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Unread 03-10-2011, 06:33 AM   #16
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I used to consider myself solidly middle of the road when it came to politics, but the latest policies being favored by the Tea Party-backed conservatives in power is pushing me to the left.
No, brother. We're still moderates. It's the so-called "conservatives" who have pulled the Republican party to the far right. Media stars like Limbaugh and Palin are their voice and any conservative with half a brain who wants to represent all their constituents and actually, you know, govern gets vilified and labeled a RINO.
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Unread 03-10-2011, 11:09 AM   #17
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A lot of people tend to forget that Planned Parenthood is not an abortion clinic and provides women with medical and safe sex support. I am not sure if this is the case with all PP but the ones around me you can go see their girly-part doctor and get 6 months of birth control free, then after 6 months it's sold to you pretty cheaply. But I digress..

I find the problem with politics (this refers to in our government officials not everyone as a whole) is that the Democrats want to do something but cant get shit done, the Republicans are batshit but can move a law faster than I can down an order at Taco Bell.
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Unread 03-10-2011, 02:07 PM   #18
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I like how in a thread labelled 'politics' the entirety of the discussion is North American :lol:

So a guy walks into the Liberal Democrat headquarters and says "I want a copy of your manifesto."
The man behind the counter replies "We've sold out."
"I know you have, but I want a copy of your manifesto."

Students from underprivileged backgrounds aren't going to university, CLEARLY WE RAISE TUITION FEES.
With the drop off in students our universities can't afford to run science and math courses any more and we won't be able to sustain our own technology industry, CLEARLY WE LIMIT IMMIGRATION
The country is getting more and more unhealthy, CLEARLY WE NEED TO CUT FUNDING TO THE NHS
We're still stuck in a war we never should have been involved in in the first place, CLEARLY WE NEED TO CUT FUNDING TO THE ARMY
People are protesting all over the place at the spending cuts, CLEARLY WE NEED TO CUT FUNDING TO THE POLICE
National literacy is dropping, CLEARLY WE NEED TO CUT FUNDING TO THE LIBRARIES
Race crime is at an all time high, CLEARLY WE MAKE LAWS DISCRIMINATING AGAINST MUSLIMS AND DECIDE TO MAKE A HOLIDAY CELEBRATING 'BRITISHNESS'

... since last time I checked 'Britishness' involved a round down the pub and a vindaloo, I don't think this day is going to be good for the decline in health. Why can't we have a 'Respect for the Aged' day like they do in Japan? I can't wait until we're shot of this government.
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Unread 03-10-2011, 03:25 PM   #19
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Tony Perkins, of the Family Research Council said this on Obama not defending DOMA, "Fitting if it were in the Middle East in one of those dictatorships."

I always knew the FRC were idiots but he isn't aware how anti-gay the Middle East is? Don't get me started on how stupid the dictatorship comparison is.
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Unread 03-10-2011, 04:38 PM   #20
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I like how in a thread labelled 'politics' the entirety of the discussion is North American :lol:

So a guy walks into the Liberal Democrat headquarters and says "I want a copy of your manifesto."
The man behind the counter replies "We've sold out."
"I know you have, but I want a copy of your manifesto."

Students from underprivileged backgrounds aren't going to university, CLEARLY WE RAISE TUITION FEES.
With the drop off in students our universities can't afford to run science and math courses any more and we won't be able to sustain our own technology industry, CLEARLY WE LIMIT IMMIGRATION
The country is getting more and more unhealthy, CLEARLY WE NEED TO CUT FUNDING TO THE NHS
We're still stuck in a war we never should have been involved in in the first place, CLEARLY WE NEED TO CUT FUNDING TO THE ARMY
People are protesting all over the place at the spending cuts, CLEARLY WE NEED TO CUT FUNDING TO THE POLICE
National literacy is dropping, CLEARLY WE NEED TO CUT FUNDING TO THE LIBRARIES
Race crime is at an all time high, CLEARLY WE MAKE LAWS DISCRIMINATING AGAINST MUSLIMS AND DECIDE TO MAKE A HOLIDAY CELEBRATING 'BRITISHNESS'

... since last time I checked 'Britishness' involved a round down the pub and a vindaloo, I don't think this day is going to be good for the decline in health. Why can't we have a 'Respect for the Aged' day like they do in Japan? I can't wait until we're shot of this government.
Here here.

