyer was thinking but she wrote me an email asking me if the item is done, because she needs it this month, even after she charged the money back to her credit card.
So commissioners beware


She has done the same thing to Katie Bair (Moose is now the first person to go up on Katie's Wall of Shame) http://www.pettingzoowigs.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=501

ShinWHO
06-08-2006, 12:01 AM
Hey, what do ya know...Honestdragonchina is "having problems with her store".
There is another seller I'm a little more worried about, all_for_you_2006. Some of you may remember him as greand2005. Racked up a bunch of positive feedback, then ripped off 10 to 20 people and disappeared... Until now. Some of his listings have the same exact pictures and horrible descriptions as last year. Same items, different account. He even grabbed pictures of Jan Kurotaki from a Newtype for one of his auctions!
On a brighter note, I settled the dispute that I posted in this thread way back when it started. Iris Chan made up for what happened big time, providing me with an amazing costume. Unfortunately, Gary Lo got away with the money for about 10 peoples' commissions and has not been caught. Beware!

Skullez
06-10-2006, 10:41 AM
oh goodness thats so horrible!!! i know i would cry and just be heart broken if i recieved a costume like that !
Only time i ever take comission. is from friends and family. thats it for me!
I dont trust myself doing someones ealses costume, and afraid they might not like it.
hell, i even mess up on my own! If its mine then i dont care, i have all the time in the world to fix it. but other people, who pay and stuff...grah...

the only thing i do comission mostly is props.
I've done porfessional porps for a number of theatres and such and have had custom orders from theatres all over requestion certing things in my ability to make.
Props I lvoe makeing. but not often...


I know I had a bad experiance once with a few costumes actualy.
Sango- i comissioned a sango costume for 75 $. cheep good, i saw examples and everything, but when i comissioned it, i wanted to see it before it was sent, so if there were problems she can change it at her place.
I never recieved one image. Then upon reciving the costume, it looked great for the most part. but the kimono was only one layer, the apron was poorly done, and the leggings didnt fit me. =e.e=...the rest was alright but i was still disapointed a little. so i let my sister have it.
then also when i wased it,...the pink dye came out!!! so it turned white!!!
so i turned around and made my owne....wasent that hard at all..

lastyear- i made a comission for the kyo costume.
i told the person the day i needed it and the day i would like to have it by and what con it was for and everything.
sad thing was i was gone for 2 months doing an internship. i figured that would be pleanty of time. so i had no way of contact. and i made the order before i left. it was back in april.
5 months pass, and time was up. i needed the costume.
comes to find out the person didnt even have it completed, he clames he was wating for pleats or something to complete it.
i requested a refund and send what he had, id do it myself.
when i recieved it, the only thing made was a jackit and that it! which wasent even made right!!! and i didnt recieve not even half my refund.
I also recieved half assed fabric all cut up and everything and no pleets what so ever, nothing that the cost of the costume was, i recieved.

but i finished the costume in 3 days before the con. and it looked better then what he would of done.

I only Had ONE great comission, and that was from Ari-chan ! =^.^= !
she even refunded me cash because she felt the costume wasent good enough, and i felt it was wounderful. she is the noyl one id comission again. and i have but she is low on time.

so this year, im doing them myself. =@.@= ! ahh.

strawberry_yura
06-11-2006, 01:15 AM
Ahh, I feel somewhat better knowing that there is a thread like this. I'll have to raise my hand too about Setsuna Kou. I wanted some Lolita shoes, and in my haste and excitement I ordered two pairs of shoes from her. She gave me a quote, $65 per pair of shoes (I ordered a black pair and a white pair). She said to give her 6-8 weeks to make them, I gave her $130 for the shoes by money order. I e-mailed her a couple of times inquiring the progress and she would tell me they were coming along great, and they closely resemble the shoes I wanted (one of the shoes I wanted were these: http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i84/strawberry_yura/128832-center.jpg). Later when I got them, they reaked of cigarette smoke, had all kinds weird stains and to top it off looked like clown shoes.

Here are pictures I took of them when I got them:
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i84/strawberry_yura/03_17_06_1335.jpg that's the black pair and
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i84/strawberry_yura/03_17_06_1334.jpg
that's the white pair.

For 6-8 weeks, I could have done better. Looked like she obtained a pair of cheap store bought shoes and quickly stuck patent leather on them. Now the white pair I can see some work went into the seaming, but they still look ridiculous. I can't believe I complimented her costumes (and that's one of the reasons why I didn't ask for my money back... I was ashamed of complimenting her... it's my own fault for not being smarter)

But just to give advice, we as buyers need to be smarter when we purchase from commissioners. My boyfriend even pointed out before I bought them that a person can't possibly MAKE a pair of shoes, unless they are a cobbler ot something, and that's what to expect... I was impatient and poor, wanted some cute shoes for cheap... I could have probably saved up more money and bought the actual pair of shoes for higher quality. And yes, some commissioners are great, but can't necessarily satisfy their customers because maybe their expectations for the costume are different. Just think it through carefully before you buy something.

Northern
06-11-2006, 09:20 AM
I can feel your pain darlin...those dont even look like shoes! Ya know...that is one thing I would never attemp to comission...shoes. Ill do boot/shoe COVERS, but not shoes...I hate shoes with a passion. >.<

rayn
06-11-2006, 09:54 AM
When I got into the cosplay business, I had no idea how many other commissioners were out there, but it isn't really that that bothers me. It's how they give us all a bad name. There should be no need for a thread like this, you know?

I'll be the first to admit, my cosplay business got off to a rocky start. I started with a cheap geocities site because I knew nothing about web design and then there was a big yahoo crash and I lost all my email. I at least made an effort to track down my customers though. I gave three free costumes to make up for the delays and lost information and I've refunded all but one customer whose info I'm still trying to track down. I know that accidents happen, but when it's a regular thing, that just isn't right, and when you make no effort to make up for things going wrong, it's not a mistake anymore

xinababo
06-11-2006, 02:46 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/Azumanga-Daioh-Cosplay-Costume-Hand-Made-Size-M_W0QQitemZ6063679153QQihZ009QQcategoryZ1345QQrdZ1 QQcmdZViewItem

Is it just me...or do those anime pictures at the bottom look like Limebarb's??

http://www.limebarb.com/cosplay/costumegallery.htm

o_O

PrincessYuni
06-11-2006, 04:54 PM
xinababo - not really at all, the detailing is different

AnnAnime
06-11-2006, 06:14 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/Azumanga-Daioh-Cosplay-Costume-Hand-Made-Size-M_W0QQitemZ6063679153QQihZ009QQcategoryZ1345QQrdZ1 QQcmdZViewItem

Is it just me...or do those anime pictures at the bottom look like Limebarb's??

http://www.limebarb.com/cosplay/costumegallery.htm

o_O

It doesn't matter if it is or not because the Anime pictures themselves are copyrighted by the people who made the anime. No one eccept the people that made the anime can claim the pictures. If it was a picture of a made costume then it would be wrong. This is not the case. They can copy how they do the photos all they want because neither of them own the anime.

