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Unread 02-04-2007, 12:41 AM   #1
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Weapons Policy: A fresh sheet of paper

We had nominally the same weapons policy last year as this year, but they were differently enforced. Without getting into that whole discussion, since it's been hashed and rehashed elsewhere, let me try something out on you guys:

What if we started over with our weapons policy?

We'll be inside the convention center building. We can pretty much write our own rules. Weapons outside of the building = it's between you and the Burbank P.D. But inside the building, what makes sense? We are near a busy airport, but how much of that outside world should affect our world inside the convention center building?

We need to strike a balance between the needs of the individual and the needs of the crowds. Can we start with agreeing that you shouldn't hit other people with your weapon? What other rules, if any, do we actually need?
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Unread 02-04-2007, 01:03 AM   #2
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I think it'd be a good idea (if we are, indeed, inside the convention center) if a "no weapons outside the convention center" rule was enforced. I wasn't allowed to carry a prop weapon at AX, and I completely respected that. I think everyone here would much rather put away their weapon outside than be shot by LAPD... ^^;; Basically, if you have a prop that looks like it could hurt someone, when you exit the convention center, put it in a bag or something AND KEEP IT THERE until you go back in/get to your hotel room. If someone asks for a picture of you with it, tough luck--go back into the convention center.

I don't know how big the Burbank CC is, but I think it makes sense to say "no swinging your prop around". Not like many cosplayers would... but just to set the record straight. Also, I think it's not much to ask that all prop guns be solely plastic. As in, no airsoft that have been "disabled". Having an orange tip would be nice too, just so that someone who hasn't read the weapons policy won't freak out if they see a prop gun.

Now, outdoor gatherings... that could be a problem. :/ Maybe have specific areas designated as photo areas where prop weapons are okay? Or indoor cosplay areas! ^^
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Unread 02-04-2007, 01:13 AM   #3
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My beef with your weapons policy was always on the Airsoft issue. But as you mentioned you want to start over, so if I may suggest some ideas for the airsoft rules, I'd like to post them.

1= "Orange Tips" on the airsofts are always a must. That's always a start. No orange tip, no go.

2= Implement what I dubbed "Broken Gun" policy. Broken Gun is a rule in which the Airsoft MUST be UNABLE to fire period. This means removal of the trigger, a "stationary" clip or magazine (can be glued in place or simply removed from the airsoft) and a Disabled cocking mechanism. (Can be achieved by gluing it in place)

3= And of course, make sure that the airsoft in question is inspected by your staff to see if the "broken gun" rules are applied to set item. If not, then they are confiscated and not returned until the person leaves the event.

Ultimately, if the individual or individuals DON'T want to alter their airsofts, they can opt to NOT bring them to the event.

I mean, in the end, it is your convention and you ultimately decide which rules are implemented. If you wish to continue discussing this, drop me a PM and we can set something up.

Thanks for the con though, it's fun.

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Unread 02-04-2007, 01:40 AM   #4
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Or indoor cosplay areas! ^^
I don't want to be steering the discussion too much, I'm a lot more interested in seeing what you all have to say. But let me go ahead and say: yes, I'm planning on an indoor cosplay area. I think it's "Sunset A" but I'm going off of memory; it's the room across from Academy 4. A room with a backdrop and a bunch of extra lamps (probably cheap ones from Ikea, not professional floodlights). Possibly -- if someone wants to volunteer their artistic services -- one plain backdrop, and one decorated one. Maybe something that says "Anime Los Angeles 4 - Burbank California - January 2008"? Maybe something that looks like a nice outdoor landscaped area? Anyhow, some kind of backdrop(s), at a bare minimum a plain one. Room to be left open pretty much all day and into the evening. Maybe one or two chairs and a table, but basically not much in the line of furniture.

Okay, I'll go back to lurking and watching you guys come up with ideas. I'm not ruling out ANYTHING yet, as far as rules inside the convention center building, so don't be shy, okay?
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Unread 02-04-2007, 01:42 AM   #5
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I'd love to see a weapon policy that didn't call for peace binding prop swords that are an inch thick. Even though I make my weapons thick, cumbersome and unrealistic to follow and work around weapon guidelines, I still get harrassed about carrying foam swords.

In short, a good rule in regard to swords would be only peace binding things that are actually dangerous like live steel, or anything sharp, but if it can't cut someone not to peace bond it. If you're going to peace bind everything that can hurt someone, then fly swatters, chopsticks, hands and long hair should be peace bonded as well, right? =P
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Unread 02-04-2007, 01:57 AM   #6
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Yeah, somebody should peace-bind my Axel wig, since I kept accidentally poking people in the face with it XP
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Unread 02-04-2007, 02:45 AM   #7
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I'd say a nice, safe "No live-steel" rule is a good base. I totally agree with Master Zero on the airsoft policy.

As far as non-airsoft guns go, I'd say really fake-looking, non-working prop guns should be allowed inside our convention space, but not outside. Similar guidelines to what Serey-chan said. No real-looking guns without orange tips at all. The definition of "Real-looking" can be determined by the staff on a case-by case basis, but I'd say basically guns made of plastic or metal and painted to look like a gun.