I live in Suffolk, I'm 18, I go to 6th form college and am funded by EMA, money from the Government basicly for anyone else, which is £30 a week. Half of that is spent on travel, the other half food, school trips, retaking exams ect.

They're going to cut the student discount scheme on bus travel come April, at this point all of my money will be spent purely on travel costs leaving me nothing for food or educational costs. I haven't been able to get a job because there's such high unemployment round here.

East Anglia is the fastest growing area of the UK both in terms of population and economically speaking and yet it receives some of the lowest amount of funding from the Government in all of the UK with jobs continually being moved up north.

I hate it, people living in rural areas are being fucked essentially.
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Unread 03-10-2011, 05:30 PM   #21
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Well, so far we've all been from the U.S., so.

I was just talking to the PP employee who does HIV testing at our college. She says, in her personal opinion, Planned Parenthood isn't going anywhere. It's unlikely to pass the Senate, and Obama has already stated he won't sign it if it gets that far.

Still, what's pretty obvious is that the right wing has been making a solid statement that they are anti-choice and anti-woman. Even if none of the bills pass, they're basically coming right out and saying they are against bodily autonomy for those of us with wombs-- and those of us without wombs, too. They are prepared to remove those rights from us no matter what the cost. Scary stuff, and disheartening that we are going through this when it wasn't that long ago we fought for and won those rights in the first place.

There's also a lot of sneaky, underhanded stuff going on to remove power from unions, students, ethnic minorities-- basically any group that's unlikely to vote Republican. While I don't totally love any of the parties, and right now the U.S. essentially practices as a two-party country, they are trying to remove even more choice from all of us and pare it down to a one-party system. It's a bad, bad time all around.
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Unread 03-10-2011, 06:06 PM   #22
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The Japanese government is so inherently broken and corrupt that it's difficult to do anything but sigh and shake your head anymore.

But in things to be pissed about this week:

Another prime minister candidate came and went, chased out of potential office because he took a few thousand dollars in campaign donations from a Korean woman living in Japan... which makes him automatically a lap-dog to filthy foreigners out to subvert the unique and homogenous Japanese identity.

Related politics thread also popped up on the Japan Board about the Tokyo Animation Fair boycott and everyone's favorite xenophobic rape novelist mayor: Ishihara.
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Unread 03-10-2011, 06:11 PM   #23
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I like how in a thread labelled 'politics' the entirety of the discussion is North American :lol:
Well first, it is an American site which means a large American membership. Second, people tend to naturally be most concerned with news that affects them directly. So Americans are going to post about American news. It's really not a U.S.-centric issue. Brits will post about British news. Australians will post about Australian news. Japanese will post about Japanese news. etc.


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I was just talking to the PP employee who does HIV testing at our college. She says, in her personal opinion, Planned Parenthood isn't going anywhere. It's unlikely to pass the Senate, and Obama has already stated he won't sign it if it gets that far.

Still, what's pretty obvious is that the right wing has been making a solid statement that they are anti-choice and anti-woman. Even if none of the bills pass, they're basically coming right out and saying they are against bodily autonomy for those of us with wombs-- and those of us without wombs, too.
I really hope the PP employee is right, but I'm very concerned. This isn't just about a pro-choice/pro-life issue -- it's about women's HEALTH. Abortions make up only a very small percentage of PP, something like 5%. The rest is actual women's health care: bladder infections, yeast infections, BV, vaginal exams, exams for breast cancer, tests for pelvic cancer, treatment for pain, treatment for menstrual problems -- none of which are specifically related to sexual activity -- along with pregnancy tests and prenatal issues. And what's worse, I believe those who are hell-bent on removing PP know this. Which means we have political figures declaring a war on women's health.

PP is sometimes the ONLY safe resource for women who have been raped or abused. So politicians who are trying to eliminate PP are essentially fighting a war against rape and abuse victims. Really? REALLY?? These are the people you're going to penalize? In addition, PP is often the only resource for poor women, newly immigrated women, women without health insurance, young women who are too terrified to turn to friends or family, women who never received proper sexual-health education. These women are all going for BASIC MEDICAL CARE, in addition to the possible birth control and abortion services.

I find it indescribably insulting and angering that men can get Viagra prescriptions more easily than women can get basic reproductive HEALTH CARE. It's basically like stamping all women with a scarlet A saying "men have an innate right to sex that deserves unwavering support, but women who have sex are irresponsible whores who don't deserve assistance for any health care involving their breasts, fallopian tubes, uterus, or vagina."