I could understand if we were talking about a website layout that was stolen without permission.

So basically it doesn't matter when it comes to the Anime pictures, unless it's fanart.

Ambient_Blue
06-12-2006, 02:57 PM
Later when I got them, they reaked of cigarette smoke, had all kinds weird stains and to top it off looked like clown shoes.



Ohmigosh hahahaha! After I read your post and looked at the pictures, I laughed so hard because your comment about 'clown shoes' is dead-on. Wow, if I was you in this situation I think I would have cried upon tearing them out of the shipping box. :lost: That hurts me just looking at it.

It sucks so many people have to get ripped off or jipped in some way, because it forces us all not to trust anyone. Things shouldn't have to be like that, but....

hoshi-p
06-12-2006, 03:42 PM
There is another seller I'm a little more worried about, all_for_you_2006. Some of you may remember him as greand2005. Racked up a bunch of positive feedback, then ripped off 10 to 20 people and disappeared... Until now. Some of his listings have the same exact pictures and horrible descriptions as last year. Same items, different account. He even grabbed pictures of Jan Kurotaki from a Newtype for one of his auctions!

Grr...That's the person who ripped me off. Thank you for your warning!

Mimette
06-12-2006, 06:40 PM
Unfortunately this is what I see a lot out of people who want a "budget costume". They come to me, tell me that my prices are too high, and I send them along to her. It is kinda mean considering that I know what her work is like.... and lets just say.... ugh.... But the fact is her prices are low for a reason. You get what you pay for and those people who scoff at my price are often told to either go to her or to look on ebay. I can't count how many have come back to me whining about her "work". They don't bat an eye about paying a higher price for a costume then. And if I can't do it (because of whatever reason) I will usually send them on to another GOOD costumer that will give them a costume at a fair price for the work that goes into it.

I'm sorry that you had to go through this, but maybe, just MAYBE the word will continue to get out about that woman's "work" and she will eventually lose enough business to stop all together, but until that day, we will still get the random horror story here that will make us all weep for you.
Ahh, I feel somewhat better knowing that there is a thread like this. I'll have to raise my hand too about Setsuna Kou. I wanted some Lolita shoes, and in my haste and excitement I ordered two pairs of shoes from her. She gave me a quote, $65 per pair of shoes (I ordered a black pair and a white pair). She said to give her 6-8 weeks to make them, I gave her $130 for the shoes by money order. I e-mailed her a couple of times inquiring the progress and she would tell me they were coming along great, and they closely resemble the shoes I wanted (one of the shoes I wanted were these: http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i84/strawberry_yura/128832-center.jpg). Later when I got them, they reaked of cigarette smoke, had all kinds weird stains and to top it off looked like clown shoes.

Here are pictures I took of them when I got them:
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i84/strawberry_yura/03_17_06_1335.jpg that's the black pair and
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i84/strawberry_yura/03_17_06_1334.jpg
that's the white pair.

For 6-8 weeks, I could have done better. Looked like she obtained a pair of cheap store bought shoes and quickly stuck patent leather on them. Now the white pair I can see some work went into the seaming, but they still look ridiculous. I can't believe I complimented her costumes (and that's one of the reasons why I didn't ask for my money back... I was ashamed of complimenting her... it's my own fault for not being smarter)

But just to give advice, we as buyers need to be smarter when we purchase from commissioners. My boyfriend even pointed out before I bought them that a person can't possibly MAKE a pair of shoes, unless they are a cobbler ot something, and that's what to expect... I was impatient and poor, wanted some cute shoes for cheap... I could have probably saved up more money and bought the actual pair of shoes for higher quality. And yes, some commissioners are great, but can't necessarily satisfy their customers because maybe their expectations for the costume are different. Just think it through carefully before you buy something.

Yumeko
06-12-2006, 08:55 PM
Unfortunately this is what I see a lot out of people who want a "budget costume". They come to me, tell me that my prices are too high, and I send them along to her. It is kinda mean considering that I know what her work is like.... and lets just say.... ugh.... But the fact is her prices are low for a reason. You get what you pay for and those people who scoff at my price are often told to either go to her or to look on ebay. I can't count how many have come back to me whining about her "work". They don't bat an eye about paying a higher price for a costume then. And if I can't do it (because of whatever reason) I will usually send them on to another GOOD costumer that will give them a costume at a fair price for the work that goes into it.

I'm sorry that you had to go through this, but maybe, just MAYBE the word will continue to get out about that woman's "work" and she will eventually lose enough business to stop all together, but until that day, we will still get the random horror story here that will make us all weep for you.

My boyfriend was greatful he didn't place a commission order with Setsuna Kou when I pointed him the various threads about her "handywork."

As for what you were saying Mimette, I understand completely. I have responded to many a post here and e-mail requesting a quote for a costume and when I do quote them a price they say "oh" or "that's a little steep" and I never ever hear from them again but then I'll find that they post that they got ripped off by another commissioner. I honestly do not weep for them and honestly it is becuase of them I am rather offish about taking commissions.

as the saying goes. "You get what you pay for"

AnnAnime
06-12-2006, 09:23 PM
one thing I do have to say about setsuna is that it's all because of her that I started commissioning costumes. See few years back ( about 4 years ago or more) and I was going to my very first convention. I needed a costume badly so I went looking online for a place that sells anime costumes and found her site. This was before I even knew about commissioners.

So I contacted her about her Super sailor moon costume. It's beautiful I might add but at the time I only made $40/week or less sometimes and I had to spend most of my money on food because the stupid DEFAX only gave me and my mom $10 in food stamps per month to live off off. :hafha:

Anyways she wanted $360 for it. I would have had to do without food for about 2-3 months to afford that. I cried a bit then I went on ebay, and found someone selling one made by her on ebay. I bidded but lost but lost because the price was WAY too high. It went for $250. :bigcry:

Then I cried for two days not knowing what to do. I could afford about $100. Then one day it hit me like a rock. I said Why don't I just make it myself? I had been sewing since I was 4 years old and I had even made myself a few clothes before so I said why not.

