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Unread 01-21-2015, 11:00 AM   #1
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Skit. What would YOU like to see? best option

My sister and I have competed in the World Cosplay Summit the past 2 years. Both of our skits were dance based skits, and a bit more slow. Next time around we have been thinking maybe the reason we have not done well is because we were doing dances, so we through next time we should do something completely different. battle skit, or super cute peppy skit, to change it up. But recently i have though maybe it wasnt because we were dancing, it was because the dance style.

So from an outside perceptive, what would be your opinion? Should be completely change up our skits and do a strictly non dance based skit. or just change up the style. say sword dancing and fast paced....like Bollywood fast paced.

links to videos of our skits:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-cl=85114404&v=G_arkQ2aQkg&x-yt-ts=1422579428
https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-c...-ts=1422579428

please take a look and maybe give out an opinion. We really want to do better next time around!
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Unread 01-29-2015, 07:28 PM   #2
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Your videos on the website aren't showing up for me. Do you have them hosted anywhere else, like YouTube? I see they aren't on your group's Facebook.

Without having seen your videos, I can only give some general advice.

There are a lot of dance skits, and many are either poorly executed (not rehearsed enough so people make mistakes, not planned for the size of space they are in, costumes don't move well, etc.) or bore non-fans of that show/series/game because nothing (plot-wise) is happening. I'll admit, I usually don't pay much attention to dance skits because most fail to hold my attention. I'll watch for 15-30 seconds and then turn my mind elsewhere. A dance skit (particularly for a fandom I don't care about) has to have a GREAT opening to keep me watching.

I think it might be helpful for your group to think about why you feel so strongly pulled to do dance skits. Is choreographing dance a skill you have that is much stronger than your script writing? Are your costumes things that move wonderfully, or are there better ways to display them? Are your characters ones that suit the chosen styles of dance? Do you have props that can be used better in a fight scene than a dance? Do your dances have a plot understandable to the non-fans, or are you all just twirling around?
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i edited the first post with direct youtube links (weird that the videos didnt show up on our site, they are through youtube as well)
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Unread 02-01-2015, 12:29 PM   #4
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After seeing both videos, this is what I've noticed:

1. The Spirited Away one seems a bit too slow. I don't know if this rule applies to dances as well as regular skits, but in skits you need to have something new every 10 seconds. I felt that some parts, especially the fan part, were too long without introducing anything new. I did really like the idea of Chihiro's costume changing behind the bathhouse! As someone who has seen Spirited Away numerous times, I understood everything that was going on. However, had I never heard of SA, I'd probably be thoroughly confused.

2. I don't know what your characters are from, but it was fairly easy to grasp the main idea of the dance. It was faster-paced, but not too fast, and looked better choreographed. I can't think of anything I could tell you to do to improve it.

3. By "dance skits" at first I thought you meant doing one of those "random dancing" or meme skits, (Haruhi Suzumiya dance, Gangnam Style, Caramelldansen, that kind of thing) but I like how yours tell stories. Dance skits tend not to impress judges unless they're super special, though.
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i like the idea/rule of introducing something new every 10 seconds!
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I'd also recommend to make your performance a bit more powerful. I don't know, to me, they lacked not only a bit on the action side, but the dancing still looked to much like doing some random movements. Also, a more upbeat song might help as well or doing more impressive stuff to the music, some more complicated dance moves maybe?
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I think dance skits are really tricky. But please don't do a battle skits. What I think you're lacking in the dance skit is just what you need the most for battle one.

In both, your movements are slow and weak. I don't think you need to absolutly speed them up, slow dances can be really powerful and moving, but you need to have more power in your whole body and movements. When you're on stage you need to move as if you had 20 more kg or you're moving underwater. I don't know how to explain it better. It's like in martial art : even if you only "practice" your punch, they must feel real. Some people only throw their hands randomly and say it's a punch, but that's not the way you do it. You need to feel every movement and to controle them.

The other problem with slow dances it's : it doesn't allow any mistake. You need to be perfectly sync. And sometimes one of you twins had like half a sec' difference with the other. And I could only see that.

I liked chihiro's one better (maybe because I know the original characters). For me, it was really more easy to read. I have the feeling you've more rehearsed on this one too, and in my opinion you used too much accesories on the second one.

Anyway, I think you can definitly create some dancing skit that'll make me cry. If you like to dance in your skits, I don't think you should force yourselves to absolutly do something else. Maybe an other music could help. I don't know where you rehearse, but sometimes rehearsing on a scene can help a lot. You can adjust the way you move etc... Might be a way to improve.

I really like the fact you're trying to tell us a story. Keep up the good work !
I really hope I wasn't too harsh. And english is not my main langage so I hope you understood me well. Good luck !
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Unread 03-04-2015, 10:46 AM   #8
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Thank you for your opinions!
It is really hard for us to see what we are doing wrong. we think we do great at the time, but if we look back and watch the videos they just seem horrible to us

being more in sync is something we will have to work on. we are close, but as you said even a split second cant look huge in a slow skit.

and i understand what you are meaning with the movement. there needs to be more power behind each move. instead of a hand swish the whole body needs to move with it, and exaggerate it.

