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Unread 11-05-2013, 05:14 PM   #2701
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Actually....I find that hard to believe. The con was not even half as packed as I imagined it would be, and for how many people are at AX, it's very hard to believe the number of attendees at Comikaze were even close to their rate.
The attendance numbers are listed on the Comikaze Expo Wikipedia. (The same place where AX's attendance numbers are listed.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comikaze_Expo


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime_Expo



Quick correction; It took AX 15 years to go over 40,0000 attendees, and about 19 years to go over 45,000. This is taking into account that the official unique numbers for 2010 during Lattanzio's reign is still missing in the Wikipedia site.

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Unread 11-05-2013, 06:52 PM   #2702
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Hakkaider, I would say it took them 15 years to get over 40,000 attendees, but only one year to lose that momentum and drop back under 40,000.

This is another concrete example of how the stuff that happens at the top does affect the fans. It wasn't until things were righted that they could continue to grow.

At each stage of growth, there are new problems that must be overcome, and if they cannot be overcome, then growth itself can be a very perilous thing.

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2009 - Internal Actual
Warm Bodies (All Badges) - 44,323
Warm Bodies Turnstile (All Badges) - 116,029
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2010 - Internal Actual
Warm Bodies (All Badges) - 39,723
Warm Bodies Turnstile (All Badges) - 99,830
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2011 - Internal Actual
Warm Bodies Unique (All Badges) - 46,756
Warm Bodies Turnstile (All Badges) - 136,007
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2012 - Internal Actual
Warm Bodies Unique (All Badges) - 52,377
Warm Bodies Turnstile (All Badges) - 151,967
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Unread 11-05-2013, 08:36 PM   #2703
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The attendance numbers are listed on the Comikaze Expo Wikipedia. (The same place where AX's attendance numbers are listed.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comikaze_Expo


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime_Expo



Quick correction; It took AX 15 years to go over 40,0000 attendees, and about 19 years to go over 45,000. This is taking into account that the official unique numbers for 2010 during Lattanzio's reign is still missing in the Wikipedia site.
They could always be rounding off, or the turnstile. From my personal viewing, I wouldn't even add up the numbers to be 10,000 attendees, more or less the 45,000. It just doesn't seem possible, and I think the numbers are over exaggerated greatly because it has Stan Lee involved.
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Unread 11-05-2013, 09:05 PM   #2704
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Hakkaider, I would say it took them 15 years to get over 40,000 attendees, but only one year to lose that momentum and drop back under 40,000.

This is another concrete example of how the stuff that happens at the top does affect the fans. It wasn't until things were righted that they could continue to grow.

At each stage of growth, there are new problems that must be overcome, and if they cannot be overcome, then growth itself can be a very perilous thing.

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2009 - Internal Actual
Warm Bodies (All Badges) - 44,323
Warm Bodies Turnstile (All Badges) - 116,029
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2010 - Internal Actual
Warm Bodies (All Badges) - 39,723
Warm Bodies Turnstile (All Badges) - 99,830
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2011 - Internal Actual
Warm Bodies Unique (All Badges) - 46,756
Warm Bodies Turnstile (All Badges) - 136,007
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2012 - Internal Actual
Warm Bodies Unique (All Badges) - 52,377
Warm Bodies Turnstile (All Badges) - 151,967
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You know, it's interesting to note that to this day, they won't officially release the actual unique numbers for 2010, and if you notice in the Wikipedia site, they never give out the unique numbers for that year. It took Marc Perez more than 2 years to confirm the actual unique numbers for 2010. What's also interesting is that, that 2010 was the same year that Lattanzio took over, and was fired less than a year later.
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Unread 11-06-2013, 01:39 AM   #2705
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I was where it would be more appropriate in the forum to look for a roommate for the con. I was thinking here but idk?
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Unread 11-06-2013, 03:24 AM   #2706
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I was where it would be more appropriate in the forum to look for a roommate for the con. I was thinking here but idk?
I would recommend that you make a new thread, and title it as "Looking For Roommates For **** Hotel". (Be sure to list what hotel that you are planning to book for.) In that thread, establish what the rules are for the room, and what the costs will be up front. Be sure to state that what kind of roommates that you are looking for. (Example: Non-smokers, no binge drinking, etc.)