So we all went to Joann's and got all the materials I needed. I got just enough. The total was $65 and that also included materials to make my boots. By then I had to rush and make it because the con was only 5 days away. I got it made but missed alot of sleep.

At the con I learned about commissioners by asking around about people's costumes. I thought that was just neat!

So when I got back from the con I started to commissions myself. I learned html and put my costume up on my site and I've been doing commissions ever since.

I do however think that it's wrong to do that with shoes Shoes are not really that hard to do. It seems she used no pattern at all. Even shoes are made by pattern peices. It looks like she sew a bunch of peices of fabric together to make it look close to the shoe in a rush then shipped it out. I do wonder about that lady. I hate to say this but I believe that she has many people working for her. I have heard soo many bad things about her that it's sad.

Sorry that happened to you.

strawberry_yura
06-12-2006, 11:12 PM
Ohmigosh hahahaha! After I read your post and looked at the pictures, I laughed so hard because your comment about 'clown shoes' is dead-on. Wow, if I was you in this situation I think I would have cried upon tearing them out of the shipping box. :lost: That hurts me just looking at it.

It sucks so many people have to get ripped off or jipped in some way, because it forces us all not to trust anyone. Things shouldn't have to be like that, but....

Yes, I did cry as soon as I opened the box and saw them. I had to wait for two hours for my boyfriend to come home so he would console me. He certainly had a good laugh about it. And no offense to commissioners, I know a lot of you work hard, but I just decided no more costume requests for me. I'm not a bad seamstress myself (I don't believe there's ANYONE who can actually MAKE shoes, I'm the stupid one for thinking she could) when it comes to clothing, so I'll just be patient and sew my own stuff. I just don't want to trust anyone after that. I guess she thought she did a good job. I guess commissioners can't satisfy everyone. But come on, those look RIDICULOUS.

And to think I actually complimented her costumes. When I look at them now I see all the flaws. I was just an impatient fool who wanted some cute shoes (and not even for cosplay, they were for actual wear).

I think her sister and her run the site? Maybe the Better Business Bureau can handle something like this? I wonder if she even is licensed? But then again lots of commissioners are unlicensed. I guess there's not much we can do. Has anyone actually responded to her about the horrendous work she's done? I think it's too late for me, as this all happened (and I received the shoes) in January. I'm just really curious as to what she has to say to people who are not satisfied with her work. I'm too embarrassed to reply since I complimented her costumes before I ordered. Stupid stupid me. T_T

Rain Miko
06-12-2006, 11:28 PM
Well, I'm here to warn you about a CLIENT I had. Her nickname is 'Izzy' and she commissioned a bunch of Sailor Moon accessories for me. When I mailed her the contract on April 20th, 2006, she signed it and sent it back with no payment. That's when I could first tell something was up. I didn't hear word from her for about two and a half weeks, so I assumed she pulled out of the commission. I emailed her telling her to not bother sending a payment at that point, because there wouldn't be enough time to finish her order. Well, she emailed me back saying that she had sent the payment that day. I offered to refund it to her once I got it, but she told me to give the order a shot and that she was desperate.

Well, I like to think myself a generally nice person. So I figured, hey, I can do this. I'll just need to work twice as long every day on it. So, I get to work with everything, and tell her I need measurements for some chokers she has me making. She told me she would give me the measurements in a few days, which was fine by me. I never recieved the measurements for one, she gave me the second a week before the deadline, and she gave me the last on the night BEFORE I shipped them out.

Then, there was the conflict with her friends. The two others had all ordered a set of accessories with her order, so they all gave their money to her. Anyway, I began doing the pieces to all three at once. 'Izzy' kept telling me off an on that one set would/would not be needed, so I lost cruicle time working on things that weren't even needed.

Lastly, (one thing that wasn't her fault) the last two pieces being cast out of resin didn't set. I have no clue why these two imparticular wouldn't, I just know that they never fully hardened. So, to finish the order on time, I made the remaining pieces out of sculpey. Even though I packaged them in jewelry boxes, and padded the boxes, the sculpey pieces came off of their respective backings. She proceeded to insult my business over this, and claim to 'warn everyone' about my quality of work.

So yeah, if you can pull anything out of that, it's that this girl is NOT a good person to do business with. She doesn't hold up her end of the contract, so don't bother with her. (And for all who are curious, I am refunding her for the broken pieces, after all the crap she put me through). Oh, and the icing on the cake; she demanded a progress picture from me almost every night. There were some nights I was simply SO busy that I couldn't get one for her, and it made her upset. I eventually had to put a cap on it, because she was being ridiculous.

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AnnAnime
06-13-2006, 07:31 AM
If I was you, I wouldn't give her nothing for just being rude and obnoxuose. Sorry for the spelling.

She can't treat you that way after you being nice to her. Another thing is that she bugged you everynight and wasn't even trying to make it easier on you by simply giving you measurements you needed. It's hard to work on anything without them and just wastes your time. She also seems lazy, a few measurements only take a few seconds to do... not a whole week.

She needs to learn that just because someone like you makes things like this for money does not give her the right to walk all over you and be rude to you.

I wouldn't give her a refund for nothing, even if it is broke... sounds like she just wanted something for nothing to me. Tell her something like " look, I cannot give you a refund because you broke our contract. You did not come through with the proper measurements when I needed them and you were also very rude to me. You also did not send the money with the signed contract as agreed, therefore you broke the contract, so you get no refund."

I think that should be good enough reason not to give her a refund.

Northern
06-13-2006, 09:00 AM
Izzy...sounds so very familier to me, probably the chick that had me start on a $500 costume (this thing was rediculiously large, complicated and had to be made from leather/pleather) and pulled out after I spent time making the pattern and starting the costume...without payment mind you. Stupid, stupid me!.

As for sending a client to a commissioner who you already KNOW is a scamer, just because they cant make your price requirment....there is something wrong there guys. No offense, but it seems rude and underhanded to do something like that to a client. Couldnt you send them to a comissioner that has discounts or try to work in the clients budget? Thats what I, personally, do when a client cant meet my price.

Comeon everyone....some clients just dont have hundreads of dollars to spend, and isnt this all about the heart and fun we have cosplaying? Give clients a break and absolutly DO NOT send them off to scam artists!

Rain Miko
06-13-2006, 04:39 PM
AnnAnime- You have no idea how much I'd love to do that. But I don't want my business being ruined because I didn't refund her for it (she's getting 1/2 refund, btw).