The choice to move from dance to battle may be a large one...and i definitely think we need to get movement exaggeration and sync down first. I also think a battle would be more engaging and might force that learning on us. but i wouldnt want to screw us over by making that jump when we are not ready
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Okay, I have some performing arts experience, and I've also watched some WCS skits. So I watched your videos and jotted down some notes.

Spirited Away--- You chose a song with English lyrics for a competition that takes place in Japan; thankfully you chose a different song for 2014, so I'm assuming you guys did that intentionally. However, the skit suffered from a low energy song and low energy choreography. Neither of you seemed very expressive during the entirety of the skit. There was some blocking at the end that blocked Chihiro's face; dunno if that was to show off the costume.

Vampire--- You chose a song without lyrics, which was smart. Also, the song was more dramatic. During the choreography, Carmela's back was to the audience; again, dunno if that's to show off the costume, may want to rethink that for next time. The bite lacked lots of energy and drama, for something that seemed rather important to the story you were telling. You must speak with your whole bodies, including hands and faces. The fabric "blood" was a nice addition, but it's been done before; Team USA's 2011(?) xxxHolic skit comes to mind. Overall, despite the better music choice, you guys still lack energy and drama.

Overall, I'm wondering if you compete at regular con Masquerades, as they would be great chances to practice practice practice. Remember, you don't need a lot of time to tell a compelling story onstage, as long as your audience is engaged.
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What language the song is in has nothing to do with anything. It is an international competition, thus international music is welcome.

We have mainly done walk ons in other competitions. mainly because other competitions doesnt really get the emotion we would like to fit in, we just have to week things to do that more effectively...
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The choice to move from dance to battle may be a large one...and i definitely think we need to get movement exaggeration and sync down first. I also think a battle would be more engaging and might force that learning on us. but i wouldnt want to screw us over by making that jump when we are not ready
You could combine dancing and fighting, maybe. I think the Sailor Moon musicals have wonderful examples for this (I also practice to dance along sometimes and I think they also help with the forceful movements thing).
This is one of my favorite dance/battle choreographies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sojQZSJij0s

But I really think battle skits are something that only works with those extremely forceful movements- many battle skits suffer in quality because the movements look awkward. But the combination of dancing and figting could make a good transition for a skit with only fighting.
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We will have to look into some cosplayer that would be good for dance fighting
i agree it would be a good slower transition rather than jumping right in

Thank you for your help and opinions. you are very helpful and in a productive nice way
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The spirited away one was stronger for performance, however the second had more complex costumes, I'd try to get a good mix of the two although there's no secret to the fact that WCS favours strong skits.

The movements need to be more exaggerated, I feel that the choreography would have come across better in the SA skit if the arm movements were stronger and cleaner in order to take advantage of the movement those gorgeous fans can achieve. Also a lot of focus needs to be put in the face for both of them, it's how you tell the story and deliver how the character is feeling. I know this can be really hard especially when you're nervous trying to remember what you have to do next and you can think you're emoting, but when you look back you think to yourself you could have done so more - this has happened to me more times than I can count. So if you could film yourself when practising and use the mirror for these faces, you'll have it nailed in no time! The main ones you should have are happy, sad, and a silly one if required, but fear is also another one which crops up often in skits.

Also, try to use the stage space as much as possible and get different levels, this was improved hugely in the second one, but I feel as though the majority of it was the two characters just switching place which gets a little same-y after a while. That being said I like how the Haku used the time alone on stage while waiting for the costume transition. It was very clean and very well timed.

Perhaps you could look into making your set being something that changes and interactive as needed for your characters and skits? I've seen a lot of amazing sets and they can really deliver the extra wow factor to keep the interest of the audience and the judges. And dont be afraid to try out dialogue. I know it can be tempting to keep the artistic skits silent and allow movement to say it all, but they can help to at least set the scene with a small bit at the beginning. There are a lot of people wanting to get into voice acting and they would probably love to have the extra experience under their belt so you could try asking around if you're not comfortable using your own voices?

And finally, ask people to watch your skit before you take it to the competition. Film it and see if they understand the story clearly that you wanted to portray. Sometimes the more clueless the viewer is, the more relevant the questions they ask are. They might point out something you never thought of - the opinion of someone who is knowledgeable of the characters is just as good and they will cover other areas e.g 'I think this character would be more X when they do X'

Hope this helps! I've been working on my own skit for a few years but never got to perform it yet and it is also a dance based one. I've had to cut down things that I felt went on too long and filled it with something else, so dont be afraid of backtracking and changing things. I wish you and your partner success!
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thanks! that does help. Filming the skit before hand is a great idea. it would give us the opportunity to see ourselves for self critique as well as as others
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