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StereoLab
02-21-2003, 05:09 PM
<*boredboredbored*>

Sometimes i get the feeling that people like J-pop cuz its...well Japanese. I mean in all honesty how many of you guys would like Gackt if all his stuff was in English? x.x

I consider Ayumi the Britney Spears of Japan, they both have extremely annoying nasally voices, and they both can't sing. One just dances better than the other. But i hear a lot more people putting down Britney because she's a manufactured pop star. I really don't see what makes Ayumi so different. She's been in lipstick commericals, car commercials, chocolate commercials, you name it.

damnit gotta go, i'll finish this later ^^;

KitsuNessa
02-21-2003, 06:00 PM
I agree with you, that Ayumi is the Britney of Japan. Seriously. Looks is what gets her most of the way...and catchy pop music...

I like the Brilliant Green :)
they sing in English (not very well mind you) and Japanese but really, I couldn't care if it was in Swahili...I just like the music :)

StereoLab
02-21-2003, 06:09 PM
ohhh i love the Brilliant Green too. Thats GOOD jrock. There are always exceptions

KitsuNessa
02-21-2003, 06:11 PM
hehe yeah, i love them too.
and when i'm in the mood for good 'ol pop, it's SES for me :)
tho they're more K-Pop than anything...yeahh..but I always love their stuff ^^

Lynzie
02-21-2003, 08:53 PM
^^ The music I listen to is music I like. :P I suppose the fact that it's in a language other than English makes me like it more 'cuz I have this... thing about languages, but it has nothing to do with the fact that it's Japanese.

Babbit_Chan
02-21-2003, 11:11 PM
I listen to Japanese music because of good SOUND. I like music that'll make my heart race in a good way. Jpop/rock generally has a lot of techno in it, which is where I get that good feeling ^_^ Good lyrics are a plus. I don't listen to Spanish music just because it's Spanish..

animeandska
02-21-2003, 11:44 PM
Japanese ska bands- let me tell you- I hear one once it was really different i can tell you that much, and my anime music is nice, except one i just translated it, and figured out it was some backstreet boy song. I need to learn what the other songs mean now-

Arisa
02-22-2003, 03:53 PM
x.x In my opinion, while Ayumi is popular like Britney, that's about where the similarities end. I think Ayumi has a beautiful voice (Unlike Britney). She has better fashion sense, too (AKA, stuff that doesn't look like underwear, like what Britney wears; stuff that sufficiently covers her). Ayumi writes her own lyrics, and does a damn good job at it, too. Also, she used to be a rapper. I doubt Britney was ever a rapper. :) Plus, Ayumi hates modelling in skimpy bathing suits and such to get popular, while Britney does nude photos. Ayumi actually has a mind of her own, and a very strong will, while Britney's just a stupid, airheaded slut. Britney's also extremely rude, and Ayumi's... well... not. ^^; Plus, Ayumi actually does look good, while Britney doesn't! @_@ And Ayumi isn't just getting by on good looks. That's my two cents.

I like J-Pop and J-Rock because it's different from American pop and rock. It has a completely different style. That's why I don't like Utada Hikaru anymore; a lot of her songs sound way too American for my tastes. x.x; Considering she grew up in NY, though, I think it's gonna be a given that her songs are gonna have an American style. I generally don't like the style of most American songs. It's just... icky. x.x and the lyrics are crap. Singing about sex and "thugs" and all that crap. Of course, there are American songs I like. They're mostly country songs, though. o.- You'd be surprised how good country is. Most people just think, "Ah, ew, it's country!" and never give it a chance. That really annoys me. >< But, this is a thread for Japanese music, so I think I'll shut up now. ^^;

Rey-Rey
02-23-2003, 08:51 PM
"Ayumi actually has a mind of her own, and a very strong will, while Britney's just a stupid, airheaded slut. Britney's also extremely rude..."

Well, I never met Britney. So I wouldn't know. >=D

Woof. >=D

As for Japanese music, it's more the rhythm and the beat and whatnot. Wish that some American music would contain those kinds of rhythms and beats and whatnot but, hey, that's what separates them.

