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Unread 05-11-2017, 04:13 PM   #1
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Cosplay women objectified?

Does anyone else feel like there are SOME cosplay photographers / videographers out there who aren't really interested in costumes, but really just interested in taking photos of scantilly clad ladies in provocative poses?

I was looking at one of my favorite photographer's galleries and he had a wide range of characters, both male and female and the costumes, cosplayers, and photos were all great and varied. His interest in the variety of works was clear in the attention he paid across the board to different types of people.

Then I watched a video shortly after by someone else and it felt very different and I immediately realized that 80-85% of his subjects were skinny females and the majority of them had very little on. When I see photo galleries that do the same, it feels very awkward.

I could understand if the majority of the best cosplayers were skinny females, but I don't think that's even close to being the case. I've seen plenty of costumes from male cosplayers and females that aren't a size zero that are phenomenal...and they don't have to be showing a lot of skin to do it. When I don't see them equally represented in someone's work, it feels somewhat creepy to me.
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Unread 05-11-2017, 06:35 PM   #2
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It's not just the women, but the men, too. And it's perfectly okay for a person to be conventionally attractive (and this is coming from someone who isn't--I would be on Hollywood's 'D-list') But I think that a good way to solve this problem is to not give these photographers any attention. And the best way to do that is to look at cosplayer who are more like you, rather than a beauty standard.

But I get what you're saying. Now even Playboy is advertising cosplay, and there's also the issue of 'Cosplay is not Consent'.
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Unread 05-11-2017, 07:01 PM   #3
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as mochiko said its not just the women men too espechally those who cosplay as charecters with great bodys ( jo jo bezare adventures for example or thor and captain america )

to be perfectly honest if someone is focus on looks then they dont really get what cosplay is about i wouldnt take it to heart and think of it like their loss
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Unread 05-11-2017, 07:04 PM   #4
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It can be cosplayers' choice too, nudist cosplayers like Foxy would have no problem with things like this, however others like Monky D. Leslie are much reserved and don't allow such suggestive things. However if the photographer is a sick fetishist that gets mad when a photographer for instance asks the cosplayer to take off their shoes and focus their feet there's a really huge problem here, no matter if the cosplayer is open to that or not.
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Unread 05-11-2017, 07:06 PM   #5
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It can be cosplayers' choice too, nudist cosplayers like Foxy would have no problem with things like this, however others like Monky D. Leslie are much reserved and don't allow such suggestive things. However if the photographer is a sick fetishist that gets mad when a photographer for instance asks the cosplayer to take off their shoes and focus theiur feet there's a really huge problem here, no matter if the cosplayer is open to that or not.
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Unread 05-11-2017, 08:03 PM   #6
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"MEN TOO" sure sure w/e but seriously yes.

This happens. It happens a lot. It reinforces nasty shit that women specifically have to deal with on the daily, so yeah. Thanks for noticing.
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Unread 05-11-2017, 09:21 PM   #7
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yeah, its sad that some make it an excuse to get googly eyed at atractive persons
(or simply those with less clothes on)

also it kinda perpetuates the double standard
that atractive people get away with some things more than others
(spend a day at planet fitness "judgment free" my ass)
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Unread 05-12-2017, 11:35 AM   #8
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Cosplay women are objectified?????????????????????????

Attractive people and/or things get more attention from people who find them attractive and are therefore more likely to be the subject of media gathered by that person??????????????????????

Holy fuck, next you'll be telling us that staring directly into the sun for an hour is bad for our eyes.

"Attractive people get too much attention!" Then stop talking about them. "There are plenty of good cosplayers that aren't just skinny girls and have good craftsmanship!" Then bring them up without it being about the cosplayers you feel are over represented.

"Men with good bodies are objectified too! What about the men????" Inb4 some guy completely misunderstands the cultural shit wrapped up in objectification that women deal with because he would love to have women "objectify" him.

People like stuff they find attractive. If you don't like that others aren't looking at you, find a way to be more attractive to someone or multiple someones that you feel fits with what you want to achieve with your cosplay.

Or stop giving attention to attractive people or looking at photos someone took because they like a particular subject and create your own.

Be the change you want to see, otherwise it's the same goddamn thing we've been rehashing for years.
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Unread 05-12-2017, 12:46 PM   #9
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If you don't like that others aren't looking at you, find a way to be more attractive to someone or multiple someones that you feel fits with what you want to achieve with your cosplay.

In your rush to live up to your screen name, I think you missed the point if you think this is about wanting attention or wanting to be used the way some of these cosplayers are clearly being used. So totally not the case.

I'm sure some of these cosplayers, men included, go the scantily clad route for attention-seeking, but there are much broader issues at play here, specifically, "photographers" using their attention as a gateway to prey on people. Some of these people might convince themselves that they could become cosplay famous by flashing some skin, just like all those falling stars who thought they could breathe new life into their career by taking off their clothes for magazines...only to realize they got maniuplated for someone else's benefit. People need to be aware that some of the attention they might be getting isn't because of the job they did in making their costume. Some people certainly know that and don't care. Some likely don't and this post is about them.

