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[Aleera]

Originally Posted by *Le*

because im bored

lolita is not cosplay/costume.

and god no bodyline is horrible for lolita. thats because of the quality of alot (not all ) of their clothing and the design/shape of the clothes. alot of the time its REALLY short even on someone whos like 5' 2"

however a have seen a couple of people pull it off wonderfully, so its all a matter of how you do it....but some of their stuff just sucks no matter how hard you try to make it look good.

but theyre getting better.....

i can tell just by reading this that you have never owned brand. And your one of those people who don’t understand the difference between great quality and crappy quality or think that the diffrence cant possibly be that big (don’t worry i was one too until i found loli...i blame it on the mall and wallmart. i had never even seen great quality clothes-unless you count pictures-till i got my first brand dress) since you’ve never own brand i really don’t think you should be giving opinions about it ^^;;…just a thought.

This has been discussed a million times over at EGL so I wont get into it…but with brand you get everything you pay for. And they often have original fabrics, lace, appliqués etc.


With that said…what brand made a dress out of vinyl and why in gods name are you copying it? ^^;;

Granted its a good dress for goth or whatever but not for loli. Vinyl dresses are REALLY not loli…goth yes. But not loli. Its just….no. it takes a WHOLE LOT away from that certain timeless porcelain doll feel. prcelain dolls dont wear vinyl. That dress would look hella cool made out of broadcloth though....and id actually buy it if it was my size and i had the monies. its good for unloliness and stuffs (i do wear other things that are not loli) ^^;;

It's a style of costume, I believe that's common knowledge. We have different body proportions, I will agree with you since that is a fact also. I have never fancied bodyline personally, but some people I know think it's worth their money. Vinyl, I never used vinyl so I don't know why you are bringing that up. I don't think vinyl suits lolita style at all. I've used thick satin, which I would not do again, if anything brocade/lycra is more fitting for the style in my opinion. Cotton can work well also. I think it's up to the wearer to decide how they want to interpret the styles that suit them best.

[emi_shuni]

You've got to think...they were all made by someone! I don't really think that you can factory produce loita outfits and make them look quality...but that is my opinion.

I only consider lolita a "costume" when a person dresses in it ONCE, JUST for a con or something. When you wear your outfit frequently, then it becomes just a normal part of your wordrobe. But, oi, that's just me!

~ Emi

[LGS]

Originally Posted by Aleera

It's a style of costume, I believe that's common knowledge. We have different body proportions, I will agree with you since that is a fact also. I have never fancied bodyline personally, but some people I know think it's worth their money. Vinyl, I never used vinyl so I don't know why you are bringing that up. I don't think vinyl suits lolita style at all. I've used thick satin, which I would not do again, if anything brocade/lycra is more fitting for the style in my opinion. Cotton can work well also. I think it's up to the wearer to decide how they want to interpret the styles that suit them best.

Oh hell no. Lolita is NOT NOR WILL IT EVER BE A COSTUME. It is a style of clothing that many people wear every day, just like Goths or Bohemians.

Lycra is stretchy. You make leotards out of it. Not even Satan himself would use lycra in Loli.

[starcat]

Originally Posted by LGS

Oh hell no. Lolita is NOT NOR WILL IT EVER BE A COSTUME. It is a style of clothing that many people wear every day, just like Goths or Bohemians.

Lycra is stretchy. You make leotards out of it. Not even Satan himself would use lycra in Loli.

I can see lycra being used in various non-traditional (i.e., leotards) ways in Lolita-wear. It drapes pretty nicely.

I'm not going to pour more fuel on the lolzcostume/omfgthat'snotacostume fire but I will suggest that it moves to its own topic. Homemade lolita + "is it loli" != costume/not a costume. This is worthy of its own topic, but that topic is not this one.

Originally Posted by penny_dreadful

a pair of socks that are the same quality as something from Target but cost $30 because they have a BTSSB logo on them.

Oh, and Target actually has some very nice socks. I have a pair of purple unicorn knee-highs that are soft, nice quality, and haven't worn through yet even though I've worn them many times.