StereoLab
02-23-2003, 09:08 PM
You seem to have extremely strong opinions about someone you don't even know. Judging by Britney's past (this is from VH1 x.x), i think she also has a very strong will. While her music might not be to your liking, she's been working in the entertainment industry since she was 6. Btw everyone and their mother writes their own lyrics. Hell i can write my own lyrics. Now if Ayumi wrote and produced the music, thats a whole 'nother story

Oh and IMO Ayumi is horrible at rapping.

aila
02-24-2003, 12:38 AM
Originally posted by Arisa
Plus, Ayumi hates modelling in skimpy bathing suits and such to get popular, while Britney does nude photos. Ayumi actually has a mind of her own, and a very strong will, while Britney's just a stupid, airheaded slut. Britney's also extremely rude, and Ayumi's... well... not. ^^;



Actually, Arisa, I've heard that before Ayumi became a singer she was a swimsuit model...And how do you know that she's a nice person? She could be a [censored] for all we know....Sorry to say this but most pop stars(Japanese, American, or whatever) are to some degree manufactured, so there's no way you can be sure the personality they portray is real....


But anyway....I'm actually kind of a big J-pop fan. Most of the J-pop I listen to actually fits into my musical tastes(which are extremely eclectic)....

StereoLab
02-24-2003, 01:41 AM
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/getarticle.pl5?fd20030202tc.htm

now I'm not saying this is true, but same things have been said about britney. I like japanese too of course, and my main complaint here isn't "Japanese music sounds like crap", i just think people are giving Jpop stars a lot more credit than American pop stars, and i don't really understand why. If morning musume was in America, i honestly think they'll get more shit than Avril.

Yuna
02-24-2003, 02:02 AM
Ayumi did tons of odd jobs before she was discovered as a singer. She did swimsuit modeling, commercials, acting, ect. She was at a karaoke bar when she was discovered. Her producers sent her to New York to get voice lessons, which she never attended. Her producer, Max Matsura, convinced her to write lyrics after reading several letters of her's.

Ayumi Hamasaki has never made money off a song she didn't write the lyrics too. Also, on "I Am..." and "Rainbow" she co-composed many of the songs. Also, she has created and designed her own clothing line. All of these things she did herself, with help form the right people. Also, Ayu CAN accually sing and has AMAZING range (that of which you probably know nothing about).

What you fail to see is the difference in pop-culture in Japan and America. They would have kicked Ayumi to the curb years ago if she didn't get sponsers like Tuka and Visee. They finance her promotional activities and her tours, while she does the modeling in their adversisments. Unlike in America, you NEED sponsers like Tuka and Visee to be successful in Japan. That doesn't make her a sell out because the American definition of sell out and the Japanese definition are completely different. (Remember, she is Japanese, sings in Japanese, and live sin Japan...)

StereoLab
02-24-2003, 02:43 AM
pizzicato five, m-flo, brilliant green didn't need to star in billion ads to get sponsers.

Now im not saying Ayumi is horrible and no one should like her. i used to be a fan of her stuff, and music is afterall subjective. But I don't see why she should be judge any differently from britney or christina (who also has an amazing voice). Yes you can like one more than the other, but you can't deny the fact that they're all pop stars and the sold out in one way or another.

KitsuNessa
02-24-2003, 08:20 AM
Originally posted by StereoLab
pizzicato five, m-flo, brilliant green didn't need to star in billion ads to get sponsers.


That's cause they had pure talent and concentrated more on the music aspect than the marketing aspect. Props to them.

Yuna
02-24-2003, 03:10 PM
Originally posted by StereoLab
pizzicato five, m-flo, brilliant green didn't need to star in billion ads to get sponsers.

Now im not saying Ayumi is horrible and no one should like her. i used to be a fan of her stuff, and music is afterall subjective. But I don't see why she should be judge any differently from britney or christina (who also has an amazing voice). Yes you can like one more than the other, but you can't deny the fact that they're all pop stars and the sold out in one way or another.

I guess you missed the last part of my post where I explained how, in Japan, one needs too, in your useage of the word, "Sell Out" in order to be successful. Utada Hikaru has a make-up sponser as well and models in their ads too. That's just how it is over there.

StereoLab
02-24-2003, 03:27 PM
and i guess you missed the part where i said Mflo and the Brilliant Green didn't need to sell out to be successful.

Lil Dreamer
02-24-2003, 03:42 PM
Originally posted by Arisa
..... Britney does nude photos.

as a representative of the male species, i must demand where to get ahold of these said photos!!! and i want them authentic!! not some photoshop crap!!

all joking aside, as an avid Britney Spears admirer/stalker, i have never heard anything about these "nude photos" that she does. maybe the tabloids got her sunbathing without a top on the beaches, but that's expected. so, either this is true and i ask tha tu show me where to get them or u just really have strong convictions and have to exaggerate things to make it seem like u have a valid point.

Nipple. :)

Yuna
02-24-2003, 09:03 PM
Originally posted by StereoLab
and i guess you missed the part where i said Mflo and the Brilliant Green didn't need to sell out to be successful.

