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Unread 06-06-2007, 06:53 AM   #46
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I like that song and I have it, the one I got said it was by SOAD, they're not the ones who did it?
It's done by a group called The Rabbit Joint. I'm not sure why someone started the rumor that it was by SOAD, but it sure is widespread now. -_-
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Unread 06-06-2007, 07:42 AM   #47
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Since the thread has come back to the Link song...I would still like to know where people have seen other skits with that song. I've only seen it once at Katsucon 2006. And it was a great skit, I might add...

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Unread 06-06-2007, 08:06 AM   #48
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I'm sick of crossplaying girls who think kissing on stage makes a good skit.

A criss-crossplay kiss on stage does not a skit make.
>< smae here there is too much of that.
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Unread 06-06-2007, 08:46 AM   #49
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Alright, so I've heard that a lot of people come down on musical/dance based skits with yaoi over-tones, and that's pretty much what a friend of mine and I have planned to do for Otakon, so the question I pose is how much is too much fan service? You complain that it's over-done but for every masquerade I've been to, that's pretty much been the theme, especially as far as the ones that win the awards. I've been going to Otakon since 2001 and in memory...two or three non-yaoi/shounen-ai heavy skits have gotten awards.

My point is I suppose that the reason there's so much of it, is that it does speak to the audience on some level. Even if you don't like it, you get, so to speak.

I've seen some brilliantly done skits that incorporate the dance/shounen-ai fan service thing, too. That, and having tried a number of times, it's tough to write skit-length original material that's *good.* Maybe I'm defensive because I see what I'm up against, but like a lot of others here, I think it comes down to fore-thought and presentation as to how good a supposedly 'over done' concept is.
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Unread 06-06-2007, 10:36 AM   #50
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Moonlit; just because it speaks to the audience does not mean you should do it. Shades of shonenai/yaoi are funny sometimes, but it's often used as such a fail safe thing to get a reaction from the hormonal girls out in the audience.

So, in short, well placed shades of shounenai in addition to good acting would make an interesting addition to a skit. It's all in how you write/perform it. Say, for example, that a group of folks planned to do a Tsubasa Resevoir Chronicle skit with the four main characters (Sakura, Syaoran, Fai, Kurogane). Say they wanted to put a shade of shonen-ai in the skit. The most tactful way would be to base the skit around something OTHER than the shounenai, and just hint it at the end (because Fai is considered gay by a good chunk of the fandom).

I'm so tired of seeing skits where the shounen-ai aspect is the main point of the skit. It's too much of a failsafe, and it ruins some promising ideas.

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Unread 06-06-2007, 12:47 PM   #51
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I see where you're coming from, Rurouni. My issue being that I've seen skits exactly like the ones everyone describes win masquerades before, so more or less (to me) it lies completely in execution. The musical ones I've seen work have a kind of 'story in song' quality that *real* musicals have. That's incredibly difficult to do, no matter what else you throw into the skit itself. The reason I think so many people try is because they watch real musicals and think it's easy, and that if the reaction isn't what they planned, "at least there was fan service."

In short, I do agree that fan service shouldn't be the *point* of the skit, but when it's a dance skit there is a way to do it and do it well. If you're aware of how difficult it is, which a lot of people really aren't, and that's when you get the plethora of Avenue Q skits.
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Unread 06-06-2007, 04:33 PM   #52
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I really do think that the problem in overdone skits isn't what's IN it persay as how it's executed. A lot of people here are naming skits as "overdone" that I have seen done exceedingly well because of execution. And really, skits are hit or miss because you can't appeal to EVERYONE in a crowd. There is always going to be someone who doesn't like a certain type of skit or isn't interested in the fandom being addressed.

The point is that you can do something else someone has done in the past like a Musical song (which, when done right, can be fantastic), or the LINK song if you're original and well rehearsed about it. I've seen lots of skits that I didn't even know where the characters were from, but the way it was executed made it a fantastic skit.

ps. Dance offs can be hilarious if you know how to do it with a story in it. ^__-
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Unread 06-06-2007, 07:15 PM   #53
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Speaking not from an audience perspective, but from the perspective of a director and judge, I can honestly say that when an OVERDONE subject is all you have to work with, it's hard not to give the rewards.

So, when you say most of the ones you've seen have won something, think about it from that perspective. It only proves how overdone they are.

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Unread 06-06-2007, 09:27 PM   #54
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I personally love musical skits if they're well executed. And by musical skits I mean taking effort to change around the words a bit and not just lip syncing.^_^
My group and I are doing our own rendition of one of the lesser popular songs from Avenue Q later this winter and we're taking time to go about re-writing passages from it to make it appropriate for a con setting.
But I do agree that "If You Were Gay" and "The Internet is For Porn" are getting tiresome..I saw three skits in less than two cons that did those. And they were all small cons that weren't too far apart from another too. ;_;
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Unread 06-07-2007, 04:21 AM   #55
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Since the thread has come back to the Link song...I would still like to know where people have seen other skits with that song. I've only seen it once at Katsucon 2006. And it was a great skit, I might add...