However, if she verbally attacks me again, she wont get ANY refund whatsoever -_-

Yumeko
06-13-2006, 05:31 PM
As for sending a client to a commissioner who you already KNOW is a scamer, just because they cant make your price requirment....there is something wrong there guys. No offense, but it seems rude and underhanded to do something like that to a client. Couldnt you send them to a comissioner that has discounts or try to work in the clients budget? Thats what I, personally, do when a client cant meet my price.

Comeon everyone....some clients just dont have hundreads of dollars to spend, and isnt this all about the heart and fun we have cosplaying? Give clients a break and absolutly DO NOT send them off to scam artists!

I am not going to lie and say that I am not mildly offended by this post becuase I am. No commissioner deserves to have their time/money/resources waisted on an unreliable client.
It's not fair to hard working legitimate commissioners either to waist their time waiting for a person to "decide" weather or not they want your services or are too cheap to pay for them.
I don't mean to sound harsh but either learn to sew or don't bitch when the other commissioner who had prices you liked screws you over. Even though I had been sewing since I was 8 years old, I didn't have a sewing machine of my own and had looked at Cosplay Closet to get a costume commissioned and it was too much so I just made it myself.
As a commissioner, I have never sent a client to another commissioner knowing they would get ripped off. that was their choice to find someone else.

I've had clients:
-send payment a week before the deadline fully expecting to get their costume on time. The day I saw her paypal posted payment I returned it instantly
-STEAL and CLAIM a costume as their own
-Request something, ask for progress pics (which I would send weekly) then one week before it is to be sent say it is the wrong item and demand a refund

And that's just a few things.

Mimette
06-13-2006, 10:22 PM
I am not stating that I have sent clients to "scammers". I merely send them to sites that offer costumes in the price range that they think I should be working at. They can determine for themselves if they want to buy from them. Nobody forces them to buy from them, it is their choice. I don't hold a gun to their head saying "you didn't want to pay MY price so you WILL buy from them". They make that choice on their own. If they want a shoddy costume (and I'm sorry but Setsuna Kou's pictures alone show the level of her "work") after seeing the example photos, then that is their choice. I am not about to waste my time and undercut my wages and work ethics to give them a "budget costume". And frankly, other than people who do lower grade work, I don't know of anybody that does "discounts".

Ambient_Blue
06-14-2006, 12:45 PM
Oh, and the icing on the cake; she demanded a progress picture from me almost every night. There were some nights I was simply SO busy that I couldn't get one for her, and it made her upset


Ah, it's people like this that forced Katie Bair ("the wig lady") to enact a policy stating if you send her more than 2 emails demanding a status check on their wig commission, she'll refund everything automatically and toss the commission. Honestly, I can't blame her a damn bit. How are you supposed to get any work done with people up your butt every other night? If I was a commissioner, I'd have to emulate Katie's policy if only to maintain my sanity.

It's amazing how buyers can be just as bad as the sellers.

Northern
06-14-2006, 01:38 PM
I have seen Miss koi's...interesting...work, and I agree with what you are saying about not wanting to screw yourselves over with an unreliable client, please, i have been there myself...stalkers, marriage proposals and VERY pushy, obnoxious clients can get on any comissioners nerves, All I am saying is that there are comissioners out there that do work at discounted rates for clients that are much better then people like Miss Koi. Truly I did not mean to offend anyone on this board, I was just expressing my concern, really, if people like Miss Koi continue to get comissiones, they will ontinue to give the rest of us bad names, and that, my friends, is what I believe is truly unfair.

Please accept my appology, and understand that I did not mean to upset anyone over my last post, like I said before, costume making and cosplay is supposed to be fun, not stressful. Gomen ne.

AnnAnime
06-14-2006, 05:48 PM
The only time I ever Give discounts is if I REALLY REALLY want to amke a certain costume or promote myself a little.

I agree that it is unfair to us that commissioners like her give us a bad Rep!

I see more and more people now that are sterotypes just because they were scammed by a commissioner, so now they think all of them will.

I hear this saying too often. "I will never get another commission done ever again because of that.

I hate to say this but stereotyping is VERY VERY Wrong!!! I don't care how bad the experience was, it doesn't mean all commissioners are bad. I was abused by 2 boyfreinds but I didn't say " Well I'll never love anyone now because of that." and I found someone that is an awesome guy all because I had an open mind about it.

This is all just really annoying. It's unfair to us when people do that. I even have people say to me "Now I will get this won't I? I won't get scammed?"

I want to just scream in frustration. :mad:

Does anyone else feel this way?

Northern
06-14-2006, 08:17 PM
I feel that way all the time Ann....its very difficult to make a good reputation with bad comissioners making the rest of us look like them!

Whats worse....is when your cat knocks over a vat of fabric paint! Damnit! Now I have to clean that >.<

Ambient_Blue
06-20-2006, 11:41 AM
Speaking of people who like to steal other's photos to sell their costumes...http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/5-Modelle-Cosplay-Design-vom-japanischen-Manga-topsuesse_W0QQitemZ9329481659QQcategoryZ22108QQrdZ 1QQcmdZViewItem

Scroll down and you'll find a photo of Haruka/Lillyxandra's Chii costume used.

You'd think people would have more brains than this...why use the photo of an extremely popular cosplayer to pimp your fake work? This only advertises that you ARE, in fact, a scam. DUH.

AmazonMandy
06-20-2006, 12:30 PM
He's new...and apparently he's both from Asia AND Germany. Most likely he's a scammer, maybe one of our old ones going by a new name?

Misarylane
06-22-2006, 05:39 PM
Speaking of people who like to steal other's photos to sell their costumes...http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/5-Modelle-Cosplay-Design-vom-japanischen-Manga-topsuesse_W0QQitemZ9329481659QQcategoryZ22108QQrdZ 1QQcmdZViewItem

Scroll down and you'll find a photo of Haruka/Lillyxandra's Chii costume used.

You'd think people would have more brains than this...why use the photo of an extremely popular cosplayer to pimp your fake work? This only advertises that you ARE, in fact, a scam. DUH.


he's not smart, every thing on thare says "SCAMMER"


I have to say this...i find myself BEGGING for custumers some times and thats all thanks to scammers, I remember when I use to get a lot of emails from all over and now I'm lucky if I get a "sure you can make it for me" that really bites. Sewing is my life and I love knowing that some one is wharein my costume some where...BUT I REALLY HATE SCAMMERS!!!

