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Unread 08-11-2010, 06:08 PM   #91
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I said "oh, sorry" and he replied "yeah, you should be.. We're doing a photoshoot here."
WOW, that's amazingly lame. Which is funny that you got that treatment, because you're the most patient photog I've ever worked with. If other people walk up and step in on your photoshoot, you just step back, wait until they're done butting in, and then continue on without saying a word. I don't think most photographers would have that kind of patience. Sad to see it isn't mutual. :/
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Unread 08-11-2010, 10:19 PM   #92
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So true. At Otakon I saw two of my friends who were being photographed by two guys, one had an DSLR and the other had a video-camera. I took a few pictures of my friends from a short distance, and the guy with the video camera moved to the side. I said "oh, sorry" and he replied "yeah, you should be.. We're doing a photoshoot here."

I was ready to quote Kamina and say "Who the fuck do you think I am?!" but just let it go and continue to take pics of my friends (who I've known longer and taken more pics of them) later on.

This is why I really don't trust or like people who use video-cameras to document cosplayers..
Well, remember here that many people like to stay focused on the photog they've given time to, and attention to. That photog may also be upset since they arranged time to do this.
NOT that I approve of video cams, god knows it feels liek you are in a bad-neighbor situation or doing something wrong(being the model) but it's weird to tape a cosplayer, I mean its not a show.
I know I know, its public grounds and all, but good times is good times. I had way too many people bugging my gf over pics this Otakon as well, she is picky, I am picky and when 5 photogs run up to discuss this and that and what they want and where [all of a sudden]while I'm taking a pic it's frustrating. This year was pretty bad for that. And she no heart to tell all these guys "no' so I take the role. ^^ I can be mean, and stuborn, and peeps might hate me after being told "private shoot" but cmon, ask first and you will be treated well.
Also, I'm familiar with the must to capture everything around you in an INSTANT. But also, I do not feel that those with a cam own everything they see, but many do. I f I do not want to be owned, I will say no to pics, or ask that my photog says no. Call it paranoid, whatever, sometimes I want the attitude to be for one cam only, the one that is designated for me (rare)
I still love the thread.....be merciful on devils advocate

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Unread 08-11-2010, 10:52 PM   #93
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WOW, that's amazingly lame. Which is funny that you got that treatment, because you're the most patient photog I've ever worked with. If other people walk up and step in on your photoshoot, you just step back, wait until they're done butting in, and then continue on without saying a word. I don't think most photographers would have that kind of patience. Sad to see it isn't mutual. :/
Most of the time if I'm taking pictures of a cosplayer and other photographers come up (or rush up in some cases) and start taking pics of the cosplayer, I let them, and then continue with my picture-taking when they're done. The cosplayer usually knows to look at me if I'm the main photographer taking his/her picture. I've never actually said anything harsh to other photographers, but if they start asking the cosplayer for different poses, then I either tell the cosplayer to do a pose that I want, or take the cosplayer elsewhere.
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Unread 08-13-2010, 08:37 AM   #94
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Most of the time if I'm taking pictures of a cosplayer and other photographers come up (or rush up in some cases) and start taking pics of the cosplayer, I let them, and then continue with my picture-taking when they're done. The cosplayer usually knows to look at me if I'm the main photographer taking his/her picture. I've never actually said anything harsh to other photographers, but if they start asking the cosplayer for different poses, then I either tell the cosplayer to do a pose that I want, or take the cosplayer elsewhere.
There definitely has to be a level of mutual respect involved. Even though I'm trained in photography, I'm a documentary filmmaker by trade. Sometimes it's hard to know when you're crossing a line documenting aspects of a convention. Photoshoots by their very nature are exciting. They look great on video and capture one of the truly unique and fun aspects of the convention experience.

I'm used to doing news videography professionally and one of the things I try to do is capture an event without interfering with it. I would never jump into the middle of another person's shoot and start directing the talent. When I see a shoot happening, sometimes I'll get some footage of the cosplayers AND the photographers working together. If the photographer or cosplayer say that it is a private shoot or that they don't want video taken, then I always apologize, delete the footage, and leave them alone.

