Go Back   Cosplay.com > Fashion > EGL

Closed Thread
Thread Tools Rate Thread
Unread 11-26-2010, 03:38 PM   #61
Axelai
I'm Awesome
 
Axelai's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 6,405
Apologies to those whom i offended. I was just making an opinion on the first two pages of responses, which seemed a little rude and not helpful.

Quote:
Originally Posted by lolita*neko View Post
And directly to Axelai: who the heck are you talking about? I never see anyone being flat out rude to newbies in the style in my years of being into lolita, yet I still hear stories like this - I'm beginning to think people are either too sensitive/paranoid or there's some secret douch-bag lolita community. xD I'm honestly curious as to who talked to you like that. :c
Well, specifically to me, the people at Anime Expo. There was a very nice lolita girl who sold me a Bodyline dress at a shop in the dealer hall. She was VERY very nice. I bought the pink dress and a petticoat. When i wore it the next day, i saw a lolita in a super nice dress. A white dress with a blue ice cream type pattern on the bottom. I complimented her dress, and she gave me this sneering look. Later, i went to a stand at Artist Alley selling lolita accessories. She gave me one look and ignored me.

It was like... the first time i wore anything lolita. And everyone was so standoffish and snobby that it made me feel like i was doing something wrong. I found out later that the black shoes i was wearing weren't lolita enough, and i needed more accessories. But how was i supposed to know that? No one had told me at the time. Everyone either glared at me or ignored me. If they had told me the rules of the fashion then and there, i would have bought the needed additions at the con and everything would have been fine.

In this forum too, i don't see people being outright rude, but i see some people being a little... i don't know how to say it. Elitest? Like, acting superior for their knowledge. It really upsets me. This is just a fashion. A fashion with a lot of rules, but a fashion nonetheless. So when people act better than others just because they know the rules, its upsetting to me.
__________________
Upcoming Conventions:
SacAnime, Anime LA, Anime Conji

~Cure deviantART Tumblr Fan Page~

Vote for me at the Otaku House costume contest!!
Axelai is offline  
 
Unread 11-26-2010, 05:06 PM   #62
Migumi
Registered User
 
Migumi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 390
Quote:
Originally Posted by SecretSoliloquy View Post
Um, it is a style of clothing, not molecular physics.
But making the style unique and stand out is difficult. Anyone can just wear a pink blouse with a pink dress with pink accessories and shoes. It gets difficult when you start adding different colors, changing the style to fit another, then it becomes a bit more difficult.

It's not molecular physics, but having an unique style in a fashion that's already pretty unique is a hard thing to do.


@Axelai: I think you may have encountered one of the more infamous snotty elitist. When I first started lolita I had a bunch of elitiest sneering and turn up their noses at me. Even years later after refining my style, I still get one or two girls who think they're all that and make fun of anyone and everyone just because they can. People like this shouldn't ruin a fashion for you, there's always that on jerk who dampens your day but be better than them and don't do the same to others. Just learn more about the style, get involved in the community, and enjoy lolita for yourself!

Last edited by Migumi : 11-26-2010 at 05:13 PM.
Migumi is offline  
Unread 11-26-2010, 05:12 PM   #63
Migumi
Registered User
 
Migumi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 390
Double post, sorry!
Migumi is offline  
Unread 11-26-2010, 08:53 PM   #64
sucrose2071
Registered User
 
sucrose2071's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 64
wow. Just wow. XD How does someone ask for advice and then throw it back in their faces? This is just ridiculous! Seriously.