Other props, i.e. wooden swords, should be allowed as long as you don't swing them around and whack people (basically the long-standing ALA policy).
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Unread 02-04-2007, 04:04 AM   #8
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I like the idea of the broken gun policy - not having anything gun-like at all this year interefered a bit with my costume. It was a bit disappointing to have to do the 4Kids version of my David costume.

Also, whatever the weapon's policy ends up being, maybe you could have a layman's version of it? ^^; I admit I was a little confused by the one online, and I had to email the con for clarification.
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Unread 02-04-2007, 08:14 AM   #9
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I'd love to see a weapon policy that didn't call for peace binding prop swords that are an inch thick. Even though I make my weapons thick, cumbersome and unrealistic to follow and work around weapon guidelines, I still get harrassed about carrying foam swords.

In short, a good rule in regard to swords would be only peace binding things that are actually dangerous like live steel, or anything sharp, but if it can't cut someone not to peace bond it. If you're going to peace bind everything that can hurt someone, then fly swatters, chopsticks, hands and long hair should be peace bonded as well, right? =P
you have a point hasu but more or less its anything that can cause some serious damage. A fly swatter will sting, but a 1 inch thick foam swoard might hurt, or it may not look like what you actually made it of. ALA has just been so protective with its rules, It bugs me too cus i got a few good Stares carrying around Zaba on my hips but luckily thats where i kept him.
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Unread 02-04-2007, 09:44 AM   #10
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Ditto on the "no steel" rule.

Maybe I'm just the odd one out here, but I think it's more important to keep the con attendees safe then have a *whatever fo realz gun or sword it really is inserted here* in a picture. But we can agree to disagree

I'm not really sure how badly the rules need to be changed. I mean, the last thing we all need is some crazy kid running around inside the con center waving their weapon about and possibly hurting someone. I just think the weapons policy should perhaps be a little more lax when it comes to wooden weapons or foam or something that clearly isn't real. I've had my Escaflowne sword peace-bonded on many occassions which is unfortunate because it's a key-piece to my costume... and it's all made out of wood. Incredibly light-weight wood for that matter. If any damage were to be done, it was from the person peace-bonding it.
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Unread 02-04-2007, 01:17 PM   #11
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I think one rule that we should have is basically "One strike and your out"

The Weapon rules will be lax and con-goer friendly and we'll give you the benefit of the doubt.


But if you end up hurting someone with your weapon (either by accident or sheer stupidity) then it gets confiscated and returned to you at the end of the convention.


Really, the Con is willing to treat everyone like a responisible adult and give you our trust that you will behave with your weapon and use it responsibly.

But once you violate that trust, that's it.. no more weapon for you.

This will discourage people from purposely trying to break/test the rules simply because they can.


If you're stupid enough to not know how to handle a weapon in close quarters, then you really don't deserve to have one in the first place.


This can also be applied to other things as well.
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Unread 02-04-2007, 02:33 PM   #12
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I think one rule that we should have is basically "One strike and your out"

The Weapon rules will be lax and con-goer friendly and we'll give you the benefit of the doubt.


But if you end up hurting someone with your weapon (either by accident or sheer stupidity) then it gets confiscated and returned to you at the end of the convention.
The problem with that is that people will see it as a "one warning" type of thing. We don't want to be quite that lax. We don't want people to get hurt at all, so I think the safest thing to do would be to have staff members roaming the cosplay areas and keeping an eye on people with props. Even having the staff go up and talk to people with props, letting them know what the weapon policy is so that accidents like that won't happen at all.
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Unread 02-04-2007, 04:02 PM   #13
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The problem with that is that people will see it as a "one warning" type of thing. We don't want to be quite that lax. We don't want people to get hurt at all, so I think the safest thing to do would be to have staff members roaming the cosplay areas and keeping an eye on people with props. Even having the staff go up and talk to people with props, letting them know what the weapon policy is so that accidents like that won't happen at all.
No no, Not One Warning. That's 2 strikes and you're out.

You screw up once, we don't give you a chance to do it again. I've spoken to several attendees with prop weapons and semi-real weapons, and typically the response is that swinging it around to hurt someone or break something will result in more damage done to the prop itself. I'm not too worried about these people. It's the few rogue trouble makers.

And unlike Mirandizing, telling people face to face what the rules are is not federal law. If they don't read our policy, which we happily provide in multiple locations, they've just forfeited their One warning. "Ignorance is no excuse."
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Unread 02-04-2007, 05:13 PM   #14
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my only in put on this convo is we should be alloud wepons for pictures and our that we can "pretend" fight with them for pictures sake...but otherwise...i have no preference..just remember..big props are not always harmful...my friend has a huge key she carries around that sometimes she is not alloud to take it places just because its big....then again...i think all of what im saying has been said...i do strongly agree with the orange tip rule and as much as i understand everyone hating peace bonding i think its very efficiant and its a good idea...just get clear peacebonding tags.
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My take on the weapons policy:

No live steel. Thats for sure. Of course no swinging of weapons or play fighting. Not to say you can't stage a pose for a picture.

The prop gun policy ... I'm on the fence about that one. I'm all for the the no prop gun policy, airsoft, etc ... Maybe because I understand that the Airtel was on the doorstep of an airport. Anyways ... if the prop guns are gonna be allowed ... just as long as its kept indoors. Thats my two cents.
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