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Unread 11-06-2014, 03:04 AM   #1
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Cosplay "fame"

So, it has become very popular for cosplayer to become sort of celebrities within the community. There's the cast of Heroes of Cosplay, there's Yaya Han, Kamui Cosplay etc. These are all very talented people, who have worked hard to reach the status they now have, and it's very impressive.

But lately, I've noticed a lot of cosplayers who sort of try to buy their way into this. I'm not going to mention any names, but I have noticed a lot of cosplayers, who for example bought likes and went from 100 to 1000 likes overnight. Often, these cosplayers are very ambitious in their projects, but lack the patience and focus to actually finish any of the elaborate costumes they start and, instead, resort to "I put fur on a bikini and did sexy poses".
These usually don't bother me much, because if that's how they enjoy cosplay, then that's their business, and I can just stay out of it.

But lately, there's particularly one person, whom I know has even lied about achievements to get herself invited as a guest at a convention. Her lying has gone as far as to claiming she's won a costume contest at a convention that I know for a fact didn't even take place. I can't believe anyone would even go there.

And this makes me think - is this where cosplay is headed? Talent doesn't mean anything, if you have enough likes and claim you've done things, you automatically achieve a certain status?
Even though I do cosplay for myself, because I enjoy it, it kind of sucks working intensely for months on an intricate costume, only to see someone slap something together overnight and get more "shoulder pads".

This might sound like I'm just jealous, and although I would love to get invited as a guest to a convention, I myself am critical enough of my own work to know that I am not yet in the league of the high quality cosplayers. But if people who bring no craftmanship and no true-to-character cosplay to the table are suddenly "cosplay stars", then what is the criteria now to earn that status?

This is a really long ranting status, but I hope someone will find it an interesting subject. If not, just carry on as you were
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Unread 11-06-2014, 05:55 AM   #2
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Cosplay is certainly headed in a more commercialised direction. However, that does not mean that us hobbyists have to aim for the same thing as those people who cosplay from things they have never seen for page likes. These girls get the attention due to being pretty and doing popular cosplay or due to doing skimpy cosplay with good bodies with the aim of making money; very few of these girls start cosplaying with the idea of having fun or showing something love in mind. If you genuinely love the crafting process and dressing up to be a character you appreciate then you aren't in the same category as these people and what they do should not concern you.
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Unread 11-06-2014, 06:59 AM   #3
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That is true.
However, these people are invited to conventions that I go to, and get invited in the place of cosplayers who genuinely do well and are good at what they do, meaning instead of seeing someone I would really love to see in person, I have to look at some half-naked girl, who doesn't really care about cosplay. Of course, that's the fault of the convention, but the convention chooses who to invite based on who looks to be popular, and if someone bought a lot of likes, then they seem like they are popular.
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Unread 11-06-2014, 08:33 AM   #4
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I think one problem is,that the people who work for several months or even years on one cos to make it more and more perfect are often more of the "introverted" personality type,so they don't really want to be famous in that way. They like to be praised for their work, but they get their feelings of happiness when finishing their cos as good as possible, not by presenting it infront of an audience.
They don't necessarily feel the NEED to show themself and merchandize themselves.

I think lying or buying fame is bad, but a person that knows how to entertain their audience by wearing a cos is a good cosplayer and its great to have them around even when their cosplay isn't the best of the best.
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Unread 11-06-2014, 10:43 AM   #5
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I think one problem is,that the poeple who work for several months or even years on one cos to make it more and more perfect are often more of the "introverted" personality type,so then don't really want to famous in that way. Theylike to be praised for their work, but they get their feelings of happiness when finishing their cos as good as possible, not by presenting it infront of an audience.
They don't necessarily feel the NEED to show themself and merchandize themselves.

I think lying or buying fame is bad, but a person that knows how to entertain their audience by wearing a cos is a good cosplayer and its great to have them around even when their cosplay isn'tthe best of the best.
I guess you're right about that This particular person will also commission costumes from others and claim them as her own, which is partly why it bothers me so much.
But perhaps she will be a good entertainer at a convention, who knows.
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Unread 11-06-2014, 11:24 AM   #6
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I would appreciate we refrain from bashing conventionally pretty girls who wear skimpy costumes, thank you. I thought we were done with the idea of "fake geek girls" but apparently not.