Peace and Love

ShinWHO
06-24-2006, 12:46 AM
Generally speaking, I'm pretty amused with some of the stuff that goes on on ebay. But what I saw recently irritates even me. I was one of 2 people to purchase Rei's plugsuit from all_for_you2006 (aka greand2005 last year, awesome costumes if you get them). After waiting for a while and then doing some prodding, I got an impressive costume. The other person left negative feedback, basically saying it was horrible. A few weeks later, the other person listed the costume for a penny under a brand new user name and claimed they had made it themselves! I saw the auction, turned to my left and was looking at EXACTLY the same thing sent by all_for_you2006. Now THAT was low.

AnnAnime
06-24-2006, 06:13 AM
Don't you hate it Even more when you're painting something and then accidently smear some paint on what you're working on?

I really hate it when it happens to me.

I feel that way all the time Ann....its very difficult to make a good reputation with bad comissioners making the rest of us look like them!

Whats worse....is when your cat knocks over a vat of fabric paint! Damnit! Now I have to clean that >.<

Misarylane
06-24-2006, 01:09 PM
Don't you hate it Even more when you're painting something and then accidently smear some paint on what you're working on?

I really hate it when it happens to me.

I have a mouse so I don't have to worry about that, but my old cat Artemis would get really angry at me and rip my stuff up when i wasn't looking...evil kitty.:mad:

Yumeko
06-24-2006, 02:00 PM
I need help
Long story short, a favor I did for a friend while I was on hiatus from commissions the materials were a very very crappy grade from what I would even consider, but her now ex brought them for me to work with.
Anyway after I finally finished the dress, took a while to becuase I was working on it between school and work.

Anyway after her ex picked it up from my place and shipped it to her, I hear nothing cept for three pictures in her gallery...that was over a year ago. Now I am on the verge of opening my costume shop and I find out that she hated the outfit and in fact was telling some of her friends that it was poorly made and I am a horrible seamstress.

What should I do? How should I handle this???????:lost:

Misarylane
06-24-2006, 02:26 PM
You should gently tell her that the materials that you were supplied with were not good enough to make to dress the way she wanted it. (what I would do, I would get other customers to talk about how great you are) And if she still is angry with you than maybe she's just jealous or upset about something else.

When you take a commission you charge for the material price and if they are smart they'll give enough money to make the costume beutifull, if there not they'll be like your friend here and give you crappy stuff. it's really her and her ex's fault, not yours.

Yumeko
06-24-2006, 03:18 PM
You should gently tell her that the materials that you were supplied with were not good enough to make to dress the way she wanted it. (what I would do, I would get other customers to talk about how great you are) And if she still is angry with you than maybe she's just jealous or upset about something else.

When you take a commission you charge for the material price and if they are smart they'll give enough money to make the costume beutifull, if there not they'll be like your friend here and give you crappy stuff. it's really her and her ex's fault, not yours.

I normally do charge for materials and what not, but as I mentioned, I was on hiatus trying to pass reviews so I wasn't taking commissions, but she asked nicely and me being the pushover with friends I said I'd do it. dumb move on my part.

I'm to the point where I'm willing to give a costume to someone just so I can get a good review

Misarylane
06-24-2006, 03:35 PM
same here...I took a costume for 30.00 and I had to spend 20.00 of my own money to make it I hand sewed it and every thing...a week later the girl reply's "why is'nt it longer?" I wanted to smack her so hard...(it was Sango's kimono)

Ludger03
07-02-2006, 02:33 AM
thats sometimes can be a prob. you try to be nice to your sellers and some of this people just nag about stuff.
Then when you make a costume so good and your proud of its work, there always some mistake that people find. oh, they dont think how much work costumes are put into heart. it takes time and patients..

Katse
07-02-2006, 11:38 AM
I've a question about honestdragonchina on eBay.

The seller has a great rating...so the problem is that the seller is stealing photos from other sources and claiming them as their own work? I'd like to negotiate a wholesale deal with the seller for a number of costumes for our local cultural society, and I'm not overly concerned if the costumes aren't EXACTLY as shown--but I don't want to purchase something that's going to look like a dyed flour sack basted together either. What should I do--purchase a cheaper costume first to see what the true quality is, then go for the larger order, or what?

Katse

Ludger03
07-02-2006, 02:05 PM
I've a question about honestdragonchina on eBay.

The seller has a great rating...so the problem is that the seller is stealing photos from other sources and claiming them as their own work? I'd like to negotiate a wholesale deal with the seller for a number of costumes for our local cultural society, and I'm not overly concerned if the costumes aren't EXACTLY as shown--but I don't want to purchase something that's going to look like a dyed flour sack basted together either. What should I do--purchase a cheaper costume first to see what the true quality is, then go for the larger order, or what?

Katse


i have order from her and the costumes are great. she may steal the photos but i did received a good quality costume. it was misato from Evagelion
and it was exactly like the one she had in the photo.

but you can ask anyone else who have order from her and from their experience that can help.
i do know is she does a great job on her costumes.

AnnAnime
07-02-2006, 02:23 PM
Another thing I hate is that some cosplayers do not treat commissioners as human too. We have feelings just as much as they do. For Ex. One guy cursed me out because he didn't think he was going to get his prop in time. The nerve!

I REALLY hate that alot! And some will bug you and even yell at you as if we're nothing.

Koumori
07-02-2006, 02:49 PM
I've a question about honestdragonchina on eBay.


honestdragonchina appears to be a professional sewing workshop in China, or someone who takes orders and sends them out to one; "honestdragonchina" him/herself most likely is not the costume maker. Some of their pictures may be of their own work, some are just of references, and some are simply photos of cosplayers they've "borrowed." Because of that, it's impossible to say *exactly* what your costume will look like. Some people have reported problems with what they've received from them, some have been happy with it. (My guess is that the orders go to different people or workshops, which could account for some of the discrepancy.) The reason their feedback is so good is because there were a number of neutral or negative feedbacks, which have been mutually withdrawn, presumably after the seller made some sort of offer of reparation to the dissatisfied buyer. If it doesn't matter to you that the item look *exactly* as represented (what you see in the photo may or may not have been made by honestdragonchina's people), then you'll probably be okay ordering from them.

Tigress
07-02-2006, 10:39 PM
This "stealing photos" thing bugs me a lot. Why not ask the customers for "action photos" when they receive their costumes? Then they'll have their pictures and it will actually be their own work.

Koumori
07-02-2006, 11:02 PM
This "stealing photos" thing bugs me a lot. Why not ask the customers for "action photos" when they receive their costumes? Then they'll have their pictures and it will actually be their own work.

As far as I can tell, several of the large Asia-based sellers on ebay are not individual costumers, but workshops or people farming their orders out to workshops. In short, they don't particularly care where their reference photos come from as long as the orders keep coming in; they want to represent that they have the ability to make the costume, and they don't see anything wrong with posting photos that aren't "theirs" to represent that. It doesn't necessarily mean that they *can't* make the item, but people buying from them should be aware that there's a good chance they won't be getting the item seen in the photo.