The stories from other representatives fighting for PP have been heartbreaking to me. And emotions aside, it has been pointed out that having PP actually SAVES money. I think the figure I read yesterday stated that cutting funding to PP would actually cost the government 4 times as much by funneling all of those patients into emergency care and other programs.

So yeah, this makes me angry. I pay taxes, I am a citizen, I vote. And a significant portion of politicians right now are saying I don't matter. I realize I'm kinda preaching to the choir here, but I had to vent.

ETA: I'm also pissed off and concerned about a whole bunch of other political issues. Like, a lot. But one thing at a time.
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Unread 03-10-2011, 06:36 PM   #24
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glitter bomb, you are on like Donkey Kong.

They're attacking abortion, but while they're at it they're ruining health care for women-- and men as well, and trans people, etc. You're right, abortion comprises a very small percentage of the services PP provides, and the anti-PP activists seem to overlook that the majority of hospitals and many private clinics also provide abortion services. Are they going to try and shut down hospitals? Oh, no, because hospitals don't cater primarily to women and low-income people.

I'm also so, so sick of the argument that "PP practically forces women to get abortions." NO. I can tell you, that is absolutely not the case-- certainly not in contrast to the centers run by religious groups that coerce young women into going there and then try and guilt them into going through with their pregnancies. I'm not saying women shouldn't be educated about or open to other options, but women are perfectly capable of making up their own minds and shouldn't be shamed, blamed, and judged.

Anyway, I'm also a union person, so naturally I'm super peeved at the underhanded tactics the Republicans pulled in Wisconsin. This is a major blow to all of us union workers across the country. I just got an email from AFSCME (American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees) regarding "the massive grassroots campaign to recall the Republican lawmakers who gamed the system last night"; if you're interested in contributing to the fight, you can throw a few bucks their way here.
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Unread 03-10-2011, 07:01 PM   #25
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glitter bomb, you are on like Donkey Kong.
hee. I first read that as "you are like Donkey Kong" and didn't know what that meant. big and hairy? throwing barrels?

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Anyway, I'm also a union person, so naturally I'm super peeved at the underhanded tactics the Republicans pulled in Wisconsin. This is a major blow to all of us union workers across the country. I just got an email from AFSCME (American Federation of State, County, and Municipal Employees) regarding "the massive grassroots campaign to recall the Republican lawmakers who gamed the system last night"; if you're interested in contributing to the fight, you can throw a few bucks their way here.
I've been alternately enraged, alarmed and just plain nervous about what's been going on in Wisconsin. Particularly that it's gotten to this point with no intervention or accountability, and what that might mean for other states. I mean, how obvious does abuse of the system have to be before someone steps in and says "ok, you're out and this has to stop"? When the police (who aren't affected by the union attacks) turn against your party and stand in support of the other unions and citizens, that right there should be a friggin clue. I'm wondering what's going to happen if there is a universal strike. Aside from the shutdown of key services, that could lead to some nasty rioting and crime sprees.

I read yesterday that some equally sketchy things are happening in Michigan. Crapola.

It seems there is at least a very vocal part of the population protesting and trying to take action. That gives me a little hope.
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This isn't just about a pro-choice/pro-life issue -- it's about women's HEALTH. Abortions make up only a very small percentage of PP, something like 5%. The rest is actual women's health care: bladder infections, yeast infections, BV, vaginal exams, exams for breast cancer, tests for pelvic cancer, treatment for pain, treatment for menstrual problems -- none of which are specifically related to sexual activity -- along with pregnancy tests and prenatal issues. /snip/
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PP Isn't some back-alley abortionist with a rusty hanger. At 21 I haven't had health care for almost 3 years, until I was able to get under my fathers just this month. It was coming to the point where Planned Parenthood was going to be my ONLY choice in any sort of health care :/ A breast exam, vaginal exam and testing for a sexually transmitted disease are very serious medical procedures that aren't some sort of throw away issue. An exam can mean the difference in early detection of breast cancer for christ sakes. Thats.Serious.Shit.

How little does someone have to care about the health and well being of women and YOUNG GIRLS to decide that because there's ONE THING you dislike about an organization that your personal morals make it okay to abolish the one place some women can go for the most basic of health care?
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Unread 03-10-2011, 07:48 PM   #28
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This whole story has been many levels of stupid ever since I heard about the liberal government here deciding it was a good idea to finance a new stadium.

The government promises money for the new stadium, in 1 city that will be pretty much non-useful to anyone not close to it --- and as soon as the new year rolls over, we get 1% provincial sales tax increase.