Help a girl out. ^_^
My group Sakura Mochi used that song in our Legend of Zelda skit back in 2003 at Sakura-Con. Sadly there is nooooo video just some onstage photos from fansview. I liked that skit too! It started out somewhat serious with Link and Sheik playing music, then we used the old nintendo sound clip from a commercial with that AWFUL Zelda Rap, then cut to the LOZ song.

Huzzah.

Personally I think people can take the overdone ideas and if they're good costumes, they keep moving and can keep my attention then I wouldn't mind seeing a bunch of them.

Although i do believe the macarana must never be used again. Unless in serious JEST.

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Unread 06-07-2007, 07:28 PM   #56
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Dance contests. Why must all skits end in a really unenthusiastic dance contest? They always look like they're being forced or something, they look so bored. At least that was the case with most of the fanime skits. Some of them didn't even have a plot. It was just like, "Dance contest!" and every one dances around and then awkwardly walks off.
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Unread 06-07-2007, 10:27 PM   #57
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The only well-executed dance-off I ever saw was an Otakon performance between a group of Space Channel Five characters and a group of DDR cosplayers. Note, both games are DANCE GAMES. It MADE SENSE.

Choreography in a performance is hit or miss depending on the reason for the characters in question to be dancing. I will list three that made sense, one of which is mine: the Egyptian Yu-Gi-Oh characters dancing to Walk Like an Egyptian (mine), the four boys of Saiyuki dancing to some kind of song about being a boy band (because let's face it, they are), and three similarly-dressed video game characters - Dante, Vincent, and...ah crap, can't remember the name. From Guilty Gear... - performing to one song. Which was essentially about their similarities. It was well-done, and each of them made sense without needing a skit with a story to back it up - just the song choice itself was enough to explain what was going on. Add to it good choreography, and you have a perfectly legitimate dance skit.

The skit itself is overdone. People need to look into more creative ways to exploit a concept, a character quality, or a punchline. Less dialogue, more other stuff. Less having to learn lines or record them, more performing.
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Unread 06-08-2007, 10:09 AM   #58
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Speaking not from an audience perspective, but from the perspective of a director and judge, I can honestly say that when an OVERDONE subject is all you have to work with, it's hard not to give the rewards.

So, when you say most of the ones you've seen have won something, think about it from that perspective. It only proves how overdone they are.
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Got your back on that comment! Yes! And that's especially a problem at smaller events when the competition is filled with more novices than all other divisions combined. Very rarely is a truly awe-inspiring skit performed, but there's definitely always a handful of decent and good ones. They win awards, but those same skits may not fare so well at larger competitions with a better cross-section of skill divisions.

It really is more on the execution than a brilliant "new" idea. I've been to countless contests with dance skits galore, with only one or two are actually GOOD. I've also seen lots of skits that stand out in what they do, but flop anyway because the dialogue is stilted or the choreography is boring, maybe poorly done or performed?
Yes, it's nice to stand out from the crowd with something different than all the other competitors, but there so many other factors to consider. There are very few series out there that are part of fandom's general knowledge that haven't been tapped to death for skits. And doing something from an obscure show/game/manga really risks going over the audience's head unless you're really careful about keeping things general AND entertaining.

What irritates me is that certain skit genres get a bad rep BECAUSE they are constantly performed poorly. Dance skits are always popping up on this thread because a lot of cosplayers that do them really can't dance well, have no real training in any dance style and no concept of dynamic choreography. Fight skits and martial arts also get a terrible rep because 90% are done by amateurs that THINK they've got skills cause they watched kung fu movies all their life... *dead pan look*
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Unread 06-08-2007, 01:28 PM   #59
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Don't hate me, but I am personally tired of so many Final Fantasy skits. They've been done so many times, someone named their skit 'Oh God Not Another Final Fantasy Skit' (which actually wasn't half-bad). Another thing is that in over half of the Final Fantasy skits I've seen, one character (usually Rikku from FFX) has to break out into a dance solo.

ENOUGH WITH THE DANCE SOLOS!
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Unread 06-08-2007, 08:57 PM   #60
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The thing about Final Fantasy skits being overdone is that there are twelve games in the main series, and I can think of at least five spin-offs in the franchise... but all I ever hear about skits from are VII (and spin-offs), VIII, and X-2. (Not even X. I've never seen an FFX skit. Just several from FFX-2.)

I can guarantee that Final Fantasy XIII skits, for instance, are not overdone. The game's not out yet, very few people are even cosplaying it at all. (I doubt there have been many XII skits besides our group, too, since the game hasn't been out long and the costumes are pretty complicated.) I'd love to see people do skits with characters from IV or V, which are probably my favorite games in the series... but yeah, if it devolves into a dance contest, then I'm not so eager.

As for martial arts skits, I've only seen a couple, and I can remember two that were really, really well-choreographed. I'm absolutely sure that the one with ... two samurai, I believe it was Kenshin vs. Jin? I know that one won a prize, because they did a little omake when they came back on to accept the award.

And now we get into the subject that no, really - even if basic subjects are overdone, they can still be done WELL. Heck, my personal pet peeve is the billion-and-one Naruto skits that are just completely random, but there was one at ACen this year that I thought was pretty darned funny. Excellent choreography, again.
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