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Unread 02-08-2010, 07:24 AM   #1
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Should "Jrock/Jpop Inspired" be considered a cosplay?

There are issues in our local cosplay scene regarding jpop/jrock inspired outfits. Kpop inspired and Lolitas apply too. Should we really consider them as a form of Cosplay? Or a Fashion Trend instead?

Most of the time thy are often looked-down upon because they are usually seen in Anime Conventions worn by people who knew nothing about Jtrends and such. They throw in simple mix and match closet clothes and still joins the competitions. Shouldn't we put them under a different category?
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Unread 02-08-2010, 02:45 PM   #2
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I've never seen them in competitions before, I usually see a separate, non-competitive "fashion show" for them. I don't really think they're cosplay, I mean I could wear a Naruto headband and Full Metal Alchemist jacket from Hot Topic or something, and that wouldn't be cosplay either, but I don't really see anything wrong with them. But then again, I've never seen them in competitions and the such.
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Unread 02-09-2010, 12:49 AM   #3
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Fashion IMO, not really a cosplay.
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Unread 02-09-2010, 04:53 AM   #4
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If you consider yourself to be wearing a costume and not regular clothing -- it's cosplay.

If you're wearing something you'd wear on the street - it's not cosplay.

example. A nurse costume on a housewife is cosplay. A nurse costume on a nurse is not.

A yukata on a caucasian woman at a halloween party is cosplay. A yukata on a Japanese woman at a summer festival is not. (The same yukata brought out in the bedroom in December and combined with some crazy rope-bondage can then qualify as "cosplay" too :3 )

A gothic lolita outfit on someone who is keen to "dress up like a lolita" is cosplay. A gothic lolita outfit on a gothic lolita is not.


The trouble is, with the exception of a few really clear-cut cases: the line between "cosplay" and "fashion" is defined almost entirely by motivation and personal habit... the only person in a position to tell you whether or not it's a "costume" is the person wearing the outfit.

I'm of the opinion that very few people who consider themselves to actually BE a member of a fashion movement would enter themselves in a "costume contest"... it's kind of insulting. It's probably safe to say that, in entering under those circumstances at all, they consider themselves to be dressing up as a member of a subculture to which they don't belong... and in reality, are probably "cosplaying", albeit crappily

If it's an issue of making room for them (or not) in a masquerade: create more stringent rules for entries by defining what is acceptable ~ (ie. specify "character costumes only")
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Unread 02-09-2010, 04:33 PM   #5
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If you're mimicing something (ex: a certain Jrocker's certain costume from a certain era/pv/photoshoot) then it's cosplay. What makes that any different than an anime costume? You're matching fabrics, patterns, styles, wigs, makeup, shoes.

However I think if you're wearing a Japanese street style, it is not cosplay. It is a street fashion - whether or not you wear it all the time. I would definitely maybe have a seperate 'fashion show' and maybe make that into a contest. Most of that stuff is all store bought anyway, fashion isn't really made, it's altered (not in ALL cases, I know). Kimono's are usually bought. Lolita dresses are usually bought. Even cyber stuff is usually bought.

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Unread 02-09-2010, 10:40 PM   #6
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If you're mimicing something (ex: a certain Jrocker's certain costume from a certain era/pv/photoshoot) then it's cosplay. What makes that any different than an anime costume? You're matching fabrics, patterns, styles, wigs, makeup, shoes.

However I think if you're wearing a Japanese street style, it is not cosplay. It is a street fashion - whether or not you wear it all the time. I would definitely maybe have a seperate 'fashion show' and maybe make that into a contest. Most of that stuff is all store bought anyway, fashion isn't really made, it's altered (not in ALL cases, I know). Kimono's are usually bought. Lolita dresses are usually bought. Even cyber stuff is usually bought.

This I agree with. (:

If you're doing a 'j-rocker' or 'j-pop star' or whatever in specific, it's a cosplay. Just because it's not an anime or videogame character doesn't mean it's not cosplay. But if you're going for the 'j-rock look' or whatever, then it's considered fashion. My opinion. :P
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Unread 02-14-2010, 04:46 PM   #7
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Generally, I would consider it more of a fashion than a cosplay. If you're wearing clothes that resembles a character from a anime/video game, I guess it's cosplay.