Yeah, Lolita is a strict style that doesn't allow much room for creativity. Sucks, I know, but those of us who choose to wear it enjoy it, and if you don't like it, then it isn't a style for you. There are ways to incorporate lolita into another style, you can be as free as you want, make arm warmers and still have a cupcake skirt with it, whatever. But don't expect lolitas to buy it and don't intend to sell it as lolita. Call it something else if you want it to be lolita inspired. It's like calling a donkey a horse. Sure, they are similar, but they are completely different.
__________________
2012 works in progress:

AM2:
White Witch (Chronicles of Narnia)
Portia (Hunger Games)

AX:
Sugata glittering crux version (Star Driver)
Fire emblem (Tiger and Bunny)
Ash (Adventure Time)

PMX: .... I don't know yet XD;
sucrose2071 is offline  
Unread 11-26-2010, 09:19 PM   #65
SecretSoliloquy
can'tfindlinktodeletepro
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 643
Quote:
Originally Posted by Migumi View Post
But making the style unique and stand out is difficult. Anyone can just wear a pink blouse with a pink dress with pink accessories and shoes. It gets difficult when you start adding different colors, changing the style to fit another, then it becomes a bit more difficult.

It's not molecular physics, but having an unique style in a fashion that's already pretty unique is a hard thing to do.
I understand that there are many rules to this particular style. My point was, that it is just a style of clothing, nothing more, nothing less. I find it rather a waste of energy to put down people who don't do exactly what maybe a select ten people who 'pioneered' the style would do with an outfit. It seems to me that anyone who would put so much money, energy and time into looking a very specific way might be lacking a sense of purpose in their personal lives. Just seems that kind of energy and perfectionism should go towards something with more meaning.
SecretSoliloquy is offline  
Unread 11-26-2010, 10:09 PM   #66
Eleksin
Eleksin
 
Eleksin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 462
Didn't you basically just describe cosplaying as well in that paragraph of yours? "So much money, energy and time into looking a very specific way"? You love cosplay, no? Well, we love lolita. That's pretty much all there is to it. Our energy and perfectionism are very well spent.
Eleksin is offline  
Unread 11-26-2010, 10:12 PM   #67
SecretSoliloquy
can'tfindlinktodeletepro
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 643
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eleksin View Post
Didn't you basically just describe cosplaying as well in that paragraph of yours? "So much money, energy and time into looking a very specific way"? You love cosplay, no? Well, we love lolita. That's pretty much all there is to it. Our energy and perfectionism are very well spent.
I actually have only cosplayed a handful of times (3 or 4 tops), and I've spent very little time and money on all of the costumes.

And, in answer to your last sentence, that's really quite relative.
SecretSoliloquy is offline  
Unread 11-26-2010, 10:42 PM   #68
Eleksin
Eleksin
 
Eleksin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 462
My time is well spent no matter what you may say about it. I think most lolitas can agree with that. :3
Eleksin is offline  
Unread 11-26-2010, 10:51 PM   #69
SecretSoliloquy
can'tfindlinktodeletepro
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 643
Quote:
Originally Posted by Eleksin View Post
My time is well spent no matter what you may say about it. I think most lolitas can agree with that. :3
As long as you're happy with yourself. So many people involved in lolita spend so much of their time criticizing the fashion choices of others that it seems unlikely that they are.
SecretSoliloquy is offline  
Unread 11-27-2010, 12:04 AM   #70
lolita*neko
Registered User
 
lolita*neko's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 270
Quote:
Originally Posted by SecretSoliloquy View Post
As long as you're happy with yourself. So many people involved in lolita spend so much of their time criticizing the fashion choices of others that it seems unlikely that they are.
So anyone with a hobby is wasting their time? Cool to know.
On my free time sometimes I like to con crit outfits. Its just what I do... I like seeing what people come up with and putting my two cents in if they ask for it because I love clothes and the their endless possibilities.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Axelai View Post
Well, specifically to me, the people at Anime Expo. There was a very nice lolita girl who sold me a Bodyline dress at a shop in the dealer hall. She was VERY very nice. I bought the pink dress and a petticoat. When i wore it the next day, i saw a lolita in a super nice dress. A white dress with a blue ice cream type pattern on the bottom. I complimented her dress, and she gave me this sneering look. Later, i went to a stand at Artist Alley selling lolita accessories. She gave me one look and ignored me.

