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Unread 12-20-2012, 07:32 AM   #4741
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Here's a positive story for a change - Out magazine names Nate Silver their person of the year. My favorite quotes from the interview:

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Peggy Noonan is someone who is very, very skilled at making bullshit look like some elegant soufflť
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Iím very conservative in some sense because I do believe that hard work is a huge part of the equation. Itís often not sufficient to bring about success, but itís very often necessary if you want to be really good at something.
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A lot of this is about values. I think I have a better value system than the punditsóI care about truth, and I care about informing people, and they care about ratings.
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Unread 12-20-2012, 10:29 AM   #4742
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So... what happens to Lanza's brother? Or the rest of his family?


Childrens families aside, the Lanza will now be scrutinized for all time
So what? All they have to do is legally change they're name if they want to avoid this scrutiny that concerns you so.
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Unread 12-20-2012, 10:38 AM   #4743
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So what? All they have to do is legally change they're name if they want to avoid this scrutiny that concerns you so.
Not really. It's not that simple for them

Changing your entire history/backstory, and name, along with moving to a new place, that's not easy.
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Unread 12-20-2012, 10:53 AM   #4744
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Well if you want to be sympathetic towards them, more power to you. I simply don't care.
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Unread 12-21-2012, 01:32 AM   #4745
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I wasn't directing the initial comment at you Sam.

Its not about my personal care, its about the news and what they show. plenty of some kids parents and mourning, but not the other end of the spectrum's victims
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Unread 12-21-2012, 11:04 AM   #4746
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I just watched a speech the head of the NRA gave.

At the risk of sounding like an ignorant inhabitant of a small island...mainstream political figures in the USA actually believe all that?
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Unread 12-21-2012, 11:28 AM   #4747
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I just watched a speech the head of the NRA gave.

At the risk of sounding like an ignorant inhabitant of a small island...mainstream political figures in the USA actually believe all that?
I haven't watched LaPierre's speech and I'm not able to find the full text, but the gist I'm getting is that he blamed violent media (again), and that the NRA is proposing to fight school shootings by placing armed volunteers in schools.

Yes, there are politicians that actually believe this is a good idea. Texas's Representative Gohmert stated "I wish to God she had had an m-4 in her office, locked up so when she heard gunfire, she pulls it out ... and takes him out and takes his head off before he can kill those precious kids".

Virginia's governor said, "If people were armed, not just a police officer, but other school officials that were trained and chose to have a weapon, certainly there would be an opportunity to stop an individual trying to get into the school".

Governor Perry of TX (who was a Republican candidate for President) praised a school district in his state that allows teachers and other school staff to carry concealed weapons at work.

Representative Dennis Richard, of Oregon, stated in an email that, if he'd been at Sandy Hook with a gun, he would have been able to take Lanza out before anyone else was hurt.

Their answer to ending gun violence is, legitimately, to give more people more guns.
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Unread 12-21-2012, 12:04 PM   #4748
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I haven't watched LaPierre's speech and I'm not able to find the full text, but the gist I'm getting is that he blamed violent media (again), and that the NRA is proposing to fight school shootings by placing armed volunteers in schools.

Yes, there are politicians that actually believe this is a good idea. Texas's Representative Gohmert stated "I wish to God she had had an m-4 in her office, locked up so when she heard gunfire, she pulls it out ... and takes him out and takes his head off before he can kill those precious kids".

Virginia's governor said, "If people were armed, not just a police officer, but other school officials that were trained and chose to have a weapon, certainly there would be an opportunity to stop an individual trying to get into the school".

Governor Perry of TX (who was a Republican candidate for President) praised a school district in his state that allows teachers and other school staff to carry concealed weapons at work.

Representative Dennis Richard, of Oregon, stated in an email that, if he'd been at Sandy Hook with a gun, he would have been able to take Lanza out before anyone else was hurt.

Their answer to ending gun violence is, legitimately, to give more people more guns.
Texas, Virigina, Oregon......waiting for reps from Flordia, AZ and Colorado to weigh-in to complete this shit sandwhich.
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Unread 12-21-2012, 12:04 PM   #4749
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I haven't watched LaPierre's speech and I'm not able to find the full text, but the gist I'm getting is that he blamed violent media (again), and that the NRA is proposing to fight school shootings by placing armed volunteers in schools.

