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Unread 05-20-2013, 03:58 PM   #1531
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Were you expecting it to be better? IMO they have lost too much... this is probably the 'new normal'.
When you are considered (to some people) to be in the same league as Otakon, Sakura Con, and Japan Expo in terms of reputation of course you are expecting better.
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Unread 05-20-2013, 06:03 PM   #1532
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Ive been following this thread for awhile and finally got the nerve to post in it. AX isnt really impressing me with guests this year, Im still hoping for a big name announcement though I doubt there will be one.
Also speaking of Japan Expo I was wondering if anyone here saw the rule for it where only Premium badge holders (only 200 people) will be able to go in-and-out of the convention freely and was wondering about the thoughts on this?
http://www.japan-expo.org/art-1326-e...formation.html
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Unread 05-20-2013, 06:09 PM   #1533
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When you are considered (to some people) to be in the same league as Otakon, Sakura Con, and Japan Expo in terms of reputation of course you are expecting better.
Reputation should precede, not define; a lot of people I know are not expecting much better. And honestly what we expect has little bearing on whether they can produce or not. In the end they either can or they cannot. That giant may have already died, perhaps we just don't know it yet. This might be the new standard we have to get used to, that we have to learn to live with, or just move on and forget about it.

This isn't all too unusual when you have something truly big, great, fearsome, etc. First it changes, but people don't realize it. They insist it's just as big as before, just as great as before, just like it always was and has been. And then eventually that moment comes when it becomes so glaringly obvious things are no longer what they once were; only then do people realize that the change happened not at that moment, but long ago.

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Also speaking of Japan Expo I was wondering if anyone here saw the rule for it where only Premium badge holders (only 200 people) will be able to go in-and-out of the convention freely and was wondering about the thoughts on this?
http://www.japan-expo.org/art-1326-e...formation.html
Not to get to sidetracked here, but here we go.

Yeah I just read about that on facebook earlier today. Word spreads pretty quickly.

I go to a number of events that are done in this way, such as the local city fair or a large ren faire that is also nearby. You buy a ticket online, print it out or send it to your phone, and as you enter the unique barcode on the ticket is scanned; and that barcode can only be used once (it's unique). Most of these events don't have badges at all, so that logistic is eliminated and administering it is far easier.

The thing is most of these events do have a hand stamp on the way out. If I want to leave, and come back, it's no big deal. In fact they want you to come back in because most of the money isn't made by the entry fee, it's made by all the things you can do around the fair. I can understand wanting to eliminate the badge logistic, I mean look at how Comic-Kaze was run (in the end, it was fine). But all the events that do that, they have some alternative way of permitting re-entry, a hand stamp, a wristband, or something like that.

I can understand them saying, well if you want re-entry, you have to buy a premium badge. If this is made obvious, most people will simply just buy a premium badge. $100. is expensive, but it's not horribly expensive.

But I _cannot_ understand why they would then limit the premium badges to 200 sold. (http://www.japan-expo.org/art-1326-e...formation.html) If they want to limit it to the point where only the first 200 premium badges have the special coupons or other benefits, I could understand that. But if they want to have only 200 people who are allowed re-entry privileges to the convention itself, then it seems like it will be a pretty sparse convention hall with everyone hanging around the outskirts rather than going inside.

I'm sure we'll hear more about this in the coming weeks and months, shrug.

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Unread 05-20-2013, 06:26 PM   #1534
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Ive been following this thread for awhile and finally got the nerve to post in it. AX isnt really impressing me with guests this year, Im still hoping for a big name announcement though I doubt there will be one.
Also speaking of Japan Expo I was wondering if anyone here saw the rule for it where only Premium badge holders (only 200 people) will be able to go in-and-out of the convention freely and was wondering about the thoughts on this?
http://www.japan-expo.org/art-1326-e...formation.html
They'll give you a bracelet for return entry if you have a general admission.
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Unread 05-20-2013, 06:44 PM   #1535
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They'll give you a bracelet for return entry if you have a general admission.
That's only for the Premium though from what I read? Unless I'm just missing something here?
If it really is one entry=one exit I don't think I'm going to go now. There's a bunch of negative feedback on it on their Facebook page so hopefully they'll think about changing it if it's true. I was really looking forward to going to it but I guess I'll be sticking to AX now.
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Unread 05-20-2013, 07:12 PM   #1536
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That's only for the Premium though from what I read? Unless I'm just missing something here?
If it really is one entry=one exit I don't think I'm going to go now. There's a bunch of negative feedback on it on their Facebook page so hopefully they'll think about changing it if it's true. I was really looking forward to going to it but I guess I'll be sticking to AX now.
Some of their English is a bit "wonky", and some of their statements on their site doesn't seem like it was written by a native English speaker. (I'm not surprised to see this, as being that most of their organizers are from France.) I also think they also may have not a full grasp or understanding of how the American system works at conventions in America, and are following more of an European model. (Some cons outside the U.S. are run very differently.)

It's quite possible the way that they wrote it in English is also causing a huge misunderstanding & confusion.

I am hoping that they don't really mean buying a 3 day pass or a 1 day pass would only entitle you to come into the con for only one time for the whole day. Or that you have to buy another pass, if you want to come back in a second time for the con on the same day. (This would mean that you have to pay 4-5 passes each day, or you can't leave