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Unread 07-28-2014, 02:40 PM   #1
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A debate.

So a few friends and I are debating whether or not a dude cosplaying Sheik from the Legend of Zelda series is crossplay. What are your views?

(Please note: this is totally just a debate for lighthearted fun!)
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Unread 07-28-2014, 03:15 PM   #2
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Okay, I had to read up on who that guy even is, and the zelda wiki brought up the following points: In the Zelda universe Sheik is generally referred to as male, and also looks male, no breasts, typical male body shape. In the Super Smash Bros series Sheik is referred to as female though and also has clearly visible breasts.

So, to give my verdict: Depends on whether or not that guy puts in fake boobs. If not its the Zelda-Sheik, which is male, if he does, its the SSB one.


But you could ask the same way if Natsuru Senou from Kämpfer should be considered a crossplay. It just depends which one you choose.
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Unread 07-28-2014, 08:39 PM   #3
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If you're a male cosplaying as a woman who is presenting as male, yes, it is crossplay. Just as when females cosplay as that kid from Black Butler who is male but apparently crossdresses at some point (ciel?) in the dress he wears is also crossplay.

If the gender of the character, no matter how they are presenting, is opposite to your gender, no matter how YOU present normally, it's crossplay.

It's also crossplay if transgender cosplayers cosplay a character of their biologically assigned sex, no matter how that character presents.

For intersex cosplayers, I am guessing everything pretty much counts as crossplay if they want it to.
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Unread 07-28-2014, 09:16 PM   #4
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If you're a male cosplaying as a woman who is presenting as male, yes, it is crossplay. Just as when females cosplay as that kid from Black Butler who is male but apparently crossdresses at some point (ciel?) in the dress he wears is also crossplay.

If the gender of the character, no matter how they are presenting, is opposite to your gender, no matter how YOU present normally, it's crossplay.

It's also crossplay if transgender cosplayers cosplay a character of their biologically assigned sex, no matter how that character presents.

For intersex cosplayers, I am guessing everything pretty much counts as crossplay if they want it to.
I'm genderfluid, so I guess technically whether something is crossplay or not depends on the day. But I mainly identify as female, so I really only consider male outfits crossplays unless I'm at a con on a male/nonbinary gender day.

For OP, I think what builder396 said is right. For characters whose genders are changed in different games, (i.e. Birdo) I guess it depends on which version you are cosplaying.
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Unread 07-29-2014, 07:21 AM   #5
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If you're a male cosplaying as a woman who is presenting as male, yes, it is crossplay. Just as when females cosplay as that kid from Black Butler who is male but apparently crossdresses at some point (ciel?) in the dress he wears is also crossplay.

If the gender of the character, no matter how they are presenting, is opposite to your gender, no matter how YOU present normally, it's crossplay.

It's also crossplay if transgender cosplayers cosplay a character of their biologically assigned sex, no matter how that character presents.

For intersex cosplayers, I am guessing everything pretty much counts as crossplay if they want it to.
Do you mind defining "intersex cosplay"? I think if we want an actual debate, this could be a goldmine, since as you said, it depends on what everyone thinks for himself.
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Unread 07-29-2014, 11:01 AM   #6
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Intersex is defined as people who have characteristics of both genders. Most intersex people ive met(and ive met quite a few) dont identify as genderfluid, bigender, or agender though, they usually identify as male or female. So as belligerent said, whichever gender they identify as, the opposite would be crossplay for them.

As for Sheik, the creator officially stated she is female, in OoT, and SSBB/ SSBM. So if guy cosplays her, its crossplay, if a girl does it, its regular cosplay.
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