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Unread 02-24-2011, 01:36 AM   #61
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Does the standard PAX mixture come off in the shower? I experimented with a mixture of Ben Nye prosthetic adhesive and Liquitex Basics and it peeled off really easily in warm water.
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Unread 02-25-2011, 08:03 PM   #62
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Standard PAX mixed with Pros-Aide should not come off in the shower unless you scrub really really really really REALLY hard. I used it just last weekend to paint tatoos on my legs and chest and back, and even the small bits of PAX took 30 minutes to scrub off under running water after using the remover.
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Unread 03-02-2011, 11:51 PM   #63
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I finally dd a near full body PAX application this weekend. No. It really does not come off in one hot shower! I had about 9 very hot showers over three days to get 99% off. I highly recommend getting some Isopropyl Myrstate to make it easier. I just bought some PAX remover and while it smels realy lovely it doesn't quite have the same power as IM. That said IM in the tiniest drop can ruin your entire paint job. I had a little on my finger tips and it made my hands stain my headpiece and lightsaber. I cleaned my hands well with soap and water too, it just really is that good at breaking the bonds of PAX.

If you do not have a remover then soaking in hot water for an extended period of time (either v hot shower or v hot bath) and lost of soap and a face cloth is your best bet. I used a scrubby mitt and a facecloth and the facecloth as the better as it did not scour my skin.

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You ca see a little has come away from my arm- yep that's because of the little bit of IM

Also heavy pressure will also transfer the paint from skin to anything else with a greater stickable factor (such as cloth). Basic physics there though

I won't be able to do this again though. At least not for a long time and not without a big bucket load of IM. Why? I am mildly claustrophobic (got trapped in a cave once for a few hours and it's never been the same since ) and it does feel like being encased in a second skin. I found the paint on my legs the most cloying.

That said don't let it frighten you off! Just make sure to powder and have the right solvent. It was knowing I wasn't going to remove the paint quickly that was most at issue for me
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Unread 03-04-2011, 08:29 PM   #64
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I don't know if this has been said already(I admit I did not read the entire thread, I missed two pages).
Just going to mention at pros-aid is also used as a sealer and will not let your skin breathe too much, I would not use it over the entire body if you had to do this for a few days, one day probably would not be an issue.
Now for a little bit of history.
PAX was originally created by Dick Smith, for painting on foam latex prosthetics instead of grease paints. Not really meant to be over bare skin.
Personally I would never use it as a body paint, mainly because its not very good at breathing... and I have have been covered with pros-aid when I went to school for special effects make up, its kind of mean. But it would defiantly stay on!
Isopropyl Myrstate is what we actually use in the film industry to take it off... lots and lots and lots of myrstate, then lots and lots of soap and a shower to get the myrstate and the left over pros-aide gummys off.
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Unread 03-13-2011, 04:48 AM   #65
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That was the IM I mentioned Sadly I was given some bad advice when comparing products for easy removal. The PAX remover smells better but it does not break down the PAX like IM does. That said I also had no towels and facecloths that I was okay ruining with gummy pax

I don't know if you read the whole thread but there is a lot of info in there about how much we have researched this too.

http://fx.wikia.com/wiki/PAX
http://www.theeffectslab.com/forums/...b9ed176ebdd960
http://if.com.au/2008/08/27/article/HAHVFWZDXI.html
(Says it was developed for make up before being used for prosthetics)
http://www.seanet.com/~bradford/Body...nique.html#PAX Makeup
http://www.likeastory.com/boards/cgi...ML/000335.html
(good mention of using different ratios for different needs, I use it at about 1: 4 PA to paint if that. Though I really would not be using the remover recipe there!!!! Baby oil and IA also work, slowly but they do work.)

The needs for film are very different to the needs for a convention. At a con you do not have people watching you and able to repair any damage to your make up or indeed reapplying it (I have done film work and know this is a slightly simplistic account but it is true there are many more people per main actor than actors to keep make up and costume looking right through all shooting periods.. and same number for doubles/stunt doubles etc.) You need something that goes on once can be self applied and be self removed.

I personally have tried to get my hands on all sorts of make up that lives up to that but most schools here train for the film type of situation: ie on call restorers of make up/costume and indeed no huge untrained crowds bumping into the model/actor for the make up to transfer to Also I cannot get hold of certain products thanks to customs laws and lack of importers here.

Airbrushing is great but only if you have another to do the brushing and also are able to transport the equipment or have it in place already. Again not things that are easy for the convention goer.

In short: Ideal, the perfect and only option? No! A good option for the circumstances and generally safe? Yes. But always test and always have cleaner on hand!