Here's also some tips that would help you. (These are tips if you are planning to book a hotel room, and are looking for roommates.)


1. Most of the AX con hotels will allow you to have only 4 people per room at a maximum.

Some people have snucked in more people than that in the past, but if you ever get caught, the hotel can kick you all out, and cancel your reservation. (The hotel may look the other way, if it's 5 people. But if you plan to have more than 5 people, don't get caught.)

2. I wouldn't recommend more than 5-6 people in the room. 8-10 people means that you won't be able to move around. It can be done, but trust me, it won't be fun, and after 4 days of it, you may get really annoyed from the sheer lack of space. 8-10 people will mean that the restroom will always be hogged all the time. (And if 3 to 4 of them snores loudly, you won't be able to sleep well.)


3. Establish a strict set of rules right from the start. (Like no drinking or smoking or what time everyone has to be in by at night.) You have to have a strict set of rules, because this is your room, and anything that happens to it, the hotel WILL hold you responsible. (Including all damages or underage kids getting caught drinking.) If anyone won't go by your rules, or violates the rules, boot them out. Since it is under your name, you DO have that right.

4. Make sure that the roommates pay you their share up front BEFORE they step foot inside the room. Do not let them get away with excuses like, "I don't have the money now, but I'll pay back you later, or "I don't have the money now, but I'll pay you back at the end of the con". (There has been too many people who have pulled this stunt in the past, and takes advantage of people who are offering room shares. (Some of them would pack up & quickly "disappear" before the con would end & without paying their share.) No money-no hotel room. It may sound strict,, but you don't want to be taken advantage of, and be left holding the bill.

5. The Hotel will only issue you a limited amount of keycards that's equal to the amount of people who are "Officially" staying in the room. ("Official", means the names of the people who are registered in the hotel room.) If you have 4 people, you may get 4-5 cards. If you have 2 people, you may get 2-3 keycards. You need to establish who will get to keep the keycards during the entire stay. (Obviously, the owner should have one.) Those who don't have keycards will have to work out a plan, when they can meet with you so they can come in the room with you. Keep in mind that anyone whose name is not registered, does not exist in the eyes of the hotel.

6. Establish a set curfew at night. Otherwise, you are going to have roommates coming at 3am or 4 am. in the morning. If they don't have a keycard, they are going to be knocking or banging at the door to get in during the wee hours of the morning. (And get the attention of hotel security.)

7. Safety is always a priority. If you don't trust a potential roommate, and suspect something suspicious, you are under no obligation to give them the room. (There has been cases when roommates stole stuff like money & even clothes in the past. Some would also steal the keycard, so be sure to keep that with you at all times.)

8. If the roommates are strangers, trust noone. Do not leave any valuables when you leave the room, or have them all stored in the room's safety deposit box. (If it's old friends or relatives, it's a different story.)

9. Establish a set of rules from the beginning who is going to sleep where, and where they can store their personal belongings. This will help prevent arguments or disagreements later. If they don't like it, you can always show them the door.

10. Establish a strict rule that roommates cannot bring their friends without prior notice to crash in the room. The room space is for for the paying roommates only, and not their non paying friends. Don't listen to the excuse of "But my friends has nowhere else to go, and they are all broke". Avoid last minute show ups as well. Make a print out list of who has payed for the room, and are confirmed.


Note: On the other hand, if you are just planning to room with anyone, and don't have a hotel room planned out, here's are some tips as well:

1. Be sure to pay by check or money order. Or even Paypal. If you have to pay by cash, make sure that there is a receipt from the person booking the room. Also, be sure to insist that your name is included on the official list on the hotel room. The reason for this, is that there are some shady people who would take your cash, and then say you never paid for it. (This has happened in the past numerous times.) You have to make sure that there is proof & a record that you have paid for it. If the person refuses to give a record that you had paid for it, avoid dealing with that person at all costs.

