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Unread 05-20-2011, 08:49 PM   #46
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As of the past few years, the ability to buy costumes online cheaply has affected the costuming trend at said cons. A good number of "cosplayers" buy their costumes instead of making them, so a conference on costuming techniques and workshops really holds no interest for them, unless they are attempting to make the jump. I think for a lot of cosplayers, the attention garnered by wearing a costume is the main reason for wearing it, not the satisfaction of being able to make it.
This is true. Very true.

AND YET...among them are people who don't just glom onto the hobby via what they see at other anime cons and think that buying is the only way it's done - there are still people who have learned by hanging out here at these forums and other places that the way to get the perfect costume they want is to make it themselves. Those people who get bitten by the costuming bug are the ones we want to attract to CC. They would come, and will come, if they can get around the misconceptions and/or learn enough about it to realize that it's totally what they want out of a con.

I suppose we're at that critical juncture historically-speaking where the old guard way of doing things is going to have to go by the wayside. The internet is the world marketplace of ideas and information, and even the would-be CC con chairs and their staff have to get on board with it or get run over. Thankfully, gamergeekgirlx and Kaijugal and sarcasm-hime and Bruce and Nora and geez lots of smart people are already on board with this, and doing the best they can while still banging their heads against people for whom the internet is a big scary thing they don't know how to work to their advantage. Time to change that, first of all, I think.
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Unread 05-21-2011, 02:13 AM   #47
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I know I shouldn't have to say this but for those who may come along and read the thread later; there is lots of room for commissioned or store bought costumes at Costume-Con, just not in the competitions. At the socials, theme parties, on the tours, i.e. tea parties, and in the halls it's all good. There is room for everybody.
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Unread 05-21-2011, 02:18 PM   #48
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I know I shouldn't have to say this but for those who may come along and read the thread later; there is lots of room for commissioned or store bought costumes at Costume-Con, just not in the competitions. At the socials, theme parties, on the tours, i.e. tea parties, and in the halls it's all good. There is room for everybody.

Absolutely! All types of costume are welcome - recreations, fantasy, media, historical, ethnic, self-made, purchased - everything! Even wearable art.

Each of the events & competitions have their own rules & mostly they prohibit purchased items from competing but certainly that doesn't atter in the halls.

Good point, Dawn & one misconception we needed to note.
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Unread 05-22-2011, 12:08 PM   #49
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I think a good description of what each of the four contests are is key, and also any other contests (doll, hat, quilt, etc.). On CC29's website it's just the rules listed. Rules are helpful, but sometimes come up short as to what a new person can expect in the contest. People who attend anime conventions likely have a good idea of what to expect for the F/SF Masquerade, except that workmanship judging is done in the green room where at anime cons they're often done earlier in the day at a specific time slot.

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You mean like this?
http://www.costume-con.org/gallery2/main.php and http://www.costume-con.org/gallery2/...2_itemId=13399 ?
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Unread 05-22-2011, 12:12 PM   #50
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I know I shouldn't have to say this but for those who may come along and read the thread later; there is lots of room for commissioned or store bought costumes at Costume-Con, just not in the competitions. At the socials, theme parties, on the tours, i.e. tea parties, and in the halls it's all good. There is room for everybody.
This occured to me as well. It's on the FAQ list I'm putting together and will be posting here for feedback.
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As this years webmaster, I want to say that many of the descriptions of events and stuff I had to make up on the fly and tried my best to do research on to describe them which took me hours of work of searching posts and mentions of previous events.

I think in general, there's a lot of assumptions of the regular attending members of costume-con that everyone already knows what happens there. But if you are new and have interest, getting information about it is like pulling teeth.

We just call it "cosplay" because it's the term that's used at the conventions we attend (mine being mostly anime conventions).

I think among the "cosplayers" that attended from the US, most of which I know personally, there was the feeling that costume-con has a "good ol' boy" feel to it.