Oh and I got some on my clothes. I was very tired and lay down while still painted and it transfered to my clothes. I was able to remove it by washing on a warm cycle and drying with a mix of cool and hot. There were little pills of the stuff at the edge of the dryer so really really do clean the lint out before and after!
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Unread 04-16-2011, 12:46 AM   #66
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Do you think a bodypainting (PAX) could be worn 2 or 3 day? With only some repair. I really prefer the bodypainting over something else.

Because this summer I would go to an event. But I would be camping. And it would be very difficult to repeat the work every day in front of everyone. And I prefer cleaned me at the house and not at the camping. I think it would much easier.
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Unread 04-16-2011, 11:19 PM   #67
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@bugmenawt - I think it's certainly possible, although it sounds really hot and uncomfortable. If you have a tendency to sweat a lot, I would advise against it, since PAX isn't the most breathable thing in the world and camping in the summer wearing PAX would be.....very sweaty and I wouldn't want you to overheat and pass out or something
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Unread 04-18-2011, 01:52 PM   #68
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Can you mix your PAX and store it for a while before wearing it? I was thinking of mixing a bunch of it to the color I wanted, test it on my skin and then store the rest in an air tight container for the con. Or is it just better to just mix the color when needed?
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Unread 04-19-2011, 07:36 AM   #69
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Do you think a bodypainting (PAX) could be worn 2 or 3 day? With only some repair. I really prefer the bodypainting over something else.
It can be done and I have done this twice. Repairs will be only needed on high friction areas (knees etc).


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Can you mix your PAX and store it for a while before wearing it? I was thinking of mixing a bunch of it to the color I wanted, test it on my skin and then store the rest in an air tight container for the con.
Yes, this should work. Just make sure you have enough time for application/drying/sealing.

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Unread 04-19-2011, 08:33 AM   #70
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Awesome, thanks for answering my question.
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Unread 07-07-2011, 12:14 AM   #71
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I have a question too. (Apologies for the "bump" I think...)

I'm looking for an alternative makeup for my Scanty to the Ben Nye cream I used last time, as it had a bad habit of rubbing off all over my white collar, even after it'd been throughly set. It was suggested to me that I try PAX. I really want a natural looking skin texture, and not something that looks like theres a "layer" of something over my skin. Does it tear and pull? Can you apply powders over it to reduce shine, and does it rub off at all?
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Unread 07-07-2011, 08:59 AM   #72
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I have a question too. (Apologies for the "bump" I think...)

I'm looking for an alternative makeup for my Scanty to the Ben Nye cream I used last time, as it had a bad habit of rubbing off all over my white collar, even after it'd been throughly set. It was suggested to me that I try PAX. I really want a natural looking skin texture, and not something that looks like theres a "layer" of something over my skin. Does it tear and pull? Can you apply powders over it to reduce shine, and does it rub off at all?
PAX doesn't tear or rub off if applied properly and powdered, so you don't have to worry about that. As I mentioned in my original post, you MUST powder PAX or it will stick to itself. Even before powdering, it's not shiny, and after powdering it's definitely not shiny.

The only thing that might bother you is that places like your neck, joints, around your mouth, etc, the PAX has to stretch as you move and you can see that in hall photos and close up. In those places, it will not look natural if you turn your head or smile. You can see the effect in this photo around my neck: http://www.cosplay.com/photo/2660478/
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Unread 07-11-2011, 01:07 AM   #73
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You definitely did a fantastic job with your body paint. I'm really happy you posted this explanation on here. I need to paint on some tattoos for the Lilith Borderlands costume I'm doing. I'm wanting it to look as authentic as possible. I thought about making a tattoo shirt but that may look too cheesy,although I might still try it for the heck of it before I order the paints.

Thanks again, I'll let you know how it works out!

Quick Question...what type of powder did you end up using?
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Unread 07-11-2011, 01:17 AM   #74
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Okay so I found this link for a 4oz bottle of the pros-aide, I just want to MAKE SURE this is the right stuff...also where did you buy yours? I'm kind of afraid to buy after just doing a random yahoo search. A reliable store would be awesome if you have a link! Thank you!

http://www.monsterclub.com/makeup-fx...-aid-4oz-.html
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Okay so I found this link for a 4oz bottle of the pros-aide, I just want to MAKE SURE this is the right stuff...also where did you buy yours? I'm kind of afraid to buy after just doing a random yahoo search. A reliable store would be awesome if you have a link! Thank you!

http://www.monsterclub.com/makeup-fx...-aid-4oz-.html

I get my Pros-Aide from FX Warehouse:
http://www.fxwarehouse.info/mm5/merc...ry_Code=ALLFSM

And the powder I used was a mix of baby powder and blue mica. I really suggest using translucent setting powder which is the best choice because it is colorless. The baby powder lightens the PAX a lot (since it's white).
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