2. If you have a bad feeling about the person who is handling the hotel room, or that something is not kosher about the person, trust your instincts, and look some place else.

3. Make sure that you are compatible with your roommates, and discuss with the room owner what is to be expected & what the rules are upfront.

3. Be sure to save up & pay for your hotel room costs. No matter how much some people are going to beg, strangers won't give the rooms out for free.

4. Remember to pay up in front. It's never a good idea to wait to pay up until the end of the con. It's too tempting to use up all your money before the con is over, and then not have anything left to pay for the room.


Here's also an good article about anime cons & hotel rooms from a hotel clerk:

http://flyingcatnall.tumblr.com/post...andom-look-bad



Good luck, and I hope your experience at AX will be great for 2014.

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Unread 11-06-2013, 11:31 AM   #2707
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Ever since AX moved to LA, prices have skyrocketed, and they continue to jump every year. (Marc's insistence in staying in LA at all costs is resulting in higher costs for both the con & the attendees.)
Funny you should say that. There are people on the AX forums who have been trying to convince me (and others of course) that Anaheim is more expensive, and perpetuating the myth that Disney jacks up prices in the area. They totally ignored me when I pointed out that chain restaurants in the area, like CPK, Denny's, and IHOP have prices that are comparable with other Orange County restaurants in those chains. Also, the area's hotels cater to tourists and families, and are not ultra high luxury hotels like the Ritz-Carlton, so the room rates are lower. You can find budget hotels within walking distance of the Anaheim Convention Center; you're not going to find them around the Los Angeles Convention Center though. Disney can only control prices within its theme parks, where it owns and operates the restaurants. In Downtown Disney, they can no more control the prices than Simon Property Group can control prices at Westminster Mall. Off of Disney property, they don't even have that leverage.
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Unread 11-06-2013, 11:56 AM   #2708
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Attention everyone. Rooms for JW and Westin for AX 2014 are now up. $194 per night with JW and $170 for Westin.
http://www.anime-expo.org/accommodations/
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Disney is just disney, the truth is the area around Disneyland and Anaheim Convention Center is so overbuilt with hotels that it keeps the prices down, even among the tier 1 hotels (those within throwing distance to the convention center).

Most fans don't want or expect luxury, they just want a place to sleep for the night.

And while the hotels may not have as much in terms of ballroom or other space to offer, things are much closer together so space is ultimately more useful (and no need for shuttle services). The ACC does cost significantly less to run a convention in, especially when all the actual costs are considered. We know this from looking at the financial statements from years when the con was held in Anaheim versus Downtown Los Angeles. They can say what they want on the forums or wherever, but ultimately the SPJA is not a privately held business so their finances are at somewhat transparent to us.

No one is saying Anaheim is perfect, but if one has to choose between running a convention in Los Angeles or Anaheim, it's clearly the better of the two for a number of reasons.

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Unread 11-06-2013, 06:13 PM   #2710
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Attention everyone. Rooms for JW and Westin for AX 2014 are now up. $194 per night with JW and $170 for Westin.
http://www.anime-expo.org/accommodations/
Holy smokes...The date for Sunday, July 6, 2014 for the J.W. Marriott is already sold out. (July 6 is the last day of AX 2014.)



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Funny you should say that. There are people on the AX forums who have been trying to convince me (and others of course) that Anaheim is more expensive, and perpetuating the myth that Disney jacks up prices in the area. They totally ignored me when I pointed out that chain restaurants in the area, like CPK, Denny's, and IHOP have prices that are comparable with other Orange County restaurants in those chains. Also, the area's hotels cater to tourists and families, and are not ultra high luxury hotels like the Ritz-Carlton, so the room rates are lower. You can find budget hotels within walking distance of the Anaheim Convention Center; you're not going to find them around the Los Angeles Convention Center though. Disney can only control prices within its theme parks, where it owns and operates the restaurants. In Downtown Disney, they can no more control the prices than Simon Property Group can control prices at Westminster Mall. Off of Disney property, they don't even have that leverage.