[*Le*]

Originally Posted by Aleera

It's a style of costume, I believe that's common knowledge. We have different body proportions, I will agree with you since that is a fact also. I have never fancied bodyline personally, but some people I know think it's worth their money. Vinyl, I never used vinyl so I don't know why you are bringing that up. I don't think vinyl suits lolita style at all. I've used thick satin, which I would not do again, if anything brocade/lycra is more fitting for the style in my opinion. Cotton can work well also. I think it's up to the wearer to decide how they want to interpret the styles that suit them best.

Jesus Christ are you serious?!!

I cannot take this amount of Noob-ness XD

And just cos it looks like you didn't understand, my whole reply wasn’t a reply to you, just the part under your quote.

And no, lolita is not a costume. It’s a fashion. I thought that was common knowledge. sure some people choose to wear it as a costume. but its not.

its like if a preppy girl decided to go into hottopic and wear goth as a costume. sure shes wearing it as a costume but that doesnt mean goth = costume....

[Aleera]

Originally Posted by *Le*

Jesus Christ are you serious?!!

I cannot take this amount of Noob-ness XD

And just cos it looks like you didn't understand, my whole reply wasn’t a reply to you, just the part under your quote.

And no, lolita is not a costume. It’s a fashion. I thought that was common knowledge. sure some people choose to wear it as a costume. but its not.

its like if a preppy girl decided to go into hottopic and wear goth as a costume. sure shes wearing it as a costume but that doesnt mean goth = costume....

We both seem to agree that people should try to sew their own loli, that's about where our similarities in opinion ends. A fashion, is a particular style of clothing, I all ready have said this. But please allow others the opportunity to get their discussion back on track. Feel free to PM me if you need to clarify any of what has been said, but let's not waste anyone else's time any more. I've said my piece and don't want to flame. Adieu.

[*Le*]

Originally Posted by Aleera

We both seem to agree that people should try to sew their own loli, that's about where our similarities in opinion ends. A fashion, is a particular style of clothing, I all ready have said this. But please allow others the opportunity to get their discussion back on track. Feel free to PM me if you need to clarify any of what has been said, but let's not waste anyone else's time any more. I've said my piece and don't want to flame. Adieu.

And lolita is not clothing? then what is it? lol

Please don’t degrade my style (and arguably “lifestyle”) to such level. i do not spend $500 on a costume. YOU can wear it as a costume and you’re free to do so but whether you like it or not, its a fashion style. that’s why its called lolita FASHION.....i think you should do some reaserch. Yup.

id rather keep it public thanks, i love making fools out of people XP

and im not stopping the others from talking about the main topic...you know its ok to have 2 or even 3 diffrent conversations in one topic...it doest HAVE to stick to the main topic , its ok...really O.o

[aliceaddict]

i have to say

PLEASE NEVER USE LYCRA FOR LOLITA


also Amanda, your outfit is hella cute and it looks like you did a great job on it!

umm what else?
making lolita clothing youself is often almost as expensive as buying brand. cost of materials + time involved. in my experience, most seamstresses will charge the same or MORE to custom make an outfit.

[emi_shuni]

Originally Posted by *Le*

And lolita is not clothing? then what is it? lol

Please don’t degrade my style (and arguably “lifestyle”) to such level. i do not spend $500 on a costume. YOU can wear it as a costume and you’re free to do so but whether you like it or not, its a fashion style. that’s why its called lolita FASHION.....i think you should do some reaserch. Yup.

id rather keep it public thanks, id love making fools out of people XP

and im not stopping the others from talking about the main topic...you know its ok to have 2 or even 3 diffrent conversations in one topic...it doest HAVE to stick to the main topic , its ok...really O.o

No one is really degrading your style....they're mearly expressing opinion on the style in general.
((How much do you spend on your outfits? I'm looking into buying one))

"Opinion...opinion...why would you make fun of someone with an opinion..."

[NeK0UnD3rUrB3d]

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Brush your teeth, or you will get yukies!!

[emi_shuni]

Originally Posted by NeK0UnD3rUrB3d

ehehheheheh



Brush your teeth, or you will get yukies!!