Ludger03
07-03-2006, 05:29 PM
As far as I can tell, several of the large Asia-based sellers on ebay are not individual costumers, but workshops or people farming their orders out to workshops. In short, they don't particularly care where their reference photos come from as long as the orders keep coming in; they want to represent that they have the ability to make the costume, and they don't see anything wrong with posting photos that aren't "theirs" to represent that. It doesn't necessarily mean that they *can't* make the item, but people buying from them should be aware that there's a good chance they won't be getting the item seen in the photo.


your right on that. this people work in sweatshops or have people wprking with them to make the costumes. easier for them instead of someone who does costume all by themselves. ^^""

ShinWHO
07-04-2006, 01:40 AM
Here's what I posted about Honestdragonchina in the Final Fantasy XIII thread when I mentioned she had a costume from Final Fantasy Agito XIII listed:
"Oh, I've purchased from the seller. The costumes are often really good material, but seem to only be adequate representations of the character. For example, the blue Kasumi costume is nice material, but has no symbol on the back. Or the FFXII Fran looks right, but is cleverly made of generically textured material instead of having all the details in the armor or bodice. They are good costumes to use as a base for what you want to make. But I kinda got off topic there..."
The seller is very reliable. You WILL get your costume and it will be sent quickly with excellent communication.

Ludger03
07-04-2006, 04:54 PM
Here's what I posted about Honestdragonchina in the Final Fantasy XIII thread when I mentioned she had a costume from Final Fantasy Agito XIII listed:
"Oh, I've purchased from the seller. The costumes are often really good material, but seem to only be adequate representations of the character. For example, the blue Kasumi costume is nice material, but has no symbol on the back. Or the FFXII Fran looks right, but is cleverly made of generically textured material instead of having all the details in the armor or bodice. They are good costumes to use as a base for what you want to make. But I kinda got off topic there..."
The seller is very reliable. You WILL get your costume and it will be sent quickly with excellent communication.

You didnt go off topic there. your telling what you experience from this person and yes her costumes are more of base like yet. if anyone would want a really like detail one, then you can ask. asking questions is great!

Misarylane
07-05-2006, 12:10 PM
You didnt go off topic there. your telling what you experience from this person and yes her costumes are more of base like yet. if anyone would want a really like detail one, then you can ask. asking questions is great!

you sound like my mom. thats kinda funny.

Ludger03
07-05-2006, 02:19 PM
you sound like my mom. thats kinda funny.


wow im sounds like someone mom. yahooo!!
lolz thats actually a good comment of me since im really one to be serious and quiet.

anyway im do hope noone else gets scam. there like many out there who do this yet there the good seamtresses who are willing to the job done and well.
hmm i might start doing a couple of costume orders, yet i want to be sure i can do it. meanwhile i do make hats ^^ and there really cute.

chibi_sasuke_1
07-11-2006, 09:26 PM
Personally, when it comes to commissioning costumes, it's up to the buyer to provide the correct and accurate information to the seller. For starters, make sure you provide current, accurate measurements. If you really want a costume a certain way, mention those 'tiny details' right up front <like certain fabrics, colors, etc.>. Do the research on your character, provide all views such like the front, back, and side. The more you can provide for the commissioner, the better the product will be to your liking.

When you decide upon a costume, remember that whoever you wish to commission it, your costume is probably not the only one that they will be working on. Give plenty of notice, say a couple of months. This would cut down on any 'rush' jobs. Also, always give the commissioning company a due date that is at least 2-3 weeks prior to the con you wish to attend. That would avoid any problems about not receiving costumes on time.

As for me, I have been buying costumes from SetsunaKou for many years now, and will continue to do so in the future. I am very proud to say that they do a fabulous job each and every time! ^_^ They've always delivered, both fast and on-time. If you have a certain request or want something a certain way, they will do it. Just mention it. They are very friendly, they will communicate with you, and they have reasonable prices.
Come check them out: http://www.setsunakou.com/costume/costume.html

arieku
07-12-2006, 05:55 AM
I was looking at this costume made by honestdragonchina:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Abarenbou-Princess-Gothic-Lolita-Cosplay-costume_W0QQitemZ230003298191QQihZ013QQcategoryZ53 158QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

I have seen the exact same pictures elsewhere, another cosplayer on this site has the costume. She showed me those pictures but without the words HONESTDRAGONCHINA splattered over it. She said she had bought it from a seller in Germany.

Is this seller legit? I wanted to buy it but it seems that she is using other people's pictures and calling them her own, so I'm afraid it won't be as pictured. Has anyone else bought from them? Did the costume turn out to look like what they claim?

Koumori
07-12-2006, 10:22 AM
I was looking at this costume made by honestdragonchina:

Is this seller legit? I wanted to buy it but it seems that she is using other people's pictures and calling them her own, so I'm afraid it won't be as pictured. Has anyone else bought from them? Did the costume turn out to look like what they claim?

Honestdragonchina has been covered extensively in this thread. The short version: the seller is likely either a sewing workshop or someone who sends orders to one, probably is not him/herself the costume-maker, probably is not him/herself a costumer, and may/may not be using photos of costumes made by their people. You will probably get something close to the picture, but it may not match up entirely and may be lacking in detail. If a cheap price is your main concern and you can live without exact accuracy, you'll probably be ok buying from them. If accuracy and quality are more important to you, you'd have a better chance somewhere else.

AnnAnime
07-12-2006, 03:37 PM
I have seen that costume on another Commissioners website... I remember it because of the Swirls on the shoulders. I don't remember what sit it was but if I run accross it, then I'll let you know.

As for customers who get commissions there are two things I REALLY hate!

1. I hate it when I tell people clear as day that when they send a money order for a costume to send a seperate peice of paper with their name, Address, Email address and What they are buying and instead they send just a money order with their name and address on it. :mad:
this REALLY Gets on my nerves!! Do they THINK I know their Address or who they are and what they're buying!? I even Explain that if they do not do as I ask then I will not know who it's from or what it's for. :mad:

2. I hate scam artists because THEY have REALLY made my life HARD!! Now if I get sick for a week or 2 or even a month, customers DO NOT beleive me! :mad: You know I'm human too!! I can get sick just as well as the next person. Even in my policy I mention that if I have a Sickness or an Emergency in the family then I reserve the right to put ANY costume on hold. What REALLY bugs me is people NEVER EVER read my policy then when I get sick, I get yelled at. :mad: I mean Geez I do have a family too and I do get sick... I'm not like Setsuna and have LOTS of people working under me. I do this all by myself. It just REALLY gets on my nerves!