I don't see why there'd be an issue with walking around an anime convention dressed in Jrock/jpop/kpop/egl/etc. And if the self-proclaimed fashionistas have a problem with it, too bad for them. Trends come and go.

I've never judged a competition, but I think the problem for competitions is that the judges have no "reference point" to judge your "costume". So, if some dresses in fabulous jpop/jrock clothes and puts on a freaking awesome performance, maybe they deserve to win "Best Performance". However, that doesn't mean they qualify for "Best Costume", the judges don't know what to compare your costume with. Hence, someone else might win "Best Overall" because of a better costume (that can be compared with other similar costumes), but with a slightly weaker performance/skit.
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Unread 02-15-2010, 04:35 PM   #8
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If you're mimicing something (ex: a certain Jrocker's certain costume from a certain era/pv/photoshoot) then it's cosplay. What makes that any different than an anime costume? You're matching fabrics, patterns, styles, wigs, makeup, shoes.

However I think if you're wearing a Japanese street style, it is not cosplay. It is a street fashion - whether or not you wear it all the time. I would definitely maybe have a seperate 'fashion show' and maybe make that into a contest. Most of that stuff is all store bought anyway, fashion isn't really made, it's altered (not in ALL cases, I know). Kimono's are usually bought. Lolita dresses are usually bought. Even cyber stuff is usually bought.


100% Agreed.
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Unread 02-15-2010, 09:02 PM   #9
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If you consider yourself to be wearing a costume and not regular clothing -- it's cosplay.

If you're wearing something you'd wear on the street - it's not cosplay.

example. A nurse costume on a housewife is cosplay. A nurse costume on a nurse is not.

A yukata on a caucasian woman at a halloween party is cosplay. A yukata on a Japanese woman at a summer festival is not. (The same yukata brought out in the bedroom in December and combined with some crazy rope-bondage can then qualify as "cosplay" too :3 )

A gothic lolita outfit on someone who is keen to "dress up like a lolita" is cosplay. A gothic lolita outfit on a gothic lolita is not.


The trouble is, with the exception of a few really clear-cut cases: the line between "cosplay" and "fashion" is defined almost entirely by motivation and personal habit... the only person in a position to tell you whether or not it's a "costume" is the person wearing the outfit.

I'm of the opinion that very few people who consider themselves to actually BE a member of a fashion movement would enter themselves in a "costume contest"... it's kind of insulting. It's probably safe to say that, in entering under those circumstances at all, they consider themselves to be dressing up as a member of a subculture to which they don't belong... and in reality, are probably "cosplaying", albeit crappily

If it's an issue of making room for them (or not) in a masquerade: create more stringent rules for entries by defining what is acceptable ~ (ie. specify "character costumes only")
Quoted for truth. I 100% agree with this person.
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Unread 02-15-2010, 10:34 PM   #10
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Ok, I'm doing a Yoshio Nomura (Yo-chan) live performance costume, It is an actual outfit, not street clothes, heck not even close to street clothes, it is a very formal outfit I am having to have made custom, It's around a $1,000 outfit, maybe a little more cause it's not done yet. And you wouldn't consider an inspired outfit from a fan to be cosplay, I think that's a bunch of crud!!! (no offense) (>_<) I am also a guitar player of yo-chans and Ayumi Hamasaki's music, am I still cosplay???

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Unread 02-17-2010, 10:16 PM   #11
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If you're mimicing something (ex: a certain Jrocker's certain costume from a certain era/pv/photoshoot) then it's cosplay. What makes that any different than an anime costume? You're matching fabrics, patterns, styles, wigs, makeup, shoes.

However I think if you're wearing a Japanese street style, it is not cosplay. It is a street fashion - whether or not you wear it all the time. I would definitely maybe have a seperate 'fashion show' and maybe make that into a contest. Most of that stuff is all store bought anyway, fashion isn't really made, it's altered (not in ALL cases, I know). Kimono's are usually bought. Lolita dresses are usually bought. Even cyber stuff is usually bought.

Exactly, cosplaying a Jrocker from a photoshoot, picture, or PV, is valid. You are "mimicking" cosplaying that "persons character" from that photoshoot/pictue/PV.
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