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Unread 10-05-2010, 04:44 PM   #31
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Verdatum: I love your wiki I go there quite often I just tested making "bondo" thanks to it and it seems to have worked for my purpose.


http://costumes.glittersweet.com/rec...witchblade.htm
In the bottom pictures (which flash has really ruined, sigh) I am wearing a mixture of make up and PAX. The black is pure PAX (1:1 PA:acrylic paint) and the colours are mixtures of mica powders and alcohol gel that had evaporated leaving a damp powder.

I have just made a mix to eek out the last of my PA (I need it for my latex appliances) and I mixed it to about 1: 1.5 PA:liquiset with pigments and paint to colour. Too much pigment though and they don't all get set and you wind up staining everything- your paint stays put still. This is why Acrylic paint is so useful as those pigments are already caught in a sticky medium.

It is indeed sweat proof and budge proof but not as much as with PA, naturally. Though the mix I have just mentioned really is very budgeproof! I tried it last night and it would not come off with soap and warm water in the sink and took a fair bit of scrubbing with a scrubbing mitt! But in a shower with the hot water continually running, or in a bath where you can soak it comes off much faster- your body perspires much more rapidly so it lifts off from underneath.
Mixing with the liquiset also reduces the tackiness by a great deal.

The paint I use is students art acrylic. The medium it is carried in is cosmetically safe (acrylic is the base for both PA and Liquiset) but some pigments can be toxic- less so for known brands but there are a few issues with paint on kids toys that have made it to the media in recent years. The brand most commonly available here is Chroma and they do a few different ranges.

For Samara I also adjusted the colour a little as my contact lenses have an aqua tone and it would have clashed badly had I painted myself a warm-dull blue as she really is. The joy with Chromacryl (the student paint) is they have warm and cool toned primary colours to work with

I found I was able to do a base of flat blue then shade with eyeshadows/mica powders dry and damp to get toning.
http://www.pbase.com/nero_design/image/125835539
You can see that it did rub off by my collar; solid resin piece, not recommended! But I also missed the back of my neck here

http://www.flickr.com/photos/shazzst...-91424360@N00/
This shows the shading I achieved over the base colour a bit better


And edited to add: I like to use a brush as it seems to make the application much smoother. For Samara I used a brush that is the same shape as a foundation brush and it just made the painting wizz by. I have used sponges but I find that as they absorb liquid they can make it harder to get an even coverage- possibly because the liquid being absorbed means the paint is already drying before it gets on.

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Unread 10-07-2010, 08:27 AM   #32
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Thanks Samara for the info on the Liquiset! It looks like I've got another medium to experiment with next time I use PAX.

And I agree - I've used sponges for the PAX as well and found that they absorbed too much of the liquid, so I switched to brushes only.
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Unread 11-01-2010, 05:47 AM   #33
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I had another trial a couple of weekends ago I used about 1/3 paint 1/3liquiset 1/3 PA and had a few places where it came off- on my chest and near the edges of the collar (solid latex piece so quite soft but the edged were not rounded).

I spritzed liquiset several times to help the powder stick too. There are shades of blue and purple in the make up (so in essence super hot pink with some lilac to highlight) I also used liquiset on my brush for the make up shading, again it helped the powder shading to stick to the paint.

I added about another equal amount of PA and that seemed to make it extra super budge resistant. And I had to use Isopropyl Myristate to remove it. And baby wipes. It came off more easily the next day with a scrubbing glove, hot water and soap- i.e. in the shower rather than the sink at the convention.....

I do recommend the more balanced amount on the face though. It is much less likely to be bumped by enthusiastic crowds (sigh, I was glomped several times as Samara) and it does make it that little bit easier to remove. Less "OMG I think my face is being pulled in five directions" as it dries

Big fan of the stuff and I always use child safe acrylic. They are not meant to be ingested but are safe enough just in case. Though I'd never want to eat a whole tube.

So Thanks again cachalot for starting this thread and verdatum for the efforts to spread the word (I love the wiki and promoted it at the same event ).