It was like... the first time i wore anything lolita. And everyone was so standoffish and snobby that it made me feel like i was doing something wrong. I found out later that the black shoes i was wearing weren't lolita enough, and i needed more accessories. But how was i supposed to know that? No one had told me at the time. Everyone either glared at me or ignored me. If they had told me the rules of the fashion then and there, i would have bought the needed additions at the con and everything would have been fine.
To be honest no one's going to come up to you and give you outfit tips. I'm sure you would've been much more put off from a girl giving you random outfit crit to your face than a few people not paying you any mind. I know I would be put off by it which is why I would never to it to another person. >_>
Although that one chick was being a jerk doesn't mean that all or the majority of us are like that or the people that were ignoring you are like that. I know at conventions I'm desensitized to other lolitas. I won't come up and chat with one unless I know them or I'm prompted to talk to them some how. I'm sure its the same for others - its kinda like whether or not your doing it wrong to some people its like 'oh, another girl dressed up all frilly.' - its nothing to take personally. I see so many lolis that I don't know at cons and we never speak the entire weekend; its no big deal. With that said, don't let one incident stop you from wearing lolita! Especially just because people didn't react to your first lolita outfit as great as you would've liked. You have to start somewhere.

Quote:
In this forum too, i don't see people being outright rude, but i see some people being a little... i don't know how to say it. Elitest? Like, acting superior for their knowledge. It really upsets me. This is just a fashion. A fashion with a lot of rules, but a fashion nonetheless. So when people act better than others just because they know the rules, its upsetting to me.
I'm sorry you see it that way... If we were elitist in anyway I'm sure girls like Meiki wouldn't wouldn't take their free time to make all those sticky posts to help out newbies and keep it updated. We wouldn't take the time to host panels IRL to help out others or come here regularly. I admit I'm fairly blunt when I comment here mostly, but I feel that's the most efficient way to post. I don't comment here to start drama, show that I'm better than someone or argue, I'm here to help out people who need it, share my knowledge and chat about lolita. Its really annoying to come here and try and talk or debate about something in a civil matter only for people to think your try to start crap because you don't sprinkle smileys all over. :c
lolita*neko is offline  
Unread 11-27-2010, 04:21 PM   #71
Axelai
I'm Awesome
 
Axelai's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 6,405
Quote:
Originally Posted by lolita*neko View Post
To be honest no one's going to come up to you and give you outfit tips. I'm sure you would've been much more put off from a girl giving you random outfit crit to your face than a few people not paying you any mind. I know I would be put off by it which is why I would never to it to another person. >_>
Although that one chick was being a jerk doesn't mean that all or the majority of us are like that or the people that were ignoring you are like that. I know at conventions I'm desensitized to other lolitas. I won't come up and chat with one unless I know them or I'm prompted to talk to them some how. I'm sure its the same for others - its kinda like whether or not your doing it wrong to some people its like 'oh, another girl dressed up all frilly.' - its nothing to take personally. I see so many lolis that I don't know at cons and we never speak the entire weekend; its no big deal. With that said, don't let one incident stop you from wearing lolita! Especially just because people didn't react to your first lolita outfit as great as you would've liked. You have to start somewhere.
I didn't mean to say i expect people to give me tips. Just not like, ya know, sneer at me because my shoes are wrong. If my outfit is so wrong, tips are better than acting like i have the plague or something.

Quote:
I'm sorry you see it that way... If we were elitist in anyway I'm sure girls like Meiki wouldn't wouldn't take their free time to make all those sticky posts to help out newbies and keep it updated. We wouldn't take the time to host panels IRL to help out others or come here regularly. I admit I'm fairly blunt when I comment here mostly, but I feel that's the most efficient way to post. I don't comment here to start drama, show that I'm better than someone or argue, I'm here to help out people who need it, share my knowledge and chat about lolita. Its really annoying to come here and try and talk or debate about something in a civil matter only for people to think your try to start crap because you don't sprinkle smileys all over. :c
I didn't mean to say EVERY lolita is an elitest jerk. I'm just saying that a lot of the comments come off that way. It seems a lot of the things posted when people ask for help, isn't helpful, but more of "ugh, you should know this already" mindset.

