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Unread 09-20-2012, 01:25 PM   #1
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I would like to open up a discussion about cosplay which has been on my mind for sometime.

I have been apart of this community for almost 9 years and I'm seeing something that I feel is damaging it. Girls who are cosplaying in skimpy clothes because of the attention it brings and the people that take advantage of those girls. It seems to me that cosplay is turning from a group of talented sewers and crafters to a community filled with let's just say soft core porn. That in order to get any recognition you need to show your boobs. That you can get away with making a closet costume and going to the convention without knowing a thing about the character just so people will take pictures of you. I know this is not a new thing but I feel it is becoming more of a problem and is giving outsiders the wrong idea about cosplaying.

Please let me know your thoughts about this- I am very curious or if you have any stories you would like to share. Or if you agree or disagree.
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Unread 09-20-2012, 02:48 PM   #2
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I thought this was going to be about Cosplay Deviants when I read the title XD

But I think there's a difference between cosplaying a more 'scantly' dressed character just cause you want the attention and doing so cause you want to take on that character's costume and/or like that said character. Granted there are girls who show off their bodies just cause they can but I dont think they're as rampant as you seem to think.
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I agree that it's becoming a problem. I hate that the major media ppl tend to show those "booth girls" more than the actual people at the convention. Like how when G4 was showing Pax Prime and when they were talking you could see a lot of regular cosplayers in the background but when it went to a break or to another segment you had to see those girls who are just there cause its their job instead of the thousands of cosplayers who attended. I saw an awesome assassin's creed cosplayer! But saw him for like a sec because they had to show some half naked WOW booth workers...I thought its about the fans but clearly they had other ideas..However I'm not saying don't show them just let other have a chance too...but it's not bothering me to much at a convention I'd go to unless theirs a lot of under 10 kids other then that wear what you want.
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Unread 09-20-2012, 03:40 PM   #4
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I agree that it's becoming a problem. I hate that the major media ppl tend to show those "booth girls" more than the actual people at the convention. Like how when G4 was showing Pax Prime and when they were talking you could see a lot of regular cosplayers in the background but when it went to a break or to another segment you had to see those girls who are just there cause its their job instead of the thousands of cosplayers who attended. I saw an awesome assassin's creed cosplayer! But saw him for like a sec because they had to show some half naked WOW booth workers...I thought its about the fans but clearly they had other ideas..
Yea..This is SPECIFICALLY why I don't watch that crap. The SDCC one was the same way on G4. All they did was show a lot of super skimpy females and booth workers..
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My thoughts are it sounds like an awful lot of not your business.
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Unread 09-20-2012, 04:36 PM   #6
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My thoughts are it sounds like an awful lot of not your business.
Have I ever told you I love you Lithium?

Down with slut-shaming, even though no one's said that quite yet. Just thought I'd put it out there. The amount of clothing someone wears doesn't directly correlate with their personality or motives. That's that.
Here's an example: Myself. I for some reason tend to pick characters that are more scantily clad. I can assure you it's not for attention (though to be honest... cosplay is ABOUT attention. You get happy when someone asks to take your pictures or compliments you, or recognizes your character.). I am shy as shit. I'm also not flirty at all.
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Unread 09-20-2012, 04:41 PM   #7
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Who cares if I want to run around in a scantily clad outfit. I made my costume same as the rest of you and I put a lot of time and effort into my body. You don't put a lot of work pimpin' your ride just to leave it in the garage ya?
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Unread 09-20-2012, 04:43 PM   #8
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NO YOU HAVEN'T.

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I am just going to end this charming gem of a thread where it lays:

"Girls cosplay in skimpy costumes for attention-"


"But cosplay is about respectable craftsman/women and hobbyists-"


"I think women should wear more clothing-"


"They don't have to cosplay something slutty-"



And to conclude my post;


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Honestly, I don't really care what other people want to do with their cosplay. If they want to dress scantily clad for attention that isn't my business to deny them that. They don't represent me and what I do. I'm my own person. Go do cosplay however you want and not worry what everyone else is doing.
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http://comicimpact.com/2012/09/cospl...off-the-babes/

Great article pretaining to just this topic ^

I agree it's becoming a problem...and...it would be awesome if people paid less attention to boobs and more attention to the detailed cosplays and the other aspects of the hobby but...hey...it is what it is. It's a shame that the scantily clad lay a reputation for an entire hobby.
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http://comicimpact.com/2012/09/cospl...off-the-babes/

Great article pretaining to just this topic ^

I agree it's becoming a problem...and...it would be awesome if people paid less attention to boobs and more attention to the detailed cosplays and the other aspects of the hobby but...hey...it is what it is. It's a shame that the scantily clad lay a reputation for an entire hobby.
Maybe, just maybe, it's your fault that you have absolutely no self control what so ever to stare at a womans face and shouldn't be blaming her for you being a complete animal of a person who has no social skills to not stare at someones tits all day.