Another thing is that it might have been easier to garner members from the "cosplay" community 5 years ago. However, the majority of our conventions' members now-a-days are under 18, and usually only attend conventions with their parents or with a permission slip. Anime cons members are typically getting younger. As of the past few years, the ability to buy costumes online cheaply has affected the costuming trend at said cons. A good number of "cosplayers" buy their costumes instead of making them, so a conference on costuming techniques and workshops really holds no interest for them, unless they are attempting to make the jump. I think for a lot of cosplayers, the attention garnered by wearing a costume is the main reason for wearing it, not the satisfaction of being able to make it.
Yeah, unfortunately, many of the committee heads in the recent past have run other CCs previously, and have kind of been on auto-pilot. And as CapsulCorp has said, they're not that Net savvy, whidh is why we need more younger, tech savvy people on committees. But of course, ya gotta be familiar with the format, first. There's the flip side of people who THINK they know how CC works, and they're wrong, thus repeating old mistakes.

Did you try to do your research first, or email someone like the service mark holder? Because she could have answered your questions readily, since it's her baby. That's the committee's fault if they didn't give you a central contact point person.

On the term "cosplay": while I understand the generic term usage, there's definitely a difference between "cosplay" as it's usually used and "costuming". That distinction needs to be made, as part of clearing up misconceptions.

As you and CapsuleCorp have discovered, there is a certain amount of assumptions made that new people will be familiar with the format. That's because many of the committee heads are over 30 and have never attended an anime con. At most, they assume people are coming from a general SF con background, which really isn't true, these days. What needs to be stressed is, now that we're getting new people in more significant numbers, and many are coming from the anime cons, they need to basically act like it's a new convention/conference. This doesn't mean change the format - just explain it, so the differences are seen.

This is a contributing factor to the "good ol' boy network" perception. These folks have been attending for a long time, and as has been mentioned, don't get to see each other except at CC. Almost all of them want to welcome new people, but kind of forget to be pro-active. Just about all of us "old guardians" on this forum recognize that. So, it's incumbent upon us to poke the standing committees into action, and I think you will see the fruits of those efforts over the next 3 years. The rest of you are helping to shape the new policies, which we appreciate.

People who exclusively wear paid-for costumes: If their focus is just wearing costume, the hoareds of photographers and the excitement over recognizable characters, then no, CC is not for them. Costuming is treated as wearable art at CC. And (beyond the usual personality differences), everyone is treated as an equal. There is no "squee factor". Our pursuit is learning and displaying our art form. And having fun while doing it.

From what I have heard, we want to reach out to those anime fans/cosplayers who aren't discouraged by being told they're "too old to cosplay" (how rude!) and continue to want to make costumes for the enjoyment of it. They are the ones who want to branch out into original creations, as well as continue to make recreations. And, of course, anyone is welcome who just likes to look at what people have created (photographers, tech people, etc.)
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Well said, Bruce.

Tangentially, ahahaha I'm in the thumbnail for the CC28 gallery. Awesome. XD I do love the way the galleries are set up, it's so easy to just glide in and check out the range of costumes presented in the contests every year. I for one will be ready to hand out that link to anyone who's thinking about going to CostumeCon and wants to know what kinds of costumes fly there - though the short answer is "all of them!" people may want to know what they'd be up against in competition.
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Unread 05-22-2011, 09:00 PM   #53
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Tangentially, ahahaha I'm in the thumbnail for the CC28 gallery. Awesome. XD I do love the way the galleries are set up, it's so easy to just glide in and check out the range of costumes presented in the contests every year. I for one will be ready to hand out that link to anyone who's thinking about going to CostumeCon and wants to know what kinds of costumes fly there - though the short answer is "all of them!" people may want to know what they'd be up against in competition.
Yes, yes you are
I've been helping with the Costume-Con Visual Archives for the last couple of years helping load the official photos since I'm a dab hand with the Gallery software. So I try to put something visually "catchy" for the primary thumbnail.

The Gallery for Costume-Con ( http://www.costume-con.org/gallery2/main.php ) can definitely give you the flavor for what shows up there & is competed. And for even more pictures from Costume-Cons, particularly hall costumes, check out the International Costumers Gallery ( https://costume.pixi.me/main.php ).

Did I mention I also stump for the ICG Archives as well?
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Unread 05-23-2011, 06:35 PM   #54
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We went through a lot of this promoting CC26, which we did for a total of FIVE years (two years as a bid and 3 more after we won the bid). That got the attendance up to around 900 people, but it was a LOT of work. That work included helping out at Anime LA and all sorts of costumed events, not just conventions. Andy and I were fortunate that we had the disposable income to do all that travel and promotion; many convention committee members do not.