...here we pay 5% federal sales tax on any non-necessity purchases we make and to that is added the provincial tax, which makes for 8.5% (Used to be 7.5%). From where does anyone think the money for the stadium comes from?

Yet, instead of anyone mulling this over, everyone seems to talk about the return of an hockey team that is dead and buried for years. WHAT IS EVERYONE HERE THINKING?!??!

There's also an ongoing drama about the appointment of judges that the references are all in french that I can't link to.

...all I want is to see the liberals here lose their seat of power.

..but who is to take their places? I kind of wonder.

Also adding to this, here one of the most annoying (personally) parts of our lovely government is this band of assclowns.

They force displays to have primarly french language on them, any other language (english mainly) needs to be in smaller character or less accessible, they inspect business to ensure the tools they use are in french.

A lot of their methods has made many adults with only french as their language of communication (Except in Montrťal, which sees a lot of diversity), instead of encouraging bilingual discourse, but their methods creep further along.

They've first ruled (many years ago) that games imported locally need to have french language on them, and french manuals, otherwise they'd be refused. Last year, that went further and *required* game suppliers to provide the french version of the game locally over the english one.

Technically, the english one is still allowed if no french localization is available, but a lot of large chains will flat out not store multiple titles (or special editions) because of this rule. We also frequently get european versions of games instead of US ones because of this, of major note was Blizzard releases, which limit Quťbec players to play on EU servers instead of US because of the locale of their games.

Urgh.

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Sometimes I truly do feel like moving to some socialistic Nordic paradise. The continued and seemingly bottomless idiocy being voiced by those who never open a book, never empathize with someone outside their ethnicity or religion, or whose source of morality appears to be an unholy alliance of the Bible and Ayn Rand seems to be the driving force of every bill being suggested by the current legislative body of the United States. For fuck's sake -- one quarter of this country seems to trust the blatherings of a beet-faced jack-a-nape on Fox News who is insane enough to label Teddy Roosevelt a communist. Every issue is politicized. Every single piece of news that reaches our ears is broken down and fractured into something unrecognizable to fit into a comfortable black-and-white issue that the average idiot with his or her thumb ready to flick whatever Republican switch Rush Limbaugh tells him to exert force on when they're in the voting booth can comprehend.

Ridiculous.
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This whole story has been many levels of stupid ever since I heard about the liberal government here deciding it was a good idea to finance a new stadium.

The government promises money for the new stadium, in 1 city that will be pretty much non-useful to anyone not close to it --- and as soon as the new year rolls over, we get 1% provincial sales tax increase.

...here we pay 5% federal sales tax on any non-necessity purchases we make and to that is added the provincial tax, which makes for 8.5% (Used to be 7.5%). From where does anyone think the money for the stadium comes from?

Yet, instead of anyone mulling this over, everyone seems to talk about the return of an hockey team that is dead and buried for years. WHAT IS EVERYONE HERE THINKING?!??!

There's also an ongoing drama about the appointment of judges that the references are all in french that I can't link to.

...all I want is to see the liberals here lose their seat of power.

..but who is to take their places? I kind of wonder.

Also adding to this, here one of the most annoying (personally) parts of our lovely government is this band of assclowns.

They force displays to have primarly french language on them, any other language (english mainly) needs to be in smaller character or less accessible, they inspect business to ensure the tools they use are in french.

A lot of their methods has made many adults with only french as their language of communication (Except in Montrťal, which sees a lot of diversity), instead of encouraging bilingual discourse, but their methods creep further along.

They've first ruled (many years ago) that games imported locally need to have french language on them, and french manuals, otherwise they'd be refused. Last year, that went further and *required* game suppliers to provide the french version of the game locally over the english one.

Technically, the english one is still allowed if no french localization is available, but a lot of large chains will flat out not store multiple titles (or special editions) because of this rule. We also frequently get european versions of games instead of US ones because of this, of major note was Blizzard releases, which limit Quťbec players to play on EU servers instead of US because of the locale of their games.

Urgh.
When i worked at gamestop we shipped a lot of used games to Quebec. We also got in a lot of used French games, only we didn't know they were French until people bought them and returned them saying "it's in French". So i'd ship them back to our head office with "Defective: French." :P

As for Blizzard, I suppose you could buy the game online and play on NA servers, but still that sucks.

And hell, your sales tax is cheap... i'm moving to Quebec! (here it's 13%)
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