Its just a HUGE turn off to people trying to start in the fashion if everyone acts like they suck because they're new. A lot of lolitas i meet irl act like that, as well as people posting in here. If everyone were nicer and more friendly with the help, i'm sure we'd have less stories about rude lolitas.
__________________
Upcoming Conventions:
SacAnime, Anime LA, Anime Conji

~Cure deviantART Tumblr Fan Page~

Vote for me at the Otaku House costume contest!!
Axelai is offline  
Unread 11-27-2010, 05:14 PM   #72
Kunoichi Neko
The World is Mine! =^w^=
 
Kunoichi Neko's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 324
Quote:
Originally Posted by Garen View Post
Edit: For what it's worth, I stuck in a pic of the broadcloth dress. It's meant to be cosplay, but I'm the type who makes everything as clothing rather than costumes anyway. I think she's worn it as a dress since then, and I hope to everything she pulled the petticoat higher.
Fai and Sakura?

God, I love broadcloth. Relatively cheap, but decent quality and perfect for most of my Loli and cosplay needs!! Gets wrinkly easily though >.<

As far as deviating from the "rules" as long as you are well informed, experienced and know what you are doing, I have seen amazing outfits that break some of the general guidelines, but no one would go "THAT ISN't LOLITA!!!" It is all about coordinating and knowing what you are doing.

And in order for something to be considered loli, it doesn't have to have lace. Usually it does, but sometimes it doesn't. Innocent world has a lot of laceless dresses.
__________________
Yaoi is my blood, my heart, my mind and my soul.
Cosplays in progress
Kurogane and Syaoran -Tsubasa- Artbook (The one with the signs and Fai's Middle Finger)

Future cons: Akicon 2011
Sakuracon 2012
My Lovely Lolita Blog A Cursed Doll
Kunoichi Neko is offline  
Unread 11-27-2010, 05:52 PM   #73
SecretSoliloquy
can'tfindlinktodeletepro
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 643
Quote:
Originally Posted by lolita*neko View Post
So anyone with a hobby is wasting their time? Cool to know.
Yes, that's obviously exactly what I said. Good to know lolitas are not only helpful, but insightful.
SecretSoliloquy is offline  
Unread 11-27-2010, 06:09 PM   #74
noctiluca
ryuujin no miko
 
noctiluca's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 372
Wow, way to make some very broad generalizations about a fashion that thousands of people wear.

What I don't get is the notoriety lolitas receive even though they act just like everyone else, where most people are really nice or average and there are a few bad apples. But of course, negative people get all the attention, build a stereotype, and then even moderate bluntness coming from a perfectly nice person with a bow on their head forever associates them being rude or elitist. So everyone who says there are lots of rude lolitas have no right to complain about people who hate Hetalia/yaoi/Naruto/KH/etc fans because it's doing the exact same thing o_O

And come on, cosplayers can be nasty to each other too, and judge people based on their costume construction or how they acquired it.

This is really silly :P
__________________
Fanime 2013 Lineup:
Minako Arisato (Persona 3 Portable)
Catherine (Catherine)
"Yuko" Narukami (Persona 4)

I have a tumblr too!
noctiluca is offline  
Unread 11-27-2010, 10:34 PM   #75
burning112d
Registered User
 
burning112d's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 109
Yeah regardless of whatever sub-category you're in there will always be that certain amount of jerks. I've yet to meet a bitchy lolita but they probably exist. Maybe it's just more rememberable because lolitas are supposed to be all fluffy, modest and nice and one being a bitch to you just stands out.

Oh well.
burning112d is offline  
Closed Thread


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:01 AM.


Copyright 2002-2013 Cosplay.com, LLC. All Rights Reserved.
All comments and posts in our forums are the opinion of the respective poster.