We did try to keep a thread of "new to Costume-Con" articles on the website (for instance, http://www.cc26.info/news_item.php?article=CC-26%20101), and I've left the website active in case anyone ever needs the info as reference.
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We went through a lot of this promoting CC26, which we did for a total of FIVE years (two years as a bid and 3 more after we won the bid). That got the attendance up to around 900 people, but it was a LOT of work. That work included helping out at Anime LA and all sorts of costumed events, not just conventions. Andy and I were fortunate that we had the disposable income to do all that travel and promotion; many convention committee members do not.

We did try to keep a thread of "new to Costume-Con" articles on the website (for instance, http://www.cc26.info/news_item.php?article=CC-26%20101), and I've left the website active in case anyone ever needs the info as reference.
And the work certainly paid off, although you had a built in advantage, because it was California. As is typical, CCs generally attract more people from the region where that particular convention is appearing that year. Californians pretty much have everything they want there, so they don't feel a need to travel beyond the Rockies. And there are a LOT of conventions there to draw from. Midwestern CCs, have been smaller and more intimate. East Coast ones are generally slightly bigger.


By the way, I'm currently putting together an FAQ that I want people who have never attended or were new to CC to comment on, and add anything they think should be included.
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Okay - here it is. I've incoporated what's been said here so far to come up with this FAQ that will answer at least some of the questions people have had before the con. If you have additions, let me know. Once I've got a final tally, I'll take them back to the committees and the RUNACC Yahoo Group to put it up.

How many people attend Costume-Con?
Is this a media convention?
What kinds of costuming will I see at Costume-Con?
Will I look out of place if I’m not wearing a costume all the time?
I don’t make costumes. Are purchased ones okay?
Everyone looks like they’re so much better than me! Why should I bother?
Is this run by the International Costumers Guild?
What kinds of subjects are taught in the panels?
Are people paid to speak or given a free membership?
Is there a list or schedule of panels I can look at, to see if I’d be interested?
Why is Costume-Con so expensive to attend?
Are there any special guest celebrities?
What is the Friday Night Social and what happens at it?
What is the “Con Suite”?
I’m shy, and I’m afraid no one will talk to me. What should I do?
I’ve heard that the masquerades have “Tech Rehearsals”. What are those?
What is the Skill Division system for?
How do I know at what level should I enter at?
I’ve heard something referred to as a “Green Room”. What’s that for?
I’ve seen mention of something called a “Den Mom”. What’s that?
Workmanship Judging sounds intimidating. How does that work, and why should I bother?
Do I need to have documentation? What format should it be in?
Are there any cash prizes?
I’ve heard some guild chapters give out their own awards. What’s that about?
What is the Historical Masquerade?
Why is documentation so important for this masquerade and why does it have its own category?
Can my parents/friends/etc. come to see the shows?
I’ve heard there are no activities/panels scheduled opposite the shows. Why is that?
This is supposed to be a 4 day conference. Why should I stay through Monday?
I’d like to volunteer. Who should I talk to?


Your feedback is appreciated.
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"Everyone looks like they’re so much better than me! Why should I bother?"

I have been asking myself this ALL WEEK ever since Nora put up the link to the galleries. I spent all night ogling costumes from the 90's and feeling so unworthy.

No really that's a good list, so far. If you want to make sure you have all the unique events covered, you might also include "what is" questions for the Future Fashion Show/Folio and the Single Pattern contest. ESPECIALLY the Folio - I just fielded questions about it from one of MACS's newest members last week, now that I think about it.
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<smack!>

That would be the sound of completely having a blind spot that missed that. Not sure what happened - whether I just missed it in cut and paste, or I really did completely forget it. Thanks!

Anything else anybody has questions on?
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I think that list of FAQs is great, and covers everything I would have wanted to know, and likely anything that any newcomer could want to know. That's awesome.
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Okay - to add to the FAQ for the things I forgot:

What is the Future Fashion Folio?
How do you submit designs?
How are the designs judged?
How can I enter when I can't/don't draw?
Do I have to be a member of the convention?
Can I make up someone's design, even though I can't go to CC this year?
What happens in the Future Fashion Show?
What is the Single Pattern competition?
Are there any other competitions?
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