They also aren't 19 years old (that's the age she started), with out a high school diploma, girl in a male dominated society.

StereoLab
02-24-2003, 11:07 PM
Shiiina Ringo was 13 when she won her first amateur music award, and by 15 she became involved in many bands, many of which are all girl bands. She writes both songs and lyrics, and she plays the drums, guitar, and piano. And Kawase Tomoko (vocalist and song writer) from Brilliant Green was 20 when the band was formed (and this is disregarding any of her previous involvements with other bands)

Yuna
02-24-2003, 11:23 PM
Trying to get you to understand her possition is futile I guess. *shrugs* people close their mind and that's that.

StereoLab
02-24-2003, 11:35 PM
I'm not saying she didn't work hard. I'm just saying there are ways to gain music success in Japan without having to "sell yourself out". The main point is there are a billion people on this board who defends Jpop stars, but they put down American pop stars who share a lot in common with Ayumi, Hikaru, etc. Those are the people with closed minds. If you don't like their music thats fine, but don't attack their credibility.

Yuna
02-25-2003, 12:57 AM
nice to know I didn't put down anyone's credibility, I just defeneded my favorite artist... x_x

Ali-kun
02-25-2003, 02:50 PM
...Britney's songs don't have eurobeat remixes ^_^v

Yuna
02-25-2003, 03:06 PM
LOL!! @ Ali

She doesn't have her songs remixed by people like Ferry Corsten either ^_~

peaseblossom
02-25-2003, 03:17 PM
I, personally, like Shonen Knife and The Pillows best out of all the Japanese bands I've heard. Cibo Matto is another good one.

I do enjoy stuff like para para and anime music too, but for the most part, I don't even listen to Japanese music besides the three bands I mentioned above. Never heard a Gackt or Ayu song in my life. THinking about d/ling some just to see what all the fuss is about.

*wink*
--Amber

Babbit_Chan
02-25-2003, 09:18 PM
Peaseblossom: Shonen Knife is awesome =D

Ali-kun: Very good point!

peaseblossom
02-25-2003, 09:52 PM
Babbito: Yeah! Cherry Bomb and their cover of The Ramones' "I Wanna Be Sedated" are great!

Ceres86
02-25-2003, 11:18 PM
heh, personally I like both American and japanese music. Though Im not an avid fan of the "thugs" lyrics talking about sex and drugs I do like the beats. As for Japanese Music, I think it fits my tastes more, its more high pitched and I absolutely love the beats. Some times i wonder how people can make so much varieties of songs. I dont just like Japanese music because its Japanese (partially because I love to sing and Japanese is so easy to pronounce) but I just kinda like songs that arnt English because it gets me curious about what they sing about and etc.

Rey-Rey
02-26-2003, 02:42 PM
Nessa, no, you didn't put down anybody's credibility nor was StereoLab accusing you of such.

*RANT MODE*

WOULD SOME PEOPLE GET OFF THE ARTIST'S CASES OF BEING RUDE, STUCK-UP, AND BAD JUST BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE THEIR MUSIC??!??! If you don't like their music, that's FINE and DANDY. Would you like it if some people talked about you being RUDE, BITCHY, SLUTTY, STUCK-UP if they don't even know YOU?!? If that happens, don't cry FOUL because you did the same thing. I'm not saying that Britney Spears or Ayumi Hamasaki are the best PEOPLE in the world. It's simply because, well, I NEVER met them. But it's also NOT fair to call them names when, in fact, you have NEVER met them.

I DON'T like some rap, pop, and country. That doesn't mean I'm going to go out of my way and call them slutty or hoe-ish or stupid or whatever. Sure, we'll say that once in a while when we see them on TV making comments that we disagree with but, overall, I'm not going to go on a rantfest to say, "I HATE JAY-Z" or "I HATE BRITNEY" or "I HATE UTADA" or "I HATE CHRISTINA". Can't we just say... "I DON'T LIKE HER/HIS MUSIC. I PREFER _______"

Throw out the Eurobeat remixes (although I do recall a few of Britney's songs being techno-remixed and whatnot) and Ayumi and Britney have a lot more in common than you people think. Britney Spears is to the U.S. as Ayumi Hamasaki is to Japan. All that stuff.

As for nude Britney pix, I'd like to see them, too. I don't recall her posing for Playboy and whatnot.

Oh, as for "slutty clothing"... if your record company tells you to wear something skimpy for a nice amount of money, wouldn't you do it? And if I recall correctly, Ayumi wore cat-suits, has gone almost topless, while Britney wore schoolgirl outfits, and really small tops that are coming off her shoulders. Hmmmmmmmm.

