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Unread 02-19-2018, 10:34 PM   #1
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Smile Dancing Rain Gun Prop

Hey guys and gals I am cosplaying as Dancing Rain from The King's Avatar this year and I am beginning to work on her gun prop. I have stumbled upon a few issues.

Firstly cannot find a cheap Acrylic Tube that at least 4inch diameter and 15-16 inches long for a fair price lol... Any suggestions?

Also, I am concerned about support since the barrel is see-through means all my support will be where it connects. I wasn't sure what the best secure way would be to keep the tube from collapsing off the main gun portion.

Any other tips/tricks for large gun crafting would be great first time making a prop gun.

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Unread 02-20-2018, 01:08 PM   #2
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Define fair price. There are many people with many differing price ranges.

Otherwise I'd suggest a soda bottle such as this. https://www.shopyourway.com/dr-peppe...ottle/55581419. Relative dimensions should be within the right ball park in relation with diameter. But for length, you might have to seam two of these together.

I don't quite understand your structural problem as it all seems to be connected on the outside.
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Unread 02-20-2018, 02:40 PM   #3
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Well im orried if i dont put it together right it ill fall apart lol.. And because the barrel is clear i cant have a dowel running thru it. But ty for other suggestion.will it leave seam marks in the plastic if i heat it together? Any tips for smoothing out the seam [this is my second prop first was a sword]
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Unread 02-20-2018, 07:05 PM   #4
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Unfortunately it will leave a mark if you seam it.

However there is another alternative. https://www.target.com/p/utz-gourmet-caramel-popcorn-clusters-20-oz/-/A-15207257?ref=tgt_adv_XS000000&AFID=google_pla_df&C PNG=PLA_Grocery+Essentials+Shopping&adgroup=SC_Gro cery&LID=700000001170770pgs&network=s&device=c&loc ation=9032168&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI0IKD8-e12QIVHrjACh3SmAK2EAQYAyABEgLNovD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

It's dimensions are close to what you are looking for with a diameter of 4.25'' and a length of 11''.

Put in the picture you posted there are exterior parts that connect to the main tube. Shouldn't that make it solid?
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Unread 02-20-2018, 07:22 PM   #5
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It could -ponders- I could make them like grips on either side with a dowel rod and secure it back into the main gun part. Hmm my only issue is barrel size atm then i cant really "start" until i get the barrel since that will change a lot of the sizes for the design.

Oh good idea on the caramel that gives me an idea to go to my local grocery store and just hunt around lmao! Thanks!
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Unread 02-20-2018, 07:32 PM   #6
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Alright so I did some searching found this. It's 4.25 x 14.25 I believe which yes will shorten it but I may have a way to ignore that and make it "appear" longer and its pretty cheap so no harm in ordering it and seeing.

https://www.containerandpackaging.co...-canister/B069

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Unread 02-21-2018, 08:52 AM   #7
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I don't understand the issues with having a seam, there are outside supports that will hide a seam all along the length. Thus using much thinner acrylic sheeting and rolling/ gluing it will save money AND weight on the finished product.

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Well im orried if i dont put it together right it ill fall apart lol
The key to avoiding this problem is: don't rely on glue to be a structural support.
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/538039486726887663/
I don't have anyplace else to upload pictures, so there's the link with where your structural support needs to be. Note that the dowels runt through/ past major intersections.
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Unread 02-21-2018, 10:06 AM   #8
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Thank you Idk why I felt like I needed a solid tube lol. Overthinking it I suppose I'll hunt down a plastic sheet I can melt together cause you are right I won't see the seam if it is under the bar.

Just making sure I do this right the first time.

Thanks again. If you have any other suggestions or tips for other parts of the gun for me to avoid a headache would appreciate it as well. ^^

I'm thinking of using large lids glued together against each other to make some of the cylinder sections then make a hole for the dowel rod or supports to go through before gluing it down. should work out.
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Unread 02-21-2018, 11:28 AM   #9
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Yes, dowels are good. The longer you can make it and pass it through more sections of thing-being-built the better

The lightweight acrylic sheets can be got at train hobbyist shops, they use it for windows in tiny buildings. And you don't need to melt that weight, use super glue
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Unread 02-21-2018, 02:57 PM   #10
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The "Alvin" company makes shipping tubes that may suit your needs. We've used something similar to make a clear gun prop. I don't think this is the exact one that we used - these are only 2.75" diameter.
https://www.alvinco.com/Shop/Product...=2077&NID=6108

The one you listed might work too.