It is wrong for someone to lie about their achievements for the sake of gaining popularity. But I think we all know that they aren't going to get very far in the world of "cosplay fame" based solely on that.

In the end, though, talent /doesn't/ mean anything in the world of cosplay. There are countless super talented cosplayers with a lot of facebook fans, and they may get invited to some cons, but in the end, we're all just doing this for fun, and unless you're Yaya Han or someone just as notable who can make a legitimate living off of cosplay, that's all we'll ever be doing it for. :P
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Unread 11-06-2014, 11:31 AM   #7
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Unread 11-06-2014, 11:52 AM   #8
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It's a matter of self-promotion. Lying's shitty, but most of the rest of what you're describing is what happens when somebody whose focus is self-promotion intersects with a hobby.

Reminding people you exist, asking them to respond to you, consciously trying to appeal to as many people as possible...these are things anybody can do. A lot of people would like the results but find the work of self-promotion awkward and embarrassing. No problem. But that work isn't inherently dishonest.

Self-promotion and genuine interest in a hobby can easily co-exist. Don't dismiss someone's skill because they're willing to market themselves. That's how the market works for pretty much every creative job out there, after all.
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Unread 11-06-2014, 12:23 PM   #9
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I'm not bashing pretty girls who wear skimpy cosplays, I'm bashing people who do a minimum of effort and lie their way to fame. As you can see from my profile, I'm not against showing skin. I'm against lying to get ahead of people who are genuinely good at what they do.
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Unread 11-06-2014, 12:24 PM   #10
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I would appreciate we refrain from bashing conventionally pretty girls who wear skimpy costumes, thank you. I thought we were done with the idea of "fake geek girls" but apparently not.

It is wrong for someone to lie about their achievements for the sake of gaining popularity. But I think we all know that they aren't going to get very far in the world of "cosplay fame" based solely on that.

In the end, though, talent /doesn't/ mean anything in the world of cosplay. There are countless super talented cosplayers with a lot of facebook fans, and they may get invited to some cons, but in the end, we're all just doing this for fun, and unless you're Yaya Han or someone just as notable who can make a legitimate living off of cosplay, that's all we'll ever be doing it for. :P
Yeah pretty much this.

I know plenty of people that have a questionable amount of followers and questionable activity, but we're all in this for the fun of it.

It is a shame though that people have to go through hurtful ways to get "popular" these days though. You shouldn't have to lie about anything in this hobby. We're a bunch of nerds what do we honestly have to lose?
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Unread 11-06-2014, 12:33 PM   #11
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Ok, I regret I said the part about her wearing just a bikini. It's not about her looks or what she wears, it's not because she's working to appeal to men, it was more about the amount of work put into the costume. I don't mind skimpy outfits if it's well executed.

The focus and main problem as I see it is the whole lying part and in general, importance of likes to such a degree that you would buy them.
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Unread 11-06-2014, 12:39 PM   #12
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^I agree with you in that lying is wrong. That also falls on the convention staff for not doing more research before inviting said cosplayer to the con as a guest, imo. It's disappointing, but it won't lead the cosplayer anywhere great, believe me.

As far as buying likes, are you talking about buying advertising space? I see absolutely nothing wrong with advertising your cosplay page if you have the money to. If /I/ had the money to burn, I might even do it myself, but I'd rather put funds toward more costumes. There's nothing wrong with wanting your page to reach a bigger audience. Then, more people who are interested in what the cosplayer is doing have the opportunity to check their page out and add their own like. Unless I'm misunderstanding, it's not that any of the likes gained through advertising are fake or forced?
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If likes can be bought, and you'd like some, have you considered buying them yourself?
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Likes can be bought (illegally) outside of Facebook. You just put in how many you want and pay up, and bam, your likes go up.

I don't want to buy likes, because to me, it is dishonest. And, like I said, illegal.

Anyways, I don't think this discussion is going in the direction I intended. I merely wished to assure that there are people out there who don't support this kind of behaviour, because it seems like there are a lot who approve of it, and I'm not sure I'd like to be part of a community that accepts lying and cheating. But I guess that's all of humanity, not just cosplay.
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