I could go on and on about things I hate when getting commissions from cosplayers.

Vicky
07-12-2006, 04:19 PM
As for me, I have been buying costumes from SetsunaKou for many years now, and will continue to do so in the future. I am very proud to say that they do a fabulous job each and every time! ^_^ They've always delivered, both fast and on-time. If you have a certain request or want something a certain way, they will do it. Just mention it. They are very friendly, they will communicate with you, and they have reasonable prices.
Come check them out: http://www.setsunakou.com/costume/costume.html

I really wish all their photos were higher quality. Some of the costumes look fantastic, and others you can tell were when they just started out and you have to squint to see what it looks like.

I'm actually considering buying a JEM AND THE HOLOGRAMS costume from her, but the pics are so tiny and poor quality :S

Koisnake
07-12-2006, 06:38 PM
Personally, when it comes to commissioning costumes, it's up to the buyer to provide the correct and accurate information to the seller. For starters, make sure you provide current, accurate measurements. If you really want a costume a certain way, mention those 'tiny details' right up front <like certain fabrics, colors, etc.>. Do the research on your character, provide all views such like the front, back, and side. The more you can provide for the commissioner, the better the product will be to your liking.

When you decide upon a costume, remember that whoever you wish to commission it, your costume is probably not the only one that they will be working on. Give plenty of notice, say a couple of months. This would cut down on any 'rush' jobs. Also, always give the commissioning company a due date that is at least 2-3 weeks prior to the con you wish to attend. That would avoid any problems about not receiving costumes on time.

As for me, I have been buying costumes from SetsunaKou for many years now, and will continue to do so in the future. I am very proud to say that they do a fabulous job each and every time! ^_^ They've always delivered, both fast and on-time. If you have a certain request or want something a certain way, they will do it. Just mention it. They are very friendly, they will communicate with you, and they have reasonable prices.
Come check them out: http://www.setsunakou.com/costume/costume.html

Their prices are alittle too high ^_^ At QQCosplay.com, you can get great quality costumes for half as much as they charge. And they have EXCELLENT feedback.

Misarylane
07-12-2006, 07:32 PM
At QQCosplay.com, you can get great quality costumes for half as much as they charge. And they have EXCELLENT feedback.



I'm gonna check them out....hmmm....me like.

Kakashi101
07-12-2006, 08:24 PM
I won't say name (yet) cause there still might be time for her to do good...

But what do you guys think?

I ordered a cosplay about, oh....4 months ago. We made a deal that I would send half the money and she would send me half the costume and then the other half and then she would send the other half and we would both be happy. But like I said, 4 months ago I sent off my first half payment...and the top is STILL not hear.

So I used to IM her and ask, 'Hows it going?' or 'whats up?', b/c the last think I want to do is even slightly upset my seamtress. So after three months I just kinda bluntly asked- "So...did you send off the top yet?" She said she's in the middle of moving and it would take her a while. And of course, I know how that goes and I was like- alrighty! Now she dosn't even get online anymore. I've sent her PMs (she's on this site) and she hasn't replyed yet.

The reason that she might 'still be good' is that I still DO have 2ish months left. So should I give her another month or so...or what? Ask for my money back? *sigh*

And of course I know what others might say- Well, she IS taking her time to make YOU a cosplay. Just wait! It's hard to sow and make it look good. But then my friend says that its not that hard of a costume to make...My head hurts.

Koumori
07-12-2006, 08:45 PM
I really wish all their photos were higher quality. Some of the costumes look fantastic, and others you can tell were when they just started out and you have to squint to see what it looks like.

I'm actually considering buying a JEM AND THE HOLOGRAMS costume from her, but the pics are so tiny and poor quality :S

It all seems to depend on what kind of day they're having. Some people have been really satisfied with stuff they've bought there, some have not. For myself, I bought a costume from them when I was first starting out. I certainly wasn't expecting greatness at such a low price, but in a get what you pay for sense, I was perfectly pleased. I had to do some hand-sewing to bring it up to my standards before wearing (sewing snaps on tightly, tightening up shoe covers, fixing the zipper), but it was a perfectly cute and serviceable costume at a cheap price, and I knew it wasn't being farmed out to some sweatshop in China. They are *still* only using a webcam, though, which makes it impossible to really see what you're getting.

Tigress
07-12-2006, 11:23 PM
Their prices are alittle too high ^_^ At QQCosplay.com, you can get great quality costumes for half as much as they charge. And they have EXCELLENT feedback.

I'll second the QQcosplay.com endorsement. The Ino costume I bought from them was gorgeous.

darkakane
07-13-2006, 12:22 AM
Okay all, I do not want to say names yet, because I can be overracting but I ordered a long pink wig in March, and well I still haven't got it. The person I ordered it from said that it was sent back to their house in mid June and that they wanted me to resend my Addy information. I gladly did this, and even sent in my Boyfriends addy, so my neighbours wouldn't interfer again. This person said (through emails) that I would recieve my wig in a week. Well now it's mid July and still no wig. I have now sent three more emails to this person requiring about my wig and I have gotten no reply. am really starting to wonder if I got ripped off, and I am quite upset about it! What do you all think? Does this sound legit or not?

Also should I just bite the bullet and buy another wig, in town through a store? The convention I need this wig for is in mid August, and I really want to have a wig to compleate my costume.

phantomthief
07-13-2006, 12:30 AM
DarkAkane: I suggest checking in town and seeing if you can get a wig you can use in a worst-case scenario.
Was it a custom wig or just... a wig? Also, how did you pay?

~Ari-chan

darkakane
07-13-2006, 12:41 AM
Phantomtheif, It was not a costume wig, it was a large scale order through a USA company that doesn't ship to Canada. I don't know if anyone else who ordered from this person has had the same problems. This person said that they have been having problems with our post office, and I have had problems with other mail items at my old house.

I also paid through a money order, which I kept a copy off, I also have kept all our email corraspondences. I really hope I am just overacting, since not only do I want to believe that this person would not rip me off, but I also do not know if I could trust ordering through anyone else on the net, if this is the case.

But thanks for the advice, I will pick up a short cheaper pink wig just in case (The character I am going as, actually has her hair both long and short in the outfit I am wearing. I wanted the longer wig because I was planning to use it for another character as well. )

Winter Divinity
07-13-2006, 12:56 AM
Phantomtheif, It was not a costume wig, it was a large scale order through a USA company that doesn't ship to Canada. I don't know if anyone else who ordered from this person has had the same problems. This person said that they have been having problems with our post office, and I have had problems with other mail items at my old house.