I'm not trying to "steal" someone else's shot. I consider myself an artist first and foremost and I truly appreciate and respect the work that cosplayers put into their costumes and the artistry of the photographers trying to capture that. I often get caught up in the "magic" of the moment and like to capture what is happening around me. Photographs uniquely capture moments of time and preserve them. If you don't capture that moment, it's lost forever. The same goes with shooting video - you miss 100% of the shots you don't take. If you see me or any other videographer shooting footage at a convention and don't want to be in the shot, just say so. If they are at all professional, they will apologize and move on.
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Unread 08-13-2010, 08:10 PM   #95
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Well, when whoever is running the shoot (yes, in spite of the chaos, someone is usually calling the shots,) has to stop what they're doing because of something that I'm doing/did, then that's a pretty good indication that I crossed a line somewhere.
The first thing I learned while an apprentice is that you want to document the event, not become part of it. That is a sin to a journalist.
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Unread 09-11-2010, 07:01 PM   #96
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So, question 1: As a cosplayer, are you ok with receiving your photos with a watermark in the corner of the file so long as it's kept non-obtrusive and doesn't detract from the image? Bear in mind that I'm not charging for the photoshoot.
Personally? I would prefer a watermark in the corner (so long it doesn't 'clog up' the picture, a discreet watermark is perfectly fine.) That way, if someone asks who took the photo, I can look at the watermark and remember~ (My memory tends to be Gnade-awful, unfortunately.)

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Question 2: I'm going to be getting cards made up to take with me since so many people kept asking where to find their photos from the convention. Should I wait to give a card until it is asked for or offer it up once I snap a few shots? I don't want to go tossing a card in someone's face if they really don't care a lick about seeing what I took.
Offer the cards once the photoshoot is done, if you offer it before or midway, it will just be another thing to store away before the photoshoot. So offer a card afterwards, when the Cosplayer has all of their things together. (Personally, I love Photographer cards~ Helps me track down all the lovely pictures you've taken~)

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Question 3: What is the best way you have found so far for a photographer to put you at ease when taking a photo? Examples would be great. I don't usually have TOO many issues with this because I'm a 5'4" female so most people don't really feel threatened but I know I can also come across fairly strong in my personality (military training) and want to make sure I'm not going to scare anyone.
Well, seeing as I feel threatened by anything that breathes, smiling a bit and 'loosening up' usually helps a bit. Maybe a lighthearted joke or something. Unfortunately, some people will always be nervous, even after an hour of talking.

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Question 4: What is the worst behavior that you've seen in photographers that you'd like us to avoid?
I fortunately haven't had any bad experiences, but here are some things I could think of that are a little... questionable.

- Asking repeatedly for poses that a Cosplayer doesn't want to do. We may be a 'canvas' to some extent, but we're still living, breathing people!
- Coming off as a general creep. I know some people don't mean to, but if you're leering at me, my first instinct is going to be to hide behind my Fiancee, not pose.
- Asking for sexual or suggestive poses without knowing the Cosplayer too well. Some people might be fine with this, others (like me) aren't. It's generally better to know the person beforehand before asking for poses like that.

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And finally, Question 5: Is there anything you've maybe seen done by other photographers that you'd like to see more of? What helps make a photoshoot great for you? Anything you wish more photographers did?
I love it when a photographer can recommend poses for me. I have no idea what I look like behind that lens, but you do. if you don't know the character, ask the Cosplayer for a brief summary about them, and request from there. In my opinion, you're the artist, and I'm the canvas, but it takes a bit of work from both of us to make something beautiful.

That being said, some minor photoshop can go a long way, mainly in blurring out backgrounds and intensifying colours. (I have seen even boring old parking lots being turned into near-ethereal plains just by blurring the background. It's incredible.)
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Unread 10-17-2010, 07:06 PM   #97
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You should be polite to people that want to snap a pic during your shoot, I agree.

But at the same time, they should wait til both of you are just relaxing or in the middle of setting up another and ask nicely if they want a shot. It is a 1 on 1 shoot, which is basically a private shoot as far as I'm concerned.

Mutual respect, that's my 2 cents.
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Unread 11-01-2010, 05:56 PM   #98
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Unread 12-09-2010, 11:40 AM   #99
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So, question 1: As a cosplayer, are you ok with receiving your photos with a watermark in the corner of the file so long as it's kept non-obtrusive and doesn't detract from the image? Bear in mind that I'm not charging for the photoshoot.
No problem. I do prefer watermarks/logos that look professional though. I know that some newbie photographers put no effort into their logo, but I think logo effort is good for both the photographer and cosplayer. Also, the logo shouldn't be the subject of the image, if you know what I mean.