I have also used clear acrylic from the hardware store to make a tube, for a light-up wizard staff. You have to work slowly, use heat-resistant gloves and have heat-resistant hands, and have something else (like a very heavy-duty cardboard tube or a PVC pipe) to form your acrylic around.
Trying to make a nice tube by hand, without rolling the acrylic around a buck of some sort, will not go well.

Getting the two ends to butt together nicely is also difficult, but you should be able to disguise this with the top and bottom rails along the barrel.


Here's the Barbarella gun we made with a shipping tube:
https://flic.kr/p/buE1Eh

The pics of my wizard staff are in my Photobucket, but Photobucket is downright terrible and unusable any more.
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Unread 02-28-2018, 07:48 PM   #11
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So I have gone through many things trying them out and I was curious could I use a heavy gauged clear vinyl to make a cylinder? Since it will be held with dowels on 4 sides and I could make a circular wire for the top to keep the shape and it will glue into the tubing near the gun base.

opinions? this may be the best thing and if its thicker could be easier to keep it held together and straight.
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i would stick to plastics, otherwise you transport it in a sunny car and it looses shape
when you depend on suplementary structure to maintain a shape

as much as spending extra money sux, use your premade options like shipping tubes,
the benefit comes from a uniform product, and the decrease in stress and hassle
from not making it

hand making an entire thing can be horribly painfull,
spending wisely, and putting "sweat equity" into more managable or "by hand only" parts
makes a project run smoother

making all of that in plastic may get expensive though

id sugest making a decent amount of it using cardboard and cardstock
(cardstock isnt the cheapest, but theres more uses for cardstock than various bits of plastic
leftovers)

corrugated cardboard sandwiched with cardstock (2 layers of paper per side) for larger pieces

and regular 110 cardstock for other parts
(3 layers, for rolled paper work while its still drying ~70% dry,
a bit of heat can help also, use hairdryer rather than heat gun though)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9twzsSILUk (the method indepth)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19sc-yfQRNs (making rounded parts)

anything that needs extra stability/durability can be painted with superglue
making it quite solid
(beware of fumes, be smarter than me and use a cartridge respirator, and goggles
though im still not keen on how goggles help any with those "vents" on the underside and all that)
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yeah vinyl like for covering tablecloths will be very difficult to keep taut enough to look like a hard surface. I'd stick to the sheets.
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Unread 03-01-2018, 12:25 PM   #14
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i would stick to plastics, otherwise you transport it in a sunny car and it looses shape
when you depend on suplementary structure to maintain a shape

as much as spending extra money sux, use your premade options like shipping tubes,
the benefit comes from a uniform product, and the decrease in stress and hassle
from not making it

hand making an entire thing can be horribly painfull,
spending wisely, and putting "sweat equity" into more managable or "by hand only" parts
makes a project run smoother

making all of that in plastic may get expensive though

id sugest making a decent amount of it using cardboard and cardstock
(cardstock isnt the cheapest, but theres more uses for cardstock than various bits of plastic
leftovers)

corrugated cardboard sandwiched with cardstock (2 layers of paper per side) for larger pieces

and regular 110 cardstock for other parts
(3 layers, for rolled paper work while its still drying ~70% dry,
a bit of heat can help also, use hairdryer rather than heat gun though)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9twzsSILUk (the method indepth)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19sc-yfQRNs (making rounded parts)

anything that needs extra stability/durability can be painted with superglue
making it quite solid
(beware of fumes, be smarter than me and use a cartridge respirator, and goggles
though im still not keen on how goggles help any with those "vents" on the underside and all that)
Yea the only thing that's bothering me atm is finding stuff to use for the barrel. I've messaged a few people on eBay selling Christmas ornaments for the dimensions of their containers and it seems like that might be the way to go but ill have to sacrifice some width to make it work.

^^ But I actually feel like going the bottle method will work best and its lighter and more within my budget and if I but them and melt them at the right section the seam will be barely noticeable. (hopefully lol)
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