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Unread 12-14-2012, 03:07 PM   #4831
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I have pretty much the same opinion.

My Rant of the Day:

I have 8 hours the week of Christmas! 8! I'm not even working Christmas Eve! (Which is odd)
Several seasonal people are working 39 hours that week!
I think regular employees should take priority over seasonal as far as hours go.

Yay, things we agree on!

And I can certainly see why you're bothered. As someone who was hired for seasonal work for every retail job I've ever had I think I can explain why. When we're hired in for seasonal work we're specifically required to sign a statement that agree's we are here FOR SEASONAL WORK ONLY and therefore are not eligible for the seasonal pay that year-round workers would get.

We're hired specifically to work the seasonal hours that would normally mean paying a year-round employee time and a half or holiday benefits. Or at least at both BN and Kohl's this was the case.
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The bold part is all I'm implying.

The majority of folks commenting, don't have the information to speak about it --- don't know the causes of things and resharing the stories, the reposts of retouched pictures is not helping.

Neither is all the publicity and the blow-by-blow of every riveting discovery--- wait, I feel like I've typed stuff like that this year...
At this point all I know is that an adult man was trying to kill the principal and some children have been killed along with several injured teachers. I am not interested in speculation, especially when the lives of children have been taken. I am not interested in seeing photographs online of their bodies or crying parents. All I am interested in is what happens now.

The only thing I can say with absolute certainty at this point is that my deepest condolences go out to the families of anyone injured or killed and my best wishes to those who are or will be hospitalized.
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Unread 12-14-2012, 03:10 PM   #4832
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It sorta sounded, to me at least, that you said the kids that were killed were not innocent. O_O I know that has to be wrong right?
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Unread 12-14-2012, 03:16 PM   #4833
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We don't make anything extra at Christmas time! We only get time and a half on Sundays and like 3 holidays (New Year's Day, 4th of July, and I think Labor Day.)

If I was working after 5 on Christmas Eve I'd get an a whole extra dollar an hour. (Seriously, we close at 9. A whole 4 dollars extra). I'm taking a coworkers shift on Christmas Eve so now I'll have 14 or 15 hours, but I don't know what time yet.
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Unread 12-14-2012, 03:18 PM   #4834
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We obviously don't have all the information but I'm not quite sure what you're implying here.


What really annoys me is the media frenzy that goes on after something this terrible happens. Reporters jamming microphones into children's faces right after they have gone through something so traumatic should be fired.
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I mean aren't we part of the problem? Almost everyone on Facebook I know is discussing it and it seems to be the same here.

I don't know any details and I will avoid them for as long as possible, there's nothing I can do and I don't want to think about something like that. My sympathies to anyone hurt.
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Unread 12-14-2012, 03:24 PM   #4835
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It sorta sounded, to me at least, that you said the kids that were killed were not innocent. O_O I know that has to be wrong right?
I can promise you that is not what he meant.

I believe what he was trying to say is that people assume children are all perfect and innocent by merit of them being children, so when they commit a crime it's this wave of people in denial that a child could do something bad.

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We don't make anything extra at Christmas time! We only get time and a half on Sundays and like 3 holidays (New Year's Day, 4th of July, and I think Labor Day.)

If I was working after 5 on Christmas Eve I'd get an a whole extra dollar an hour. (Seriously, we close at 9. A whole 4 dollars extra). I'm taking a coworkers shift on Christmas Eve so now I'll have 14 or 15 hours, but I don't know what time yet.
That's really odd :\ Like I said before all the places I worked at I was hired specifically to work seasonal so they don't have to pay year-round workers holiday pay. I am not sure what to say except I am sorry you got the bum hours!
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Unread 12-14-2012, 03:31 PM   #4836
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I can promise you that is not what he meant.

I believe what he was trying to say is that people assume children are all perfect and innocent by merit of them being children, so when they commit a crime it's this wave of people in denial that a child could do something bad.



That's really odd :\ Like I said before all the places I worked at I was hired specifically to work seasonal so they don't have to pay year-round workers holiday pay. I am not sure what to say except I am sorry you got the bum hours!