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Question 2: I'm going to be getting cards made up to take with me since so many people kept asking where to find their photos from the convention. Should I wait to give a card until it is asked for or offer it up once I snap a few shots? I don't want to go tossing a card in someone's face if they really don't care a lick about seeing what I took.
Personally, give me a card any time. Of course, there are obvious inconvenient times. I do like receiving cards though because it helps me remember who photographed me.

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Question 4: What is the worst behavior that you've seen in photographers that you'd like us to avoid?
I'm not saying it's horrible, but I would expect the photographer to put some effort into what they're doing and want their photos to look good. If a shot didn't come out right, try again. =]

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Certainly, I like it when photographers tell me how to pose, or fix something like a collar. I don't know if I look awesome or awkward because I don't know what the camera sees. So yeah, tell me what angle you want, what action to do, etc. Your art is in the photograph and mine is what I'm wearing and/or holding. It helps if you know the series and character too. Bottom line is, I want the photographer to get good shots. Oh, and in the end, I do like to receive post-processed copies of the photos of myself that are reasonably sized (2-3 megapixels?).
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Unread 01-09-2011, 05:16 PM   #100
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I have a question to ask other cosplayers. I am a cosplayer myself and only started doing the artistic modelling end of it this year. When cosplayers take part in one to one private photoshoot sessions in a studio do you always bring an escort or do you go alone? I joined modelmayhem and a photographer from the site wants to do a one to one cosplay photo session with me for a gamer website next week. He told me that he understands the fear models have meeting photographers for the first time but he would prefer it if I didn't bring an escort as they always seem bored and tend to interfere. I can see his point abit as at a past one to one photoshoot, I brought my friend as an escort and he was really bored. I also somewhat believe the cosplayer/model and the photographer can achieve the best poses and work well together when it is only the two of them. As the pressure is there when there is a person standing around bored but I know my safety is important and I maybe shouldn't go alone. The photographer does seem to have a good reputation and told me to contact past models he worked with who came alone to get feedback.

I know someone mentioned about bringing an assistant which I thought was a good idea but I would like to know what are cosplayers and even photographers take on this situation?

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Apparently in Japan most cosplayers have business cards. I think it is a great idea and tend to get some myself so when I have photoshoots I can give them to photographers and to photographers who I met at cons. Its all good for the networking process.

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Unread 01-10-2011, 07:47 AM   #101
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I'm pretty sure you know someone who wants to learn photography, but does not have enough money for gear. Such a person would not get bored by the shoot, and could actually act as a photography assistant.
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Unread 01-10-2011, 01:03 PM   #102
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...he would prefer it if I didn't bring an escort as they always seem bored and tend to interfere.
That's nice he cares about your friend's boredom, but it's weird that he wouldn't care about your comfort, being as you need to be comfortable to be a good model. Just prepare your friend for potential boredom and have them bring a book or something. Problem solved. But don't let a stranger convince you to come alone if you're not comfortable. ...plus, who knows how many more uncomfortable things he might try to get you to do. I would be wary if he keeps insisting you come alone.
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Unread 01-10-2011, 04:20 PM   #103
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Hey

thanking you both for your advice. I just wasn't sure if many cosplayers went to shoots alone or did they always bring an escort. Thanks.

I just wanted to add, I am a fan of your cosplays Jia Jem and I think it is great that you got to where you are. People like you inspire me.

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Unread 01-11-2011, 09:51 AM   #104
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I just wasn't sure if many cosplayers went to shoots alone or did they always bring an escort.
I know a young cosplayer who does loads of shoots and was until very recently underage. She brought her older brother with her all the time, and photographers always found him some usefulness (carrying gear, holding reflectors, the like).
Just like Jia, I'd be suspicious if a photographer strongly insisted that I come alone.
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Unread 01-11-2011, 11:23 AM   #105
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I just wasn't sure if many cosplayers went to shoots alone or did they always bring an escort. Thanks.
It doesn't matter what other cosplayers do. It matters what you are comfortable with. Never shoot in ANY circumstance unless you feel completely safe. A photographer who disregards your comfort level does not have your best interests in mind.

In fact, look at just the basics. Would you want to meet a total stranger for the first time alone in an unfamiliar place? Obviously not. I'm glad you asked here first!
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