That is just RANDOM! O.o

[NeK0UnD3rUrB3d]

Originally Posted by emi_shuni

That is just RANDOM! O.o

Coolness huh? lol

O hi Emi chan! Ive finally got an account! yayness!


SQUARENESS

O and maybe to stay on topic...I think lolita is cool! hahaha and um...yea

[AeonisPi]

I can feel *Le*'s pain. It hurts everytime I see the word "costume". It's sooo painful, it really is. No matter how much you smile and nod about it, hearing your wadrobe choices being called a "costume" hurts a lil, especially whenits a rather established fashion.

Also, I haven't found a pair of socks in the US that's as nice as my metamophose socks. They're soo lush and comfy and nice, and stay up wonderfully on their own.

As to brand loli shopping.. here's what I usually expect to spend:

Socks: $25
Petticoat: $100
Bloomers: $40
Simple Skirt: $80
Nicer Skirt: $140
Simple Dress: $180
Short sleeve Blouse: $80
Long Sleeve Blouse: $140
Coat: $400
Metamorphose Parasol: $20
Most Parasols: $40+
Headress/Bows $35+
Shoes: $250+

That covers the basics. And all without shipping.

My outfits at any given time cost about..$500. So I definitely try to mix in some replicas, and homemade items. But alas, making high quality replicas is expensive. From finding nice quality lace, to good weight fabrics, to all the ruffling, and lace application. I find myself spending more time attaching all the lace details than anything else.

[penny_dreadful]

I own two outfits that cost more than $500. One is my Lulu costume. The other is what I'll be wearing when I get married. I'm not saying anyone is wrong for spending that much money on outfits, I'm just saying not all of us are able to invest that kind of dough into multiple outfits, or even one outfit, even if it's something we get frequent usage from. And yes, loli is by nature pretty expensive to wear, but I don't think you necessarily have to buy brand to achieve the same look. AmandaPanda sewed her own, for example, and look at how nicely that came out; certainly there are a number of lolis here who produce very professional-looking work. I'm sure materials cost a good chunk of change but even so you're saving just by doing the labor yourself and not spending on a brand name.

As for the lolita fashion/costume debate, I agree that it is a fashion for many and the look is commonly known as streetwear from Japan, but there are people who enjoy the look but do not consider it appropriate for everyday wear. One could argue that you probably don't wear an evening dress out to the grocery store and you wouldn't call that a costume, either, but I think people are getting a little too bent out of shape. Yes, I understand you are frustrated by having what you consider everyday clothing referred to as "costumes", but I will say it again, as I'm sure I'll have to say it many times over: THIS IS A COSPLAY SITE AND THE VAST MAJORITY OF US ARE COSTUMERS. It is not illogical for people who aren't yet familiar with the fashion to look here and assume it's a costume-- since that's what the entire rest of the site is devoted to. If you want to correct them, fine, but you have to accept that there are those for whom lolita will always be a costume, and while you're at it you may personally enjoy being snappish but I'd consider it a waste. It only takes slightly more energy to be patient and kind in your responses than it does to rip someone a new one. If you need to vent, go over to the Pet Peeves thread. That's what it's there for.

If you really can't stand the thought of loli being discussed in costuming terms, then push to have this sub-forum removed entirely, or just go back to talking about the fashion over at the LJ group or something. Otherwise, some of you need to get over it.

And speaking of Target, don't get me wrong-- I shop there all the time, and have gotten some really cute clothes from there. It's not always poor quality, certainly better than some of the mass retailers out there, but even their designer lines like Mizrahi, Go!, and Swell (do they even sell Swell anymore?) can't hold a candle to the quality of those designers' regular offerings.

--Penny

[Ororo Howlett]

*standing ovation for Penny Dreadful*
I agree. For myself and plenty others, loli clothing is and will always be a costume. Also, like Mlle. Penny said, THIS IS A COSPLAY SITE. Is it really that farfetched that the members, who are cosplayers, might refer to an outfit as a costume?

On topic: The only time anyone (lolis, cosplayers, designers, etc.) is looked down upon, when the outfit is homemade, is when said outfit looks bad (low quality materials, poor construction, etc.).