*RANT MODE OFF*

BACK ON TOPIC.

I listen to Morning Musume. Any questions? >=D

Woof. >=D

peaseblossom
02-26-2003, 03:09 PM
I think the nude pictures are just porn with Britney's head cg'd onto them. I have found more than one on my husband's computer. *g*

Caryn
02-26-2003, 03:31 PM
I think the nude pictures are just porn with Britney's head cg'd onto them. I have found more than one on my husband's computer. *g*
That's a little unsettling...

Arisa
02-28-2003, 07:31 PM
Someone I know met Britney. Let's just say it wasn't a pleasant experience for her.

Yes, Ayumi did used to do swimsuit modelling when she was starting out, because her manager or someone suggested she do so. She stopped after awhile because she hated doing that sort of thing... x.x Bah. I think I'll just shut up now. **shuts up**

number18
03-01-2003, 11:28 AM
Well enough of the Britney/Ayumi battle...

As for Japanese pop music, it definitely has its unique flavor to it. To me, the pop music has always seemed...not outdated, but more having a retro flavor. The more R&B type singers like Misia (at least on her Marvelous album) have songs with more of a funk vibe to it...and the sounds of awesome r&b songs I grew up by like..Mary J Blige and TLC and whatnot. Not saying Misia's r&b stuff is just like that old stuff, but like...all that hip-hop and r&b from when I was growing up...has the same awesome head-nodding business going on. It's REALLY hard to describe.

But everyone has said it here in the thread already, in one way or another, that the beats and melodies in the songs are just not found in American pop. It really isn't. And it's strange because you just CANT describe how exactly the beats and melodies are different ...you can just feel them.

As for liking songs just because they're being sung in Japanese, I'll say that yes, I like a lot of songs a teensy bit more just because of the Japanese language. I very much like the sounds of the language...it's also hard to explain without sounding like an idiot. But anyone that has sung along with a Japanese song knows what I'm talking about. It's how they have the seperate N sound and how words come out when they're being sung.

Yaaaarrrrrrghhh....now I'm just confusing myself so I'll stop. In short, yes I like some Japanese music JUST because it's Japanese...but mostly because it IS unique (anime, pop and all...and I'm going to lump in Korean pop and such here also, though it too has a slightly different flavor) and you can't really find similar music in America...unless I'm missing something.

o.o;;

AznChoCoPanDa
03-01-2003, 02:03 PM
ARASHI ARASHI ARASHI!..such an adorable boy band ^_^...if anyone has seen Gokusen or even heared of the drama..then u are sooo cool..if u havent..ur still cool ^_^ gotta watch gokusen..its anime come to life ^_^

Kurenai
03-01-2003, 02:15 PM
I like Japanese songs because their lyrics are much better. If you can't understand them, then they're easy to pronounce because they are all basically one-syllable sounds. It's a very easy, pleasing language to the ear.

If you can understand them/have gotten translations.....well I like the translated lyrics much better than a lot of the American song lyrics. They're so pretty. They seem like they mean a lot more to the songwriter.

Babbit_Chan
03-01-2003, 05:11 PM
Kurenai: I agree wholeheartedly - there seems to be more meaning in a lot of their songs (to me).

AznChoCoPanDa
03-02-2003, 07:20 PM
yes..lots of love and stuff..bwhehe

Radical Urd
03-02-2003, 07:47 PM
okay i the reason i like Jrock is because its totally different than American, take Kyo for example the way he sings and looks rivals Mason and Gackt can play piano and look like that sad little angel that he is and still be singing his brains out the next morning. They look completly different and sing different and while in america some artist whine about there sucky lives and how much bling bling they have, Malice Mizer lyrics were so deep i didn't even understand them. i'm not all into J pop tho, only some.
As for Britney i have an 8 year old sister and she looks up to Britney so when i saw that girl don't half naked photo shoots and singing at the music awards in bra and panties i wasn't happy, speccially since my lil sis wants to be just like her. So in my mind she is a nasty whore, because when she knows that she has hundreds of underage fans you would at least think she'd have the sense to dress appropriatly.
PS i think she is mean too, cause she made all those British fans wait for her for 5 hours and didn't sign a darn autograph, then said she was feeling sick that day.... too sick to sign her name? i don't think so....

Maryssa
03-06-2003, 10:44 PM
Originally posted by peaseblossom
I do enjoy stuff like para para and anime music too

^^;; just for the record, most 'parapara' music is Italian and european (if I have brought this up before, I apologize)

Babbit_Chan
03-07-2003, 12:37 AM
Maryssa: Wow I didn't know that =D That's pretty interesting.