Their answer to ending gun violence is, legitimately, to give more people more guns.


I think the biggest issue is these people are assuming the individuals in question are the 'good guys'. They're basing their statements off the assumption that the armed volunteers are going to be the good guys versus the 'other' bad guys. That these random people volunteering are going to be trained guards standing vigil in the halls protecting Americas youngin's. But they aren't considering for a single second that any of these people could be anything other then ultimately good. They're thinking of school shooters as an 'other' rather than being part of us and that's a dangerous separation to make when it leads to assuming the 'us' is universally good.


What damage could a group of armed adults do in a single elementary school? What about threatening a child at gun point? What's a 5 year old child going to do if one of those armed volunteers holds a gun to them and threatens them in order to command them inappropriately? These are adult men and women (though my assumption is they mean men) who would be in an enormous position of power over young children who are completely powerless and no one thinks for a single second this could be a bad thing?

Are you going to do background checks on the volunteers and figure they're A-Ok?Are you going to assume that because they don't have depression or a criminal record that they're incapable of doing something bad? I am just going to go ahead and bite the unpleasant bullet and throw this out in the open:

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What if these volunteers are sexually abusing the children at school? A vast majority of molestation cases go unreported and young children very rarely seek out help themselves. The reported rate of sexual abuse by age 18 is 1-4 girls and 1-6 to 10 boys though it's suspected the rate is equal with girls.


They're making the assumption that these theoretical volunteers are 'us' and that 'us' means good, so the bad guys must be 'them' and are completely detached from 'us'. That's a very dangerous mentality when throwing out ideas like this.
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Unread 12-21-2012, 12:06 PM   #4750
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Texas, Virigina, Oregon......waiting for reps from Flordia, AZ and Colorado to weigh-in to complete this shit sandwhich.
Oh, they have, but they were all spouting the same rhetoric and I didn't see any point in repeating myself too many times.
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Unread 12-21-2012, 01:53 PM   #4751
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I was mostly getting at the "good and bad guys" bit.

I found it quite odd he started portraying the world in terms of heroes and villains after blaming mental illness and violent works of fiction for shootings.
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Unread 12-21-2012, 02:13 PM   #4752
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I was mostly getting at the "good and bad guys" bit.

I found it quite odd he started portraying the world in terms of heroes and villains after blaming mental illness and violent works of fiction for shootings.
And the Hurricane.

And the President.

And the Media.

And look, I'm not saying you should be like "I feel that Call of Duty : Black Ops 2, a game available on several devices" when you're trying to use videya as a scapegoat, but name dropping 2 games that A) Dont have guns amd B) Are 15+ year old show that you're a tad behind the times, and out of your friggin mind.

Also guess what-Canada, Asia, and Europe have access to THE SAME VIOLENT WORKS OF FICTION AS WE DO AND THEY ARE NOT SHOOTING UP THE PLACE!
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Unread 12-21-2012, 02:46 PM   #4753
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Violent media (books, games, etc) do not cause people to become violent.

Not properly educating our youth to understand the difference between reality and fantasy contributes to it. As does a host of other things such as teaching empathy for others and teaching our children (particularly young boys) to value other people.

You know all those kids programs? Like Blues Clues and Dora the Explorer? Children under a certain age (I believe it's 4 or 5) cannot even differentiate between when their show begins (regardless of it's purely animated like Dora or has live actors like Blue's Clues) and when commercial adverts come on. Which is why some countries have actually banned marketing companies from targeting very young children as part of their advertisements. They mentally have no skills in determining the difference. They just don't. They're like little bundles of baby play-dough that are shaped and stretched every which way because they just don't have the capacity to know the difference yet.
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Unread 12-21-2012, 10:32 PM   #4754
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Unread 12-21-2012, 11:26 PM   #4755
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You know Columbine had an armed guy on their property. Part of some community policing program. He fired at Harris - 4 bullets - and he hit him... but he was wearing Kevlar or w/e and so even though he spun hard, he wasn't actually wounded.

So i mean, even if you conceive that more armed persons would be a good idea - you are basically in an escalation race.

I mean it was only this summer i head about innocent bystanders being killed in a shootout between NYC cops and some disgruntled ex-employee.... and these cops are consistently trained in using a gun (I hope).
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