I saw your posts when I was reading the AX forums, and I couldn't help shaking my head. The thing is that, no matter how much facts that you would present them, some of the people at that forum would continue to support ANY actions by the SPJA. (No matter how bad the decisions are.) Some of these people back then, had even openly spouted their support for Lattanzio, and made some personal attacks at the people who had questioned Lattanzio's actions. (Even Marc Perez himself, had admitted in this very forum here, that Lattanzio was a mistake.)

After the huge X-Games debacle, some of them were going off about how it was a good thing that the X-Games was at the same time as AX. (Some of them were even putting down people & making personal attacks toward people who had trouble with the drunken X-Gamers.)


Some of them would also get mad at anyone, who would question any bad decisions from the SPJA. For some of these people, you aren't supposed to think on your own. You are supposed to just blindly follow, be blindly loyal, and cheerfully accept whatever the SPJA throws at you, without question. (Personally, my loyalty is to the fans, rather than to the SPJA. Without the fans, the SPJA wouldn't even exist.)

You could relocate AX right in the middle of a hostile gang territory, and some of these people will still proclaim that it was best decision & location ever, since the invention of sliced bread. (And the people who would dare to question the decision, would be told by some of these people to just shut up, and that they are either disloyal to the SPJA or are anti-AX.)

This is one of the reasons that I have stopped posting there for some time now.

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Unread 11-06-2013, 11:07 PM   #2711
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People on the AX FB page seem to have forgotten that AX posted about rooming being open for JW and Bonaventure right after AX ended, thus likely why certain nights at the JW Marriott are not available. I also find it hilarious that while the reservation system has been up for awhile that AX didn't see fit to post about it on Twitter until last night...lol, fail
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Sorry. I have been dealing with personal issues and work.

Firstly, here's my Comikaze report, including a few AX comparisons:

http://www.missionstartpodcast.com/3...ght-track.html

Next, you guys have discussed some things that I will not comment on simply because it would just go over the same points and it's not worth shaking the same trees again.

And, I used the reservation system WAAAAAAY back when it first opened. The shoulder dates at the J.W. weren't available then, either. There almost seems to be no rhyme or reason to it, but I went ahead and made my reservations today anyway. It was frustrating. The system sent me confirmations for every 2 or 3 attempts for a room. I eventually had the number I needed, but when I made a request of the Housing Bureau, they informed me I had 2 more reservations than I had confirmations for. I'm waiting for an e-mail from them with a list of my reservation numbers.

Seems that things are already off to a rocky start.
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Unread 11-07-2013, 02:09 AM   #2713
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Firstly, here's my Comikaze report, including a few AX comparisons:

http://www.missionstartpodcast.com/3...ght-track.html

Great blog, Freight!


I hope you don't mind, but I have to comment on some of your posts in your blog.

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This is another situation where I want to seriously know why Anime Expo registration can be such an arduous affair when other conventions in the same building can be so slick. I lined up at 9:00 a.m., two hours before registration. Their registration opened on time at 11:00 a.m., I was about 15 people back in line, and my total wait time during active registration was… 6 minutes. That’s quite a feat when there appears to only be 12 to 18 people with scanners. They scan your confirmation, and immediately hand you a badge. You walk to another table where they give you a lanyard and a badge holder, and you’re done.

Same here. I was in line for no more 6 minutes. (Whereas both you and I were in line in the hot July sun for hours at AX.)



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Comic-Con still has the best, friendliest staff I have ever encountered… but now, I have a close second-favorite.

Comikaze’s people were more than helpful a lot of the time. They actually seemed to care what kind of time the attendees were having. Early on Day 1, I ran into two staffers who held up paddles and were looking warily at the attendees. I thought it was some kind of line control until I came close. The paddles said, “Ask Me!” I’ve seen conventions answer questions as they came, but this was the first time I’ve seen people with clipboards of information actually solicit questions before they are asked.