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Unread 09-20-2012, 05:09 PM   #12
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Ain't sure the discussion is valid on a 13+ discussion forum, but I'm old enough to realize the majority of kids on here know what porn is to begin with. Especially if they hang on 4chan/9gag.

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Please let me know your thoughts about this- I am very curious or if you have any stories you would like to share. Or if you agree or disagree.
Honestly, I think there's a perverse effect carried by the internet and con attendees. It also doesn't help that there's stuff like Cosplay Deviants out there... I'm also assuming this is solely about teh womenz.

Frankly --- porn in costume (not necessarily cosplay) has probably existed for a long-ass time and is nothing new. The problem with it spilling over to cosplay is that it gives easier ways for people to sollicit women about it. (I've seen too many comments on the internet about people being "cute" or "joking" about a cosplayer doing a spot in the nude --- nothing is only a joke).

9~10 years ago, cons weren't as widespread or heard from the internet as much, it was more of a niche thing. That I feel people did with their buds in much more private circles. At least, there wasn't a lot of communities to lurk back then (Uh, I'm a compulsive lurker --- only started being active on here 2 years ago). Now it's more public, more people are getting into it...

...and yes, there are people who do it for attention, but not always. That's where the perverse effect comes into play. Who does the casual t-shirt bearing, stereotypical male with a camera is more akin to ask for pictures at a con? Skimpily dressed women. It doesn't matter if they call themselves pro or not --- there's plenty of photographers out there who work exclusively with such models. Not just for themselves, but because there's an audience for it. Look at the albums online, look at the "hot cosplayer" articles that feature a few token guys, then devolve with the most revealing costumes you can get.

In most of the comments on a female cosplayer's pictures --- if she looks hot, it will talk about her beauty. Not the costume, rarely the pose. It's about how hot she is. It doesn't matter what the costume is made of so long as the person in it looks good. I'm pretty sure that, for lots of non-cosplayers --- women who cosplay are like booth babes.

What does this mean? Recognition from third parties outside your friends circle is bullshit. It can be good at times, especially if you're not that well-known --- but as soon as you have the looks and get a fan following.

It becomes bullshit, your craft doesn't matter --- what matters is that you look *hot* to your fan following. That's what loud, obvious recognition is about.

Discard recognition, discard contests, do it because *you* enjoy it. There's going to be folks out there for the attention of it --- their motivations don't matter and shouldn't color why anyone does what they do. You don't need to get reposted elsewhere, it's also better not being reposted XD

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In most of the comments on a female cosplayer's pictures --- if she looks hot, it will talk about her beauty. Not the costume, rarely the pose. It's about how hot she is. It doesn't matter what the costume is made of so long as the person in it looks good. I'm pretty sure that, for lots of non-cosplayers --- women who cosplay are like booth babes.

What does this mean? Recognition from third parties outside your friends circle is bullshit. It can be good at times, especially if you're not that well-known --- but as soon as you have the looks and get a fan following.

It becomes bullshit, your craft doesn't matter --- what matters is that you look *hot* to your fan following. That's what loud, obvious recognition is about.
^This.

Also how does this thread have anything to do with the title? Also Definition of Pornography: "
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: the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement
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: material (as books or a photograph) that depicts erotic behavior and is intended to cause sexual excitement
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: the depiction of acts in a sensational manner so as to arouse a quick intense emotional reaction <the pornography of violence>" as defined by webster.

And just to clear it all up, you need to be doing this intentionally.
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Unread 09-20-2012, 06:01 PM   #14
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I agree with you, I will admit being a guy I do like to see attractive girls in cosplay, but even I get tired of seeing them show way way to much skin just to get attention and people to look at them. they have to learn that showing alot of skin is not a good look. Cosplay is about showing off your creativity.
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There's a huge difference between nude and porn, nudism is just showing intimate parts, while porn is using them with sexual purposes like (let's not be too explicit) "playing" with them.

Of course, we live in a society where just showing those parts is already immoral, and I agree that it can make pervs drool and eventually commit sexual harassement, but you can't call porn something like for instance wearing an outfit similar to a bikini (which is what I understand from the example you post), cause if it was true every beach in the world would be +18 exclusive.
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