I also paid through a money order, which I kept a copy off, I also have kept all our email corraspondences. I really hope I am just overacting, since not only do I want to believe that this person would not rip me off, but I also do not know if I could trust ordering through anyone else on the net, if this is the case.

But thanks for the advice, I will pick up a short cheaper pink wig just in case (The character I am going as, actually has her hair both long and short in the outfit I am wearing. I wanted the longer wig because I was planning to use it for another character as well. )

Just curious, who is the character you are cosplayer?

And perhaps could you give the name of the person/company you bought the wig from, so that the rest of us can be aware next time?

Koisnake
07-13-2006, 02:20 PM
You should Mention names, darkakane so we won't get ripped off too.

Winter Divinity
07-14-2006, 04:52 PM
Hey, what do ya know...Honestdragonchina is "having problems with her store".


I'm going to admit to everyone... I was the one who caused that. I reported her to ebay for NUMEROUS things, like excessive shipping, offering other merchandise, etc. just to get her to straighten out her business. But no luck! They took off her auctions for 3 days, then let her back, doing the same thing, ripping off customers and stealing pictures. I say we ALL should continue to report to ebay for every little thing that she does wrong. These people have to be brought down.

Vicky
07-15-2006, 01:47 PM
It all seems to depend on what kind of day they're having. Some people have been really satisfied with stuff they've bought there, some have not. For myself, I bought a costume from them when I was first starting out. I certainly wasn't expecting greatness at such a low price, but in a get what you pay for sense, I was perfectly pleased. I had to do some hand-sewing to bring it up to my standards before wearing (sewing snaps on tightly, tightening up shoe covers, fixing the zipper), but it was a perfectly cute and serviceable costume at a cheap price, and I knew it wasn't being farmed out to some sweatshop in China. They are *still* only using a webcam, though, which makes it impossible to really see what you're getting.

Hmm, I kind of figured it was hit or miss. That's why I'm reluctant to buy the Jem costume. It looks fantastic, and yes, I forsee I'll have to make some minor adjustments as well, but it's one of those costumes you'd like to have but not really high on the priority list enough to make it yourself ^_^
I really do wish the pics were higher quality. And updated! You can tell some of them are very old. That's a shame, she'd probably get more business that way :)
She probably has the most selection that I've seen though.

Kakashi101
07-16-2006, 01:35 AM
No pointers for me? Awwww.

darkakane
07-16-2006, 04:40 PM
To answer a few questions that you all have asked, and thanks for the support. I am still hoping that I am overacting so I want to give this person just a bit more time! Like I said the Convention, Anime Evolution in Burnaby BC is in mid August. So technically this person still has a bit off time to send me my wig. However, if I do not recieve this item by the first week of August, I will come back and let you guys no who it was that ripped me off. This person uses these's boards and other Convention boards. I really want to believe that this is all a big misunderstanding and my wig is on the way. And, infact I will email this person and let them know that I intend to inform others off this if my wig is not in my hands by the first week off August. Or if I do not get some kind of information saying it's on it's way! Like a post office/parcel number. I know this may be a bit cranky/mean off me but I am getting very impatient!

Also for those of you who are inquiring about the character I am going as, I am going as Lucy from Elfen Lied. I have seen a few short pink wigs that would work for her, in stores. However, I wanted the longer Wig because I plan to attempt to make a Wedding Peach costume for next years Anime Evolution, and did not want to buy two pink wigs.

Once again thanks to all off you who have replayed. I really wish I would have known about this forum before I ordered my wig. This board has been extreamly helpful!

EDIT: Okay I just heard from this person today, Finally appearantly my wig has been sent. Hopefully this is true, and we can just chalk these posts up to overracting. However, If I don't get that wig soon, I will let you all know what's going on. Thanks again for being so understanding.

Tenshinoitami1
07-20-2006, 07:10 PM
Riceball here on cosplay.com

Last year I comissioned a simple costume, a scholl uniform. I didn't get it till about 3 months after my con and even then the order was not fullied correctly. I keep emailing her to please please send me the bow tie and glove I I asked for in my order. It's been over a yera now and I still don't have my items. She's emailed me saying "I'll ship this out this weekend" or "I'm getting the supplies this week" and STILL, nothing.
She's said "I'll include 'such and such' because I was late."
All I want is my bow tie and glove for Rukia from Bleach!!!

Winter Divinity
07-21-2006, 02:06 AM
Riceball here on cosplay.com

Last year I comissioned a simple costume, a scholl uniform. I didn't get it till about 3 months after my con and even then the order was not fullied correctly. I keep emailing her to please please send me the bow tie and glove I I asked for in my order. It's been over a yera now and I still don't have my items. She's emailed me saying "I'll ship this out this weekend" or "I'm getting the supplies this week" and STILL, nothing.
She's said "I'll include 'such and such' because I was late."
All I want is my bow tie and glove for Rukia from Bleach!!!

Wow over a year just for a bow and glove? Who is this person you comissioned from?

Tenshinoitami1
07-21-2006, 02:11 AM
Wow over a year just for a bow and glove? Who is this person you comissioned from?

It's the user Riceball here on cosplay.com

Last year when cosplay.com still had the classifed section I was looking for someone to make me the Bleach uniform for Rukia. My order included; pleated skirt, jacket, button down white shirt, bow tie, and fingerless glove.

I gave the comissioner a good month or more notice of when I wanted the costume etc. I recieved teh costume (jacket, skirt, and shirt) about 3 months later. She said she "forgot to put the bowtie in the box" and would ship it out. Then she lost it.
Yes these are simple items I could make myself but that's not the point. I paid for those items to be in my order.

Misarylane
07-21-2006, 02:54 PM
thats cold...

aoisakura
07-22-2006, 05:46 PM
I'm going to admit to everyone... I was the one who caused that. I reported her to ebay for NUMEROUS things, like excessive shipping, offering other merchandise, etc. just to get her to straighten out her business. But no luck! They took off her auctions for 3 days, then let her back, doing the same thing, ripping off customers and stealing pictures. I say we ALL should continue to report to ebay for every little thing that she does wrong. These people have to be brought down.

Lol. I did simmilar, left her neut. feedback after she sent me a costume that was nothing like the photos (So I ended up pulling it apart and re-making it) And she emailed me few months back asking me to retract the feedback i left, (did you realise they were hidden feedback till a month or so back?) I said sure, when you actually send me the costume you have posted on your discription -_-;