The thing I wasn’t prepared for was how well the Los Angeles Convention Center staff worked with the Comikaze staff. After personal experiences from this July hitting a new low, the staff the LACC assigned to Comikaze were helpful and offered suggestions. If their suggestions didn’t work, they wanted to know so they had the correct answers.

Where were these people for AX?!
I have to agree 100%. I did not encounter a single rude staff at Comikaze. None. They were all very professional, and very courteous & polite. On the other hand, the rude staffers & rude volunteers have pretty much become routine for me at AX. (It's getting to the point that I would be very surprised & would be a bit disappointed if I don't see the routine rudeness at AX.)

Also, more than half the time when I would ask the AX personnel about a panel, concerts, last minute program changes, etc., they would either shrug, because they don't the answers, or they would get real snippy about it.

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I said it last year, but someone from the SPJA should contact Comikaze and ask how they can match their process.
Unfortunately, it's not likely to happen. Some of the SPJA people are too arrogant to listen to anyone else. In the past, some of them get very defensive and hostile when people try to give them feedback on how to improve their convention. (However, there are SPJA people like Hcoregamer, who do really care & would listen to the concerns of the fans. Unfortunately he was voted out of the SPJA.)

You can have Stan Lee, Steven Spielberg & George Lucas come to their SPJA office, and give them pointers on how to improve their con, and some of them will still be too stubborn & arrogant to really listen to them. ( I can already see Allison McKnight cussing & swearing at George Lucas, Stan Lee & Steven Spielberg, and threatening to escort them out of the office with security. Heck...If the ghost of Walt Disney shows up, she'll swear at him & kick him out too. Some people are just too arrogant & stubborn to listen to anything, and they have to learn things the hard way.)

I remember when you recounted the story a few years ago, when had tried to call the SPJA office directly, and you gave them some suggestions. A person on the other side of the phone was writing it down on paper, and I remember when you said after the conversation had ended, you could clearly hear him crumpling up the paper.


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And, I used the reservation system WAAAAAAY back when it first opened. The shoulder dates at the J.W. weren't available then, either. There almost seems to be no rhyme or reason to it, but I went ahead and made my reservations today anyway. It was frustrating. The system sent me confirmations for every 2 or 3 attempts for a room. I eventually had the number I needed, but when I made a request of the Housing Bureau, they informed me I had 2 more reservations than I had confirmations for. I'm waiting for an e-mail from them with a list of my reservation numbers.

Seems that things are already off to a rocky start.
A rocky start? That seems to be the case with AX every year ever since 2010. It would seem that for the last 3 years, AX would always give me a big headache compared to Wondercon, Comikaze Expo or DragonCon. I would come out smiling from ear to ear after those three cons would end, but I always get this big headache after AX ends. Prior to 2010, I would come "hungry", and leave happy after AX. (I know, I know, I sound like a bad IHOP commercial.)

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Unread 11-08-2013, 12:46 AM   #2714
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A rocky start? That seems to be the case with AX every year ever since 2010. It would seem that for the last 3 years, AX would always give me a big headache compared to Wondercon, Comikaze Expo or DragonCon. I would come out smiling from ear to ear after those three cons would end, but I always get this big headache after AX ends. Prior to 2010, I would come "hungry", and leave happy after AX. (I know, I know, I sound like a bad IHOP commercial.)
It's worse than I've usually had. Usually, I don't have a question of what I have or what I need. This year, I got the e-mail back. I have a number of e-mails in my account of confirmations. According to the Housing Bureau, I have TWENTY-FIVE RESERVATIONS! I know I NEVER received 25 e-mails. I have to straighten this out.
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Unread 11-22-2013, 08:22 PM   #2715
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Good news (?),

I checked their FB page and saw their Black Friday/Cyber Monday deal, it's to be announced.

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