I'm pretty sure I never got paid holiday pay at the job where I pulled doubles both on Thanksgiving and Christmas in 2010...but I also didn't look at my pay stub to check so yeah...
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Unread 12-14-2012, 03:44 PM   #4837
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I can promise you that is not what he meant.

I believe what he was trying to say is that people assume children are all perfect and innocent by merit of them being children, so when they commit a crime it's this wave of people in denial that a child could do something bad.
Gotcha, sorry I was confused because the shooter in this case was reported to be in 20's so not a child.
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Unread 12-14-2012, 03:53 PM   #4838
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It sorta sounded, to me at least, that you said the kids that were killed were not innocent. O_O I know that has to be wrong right?
In your defense, it was worded extremely poorly, so you're not wrong that it was sounded a little off. But like LF said, I'm sure he didnt mean to imply that.

The entire situation is effed though. I feel like the ball was dropped on several levels, and that fixing gun policies wouldn't be enough. Mental health care needs to be overalled SEVERELY, and the media...can we just do away with it somehow. I'm DISGUSTED with some of the stuff CNN/FOX/ABC/CBS/NBC have been doing for coverage/ratings.

My prayers go out to the families and people of CT(( and Portland)), but as a country, we ALL need to do something about this aside from making an angry FB post. There a petitions to be signed, and congressppl/senators to annoy.
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Unread 12-14-2012, 04:26 PM   #4839
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I'm pretty sure I never got paid holiday pay at the job where I pulled doubles both on Thanksgiving and Christmas in 2010...but I also didn't look at my pay stub to check so yeah...
Once I was on as a 'regular' employee I got time and a half at BN for working typical Holiday hours. Like Easter and Thanksgiving.
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Very upset about the shooting, more upset about the fact people are being disrespectful and caring more about gun laws.
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Unread 12-14-2012, 06:17 PM   #4841
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I believe what he was trying to say is that people assume children are all perfect and innocent by merit of them being children, so when they commit a crime it's this wave of people in denial that a child could do something bad.
Within 2 hours, the internet went from no notice to an overload of pictures of people crying, messages about gun controls, innocents dying, "breaking news".

One of the most obnoxious messages I see spread from these is saying that all kids are innocent by virtue of their age.

Which is a lie.

Of course, this is hardly the time for this argument considering the current events --- I should have thought twice before posting that message in the short lapse of time I got back to the internet before going to the movies.

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Unread 12-14-2012, 07:08 PM   #4842
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Within 2 hours, the internet went from no notice to an overload of pictures of people crying, messages about gun controls, innocents dying, "breaking news".

One of the most obnoxious messages I see spread from these is saying that all kids are innocent by virtue of their age.

Which is a lie.

Of course, this is hardly the time for this argument considering the current events --- I should have thought twice before posting that message in the short lapse of time I got back to the internet before going to the movies.
Yeah, sure is time to get annoyed at the language people use when they're reporting a slaughter at a fucking elementary school.

This above comment aside, I'm staying away from talking about the shooting, because it hit way too close to home for me. I'm avoiding Facebook entirely.
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Unread 12-14-2012, 07:16 PM   #4843
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Yeah, sure is time to get annoyed at the language people use when they're reporting a slaughter at a fucking elementary school.
Yeah, this is again another event where I need to shut up in front of emotional outbursts.
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Unread 12-14-2012, 07:24 PM   #4844
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Yeah, this is again another event where I need to shut up in front of emotional outbursts.
It's not just you. I got annoyed at a news reporter for using the words "unthinkable" and "inhuman" while describing events, but then realized I was being a nitpicking twat.

EDIT: One last thought: the second worst thing about today? No one will care about it in two weeks' time at the most. Mark my words.
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EDIT: One last thought: the second worst thing about today? No one will care about it in two weeks' time at the most. Mark my words.
Never mind the fact that nobody cares if it's in a foreign country. A similar rampage happened in China today.
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