The other issue has to do with a topic that many of the younger posters have brought up repeatedly on this site - their parents' views of them participating in cosplay. They might see it as totally harmless, but any parent looking at some of these photographer's photos would be rightfully concerned with their child participating in a hobby where they are likely to wind up in similar photos. The cosplayer may see it as having fun interpreting a cool character, whereas the parent may see it as them being tricked into producing "soft" porn for a pervert who spent money on a camera to try to give himself credibility.

I can't speak for anybody else, but I find the thought of a grown person taking pictures of a half-naked 15-year-old in provocative poses to be utterly repulsive.
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Unread 05-12-2017, 01:47 PM   #10
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i was really tired when i made my post so please forgive me if it seems out of place

for some reason people (regardless of the subject ) seems to forget men get this too for example a woman takes a photo of a topless man is harmless fun other way round its a objectifing thing to put trough if the subject of being objectivied is being disscused shouldnt both sex be discused not just one
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Unread 05-12-2017, 02:24 PM   #11
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i was really tired when i made my post so please forgive me if it seems out of place for some reason people (regardless of the subject ) seems to forget men get this too
Your post was not out of place at all. I'm sure men in costume do get the same treatment. In this case, though, I used women as an example because I noticed it specifically in a video where I felt the videographer seemed excessively focused on young, skinny, scantily clad females. It stood out as awkward because I had just finished looking through a gallery where the photographer had more of a variety, which made his work seem more about an actual appreciation for the costumes.
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Unread 05-12-2017, 02:40 PM   #12
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Let's face it...there are a LOT of pervy people in the world, and they know exactly where to find scantily clad young ladies (not to mention underage girls). It's gross and disgusting and shouldn't exist, but sadly it's a part of reality. Of course, we can say "Don't dress a certain way if you don't want to be objectified," but then we are allowing a handful of drooling creeps to dictate our choices. There really is no easy answer to this problem.
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Unread 05-12-2017, 03:59 PM   #13
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In your rush to live up to your screen name, I think you missed the point if you think this is about wanting attention or wanting to be used the way some of these cosplayers are clearly being used.
O fuq someone cleverly used my username to pwn me! That has never happened before! I guess you sure showed me!

I didn't miss your point. You had an epiphany that made you feel like you should do something about the plight of poor maligned women (nevermind that it's the same crap women have been talking about happening for years)...and instead of actually doing something about it, you made this post on a largely dead forum full of people who have seen this same thread at least six thousand and three times and have replied to it long enough to see themselves become a villain. Then other people showed up to say "yeah, doesn't it suck how attractive people get a lot of attention??" You might want to read the rest of your thread.

Now you are suggesting that women cosplayers are innocent, gentle creatures that must be protected from themselves lest they be lured into a lurid life of idk monetizing something that men are going to look at, anyway, with or without permission, and at least having some say in how they're objectified. Then you pulled out "it's really about THE CHILDREN won't someone think of THE CHILDREN" when that's a completely separate issue.

What are you doing to make photographers realize they're wrong for taking photos of women? Have you tried emailing them to take down their galleries? How have you tried to get young women to realize they shouldn't wear things you don't think are appropriate? Have you tried emailing them with suggestions on how they should be dressing to stop from becoming unwitting victims of predation?

Did you just want everyone to know you realized that women get objectified or what?
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Unread 05-12-2017, 06:11 PM   #14
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And see here I was just gonna come in and say "This just in, water is wet, the sky is blue."

I mean. Duh? I'm with belligerent - what do you want to DO about the plainly obvious fact that photographers take pictures of sexy girls?
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Unread 05-12-2017, 08:33 PM   #15
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This is a forum for people to talk about cosplay and issues related to cosplay. If you’ve been around here long enough to see the same issues discussed thousands of times, that has nothing to do with me. If people keep bringing up the same issues, maybe it’s because they’re worth bringing up TO THEM and nobody owes you or anybody else any justification for that.

It may be tired old news to you, but some of us haven’t been here long enough to post 3000 times. I wonder how many of those involve you catching unnecessary attitude with other posters. If the forum is indeed dying, you might want to ask yourself what role you might be playing in that. Nobody needs to come here for hostility and drama, when its so readily available elsewhere.

I make no pretense about being able to resolve whatever issues some shady photographers might have. That, again, was not the point. But someone might be reading this (who is too afraid to post themselves for fear of this very kind of nasty reception) and it just might raise some of the issues they should be considering when asked to go off to pose for a photographer.

So what if you've already had that conversation 6,003 times? Someone new here might not have seen those 6,003 conversations. I certainly haven't. The 6,004th might be the one they do see that sinks in when needed. It doesn't make it any less important to that person just because that person isn't you.

If you find the topic is pointless, boring, and beat to death - fine. Oh well. It is what it is. Welcome to the internet. But if you find yourself being turned into the villain, it's not because you're repeating the same opinions on the same topic. It's probably because your approach in responding is uncalled for and unwelcoming, and some people are naturally inclined to respond to that with equal negativity.
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