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Unread 11-03-2010, 04:53 AM   #34
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I love pax! Made up a batch for my Avatar costume from 50/50 PA and Chromacryl! Worked great when I was patient and gave it time to dry- when I tried to hurry the process it went clumpy and the talc ended up in thick lumps rather than a thin coat. Lesson- be patient and cautious. Have not tried adding liquiset but may give it a trial next time.

One big error on my part- I thought the talc sticking to it would make it brighter but the true colour of the paint came through after a while. This meant that my (pre-painted) tail was lighter than the rest of my body. Will have to do a proper test run next time.

Best part was being able to wear the paint several days in a row! It was like having a second skin.

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Unread 11-20-2010, 05:26 PM   #35
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Someone mentioned that PAX is tricky with hair - would arm hair (on the forearm, not the armpit) be included in that? Is it uncomfortable or does it rip hair out?
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Unread 11-20-2010, 06:54 PM   #36
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My husband found it a bit uncomfortable on his forearm and chest/belly hair because as PAX dries, it grabs the long hairs. This also makes it hard to get off from places that have hair since you have to scrub a bit. For female arm hair I wouldn't say it's a problem at all, but for men with longer forearm hair, if you have sensitive skin, I would suggest being careful before you go with PAX.
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Cool - I guess it wouldn't be a big issue then. Thanks for your input, your costume is amazing!
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I have a Question!! Does this only work with Pros-Aid or can you use other brands of prosthetic adhesives?
I currently only have access to the Ben Nye brand prosthetic adhesive. Will it work or should I wait until I can order actual Pros-Aid?
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Unread 12-07-2010, 09:16 AM   #39
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@Clyde 2.0 - I have actually no idea if you could mix PAX with anything except Pros-Aide. Perhaps Verdatum or Satine, who have more experience with PAX, could give you an answer. I would guess it depends on the ingredients of the adhesive and how it sticks to your skin.
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Okay, thanks! And if no one else has tried using other brands of PA, I can always volunteer to be the guinea pig! ^_^
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Unread 12-08-2010, 04:48 PM   #41
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This thread gives some pretty low reviews for Ben Nye's prosthetic adhesive. But From what I can see, it is still an acrylic based adhesive, so it should have no troubles mixing with acrylic paint.

If you have some lying around, by all means, do a small test and see what you think. But, if it's weak, I wouldn't let that dissuade you from trying it with pros-aide.
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Unread 12-12-2010, 03:26 AM   #42
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Someone mentioned that PAX is tricky with hair - would arm hair (on the forearm, not the armpit) be included in that? Is it uncomfortable or does it rip hair out?
I used Veet the day before to remove all my body hair, but there were some patches where coverage wasn't total and hair remained and I found the paint in these areas uncomfortable to remove
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Unread 12-18-2010, 02:19 PM   #43
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Finally got around to testing the Ben Nye PA. It held up well enough for my needs so I think I'll just use what I have for Sakuracon instead of ordering Pros-aid.

I mixed 50/50 PA and a random acrylic that was the first color I grabbed... creme.

I kinda rushed the painting 'cause I had to share the bathroom with people getting ready for the day... I did feel some pulling as it dried but nothing major. Also, it dries tacky, like Pros-aid, so I did have to powder when it dried. Here's what it looked like.

Then I went and planted trees for three hours. I was wearing gloves and using a shovel, which is probably equivalent to a full day's wear at a convention... When I pulled my gloves off I was sure that I'd have most, if not all of it rubbed off from my palm and fingers. It was mostly still there. Some had come off the fingertips, but the rest was just fine.

And now I'm sitting here, trying to rub the rest off and it's stuck pretty well in some places. I should probably break out the remover now. ^_^
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Thanks Clyde!! Sounds like your experiment was a success, and thanks for sharing the photos. Now I have something else to test for PAX!
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Glad to help! I'm just happy that I don't have to order anything off the interwebs...
I was also thinking that I might up the percentage of adhesive to about 75% for my fingertip areas. When I end up doing the full costume, I would find it rather distracting for my fingertips to start rubbing off.
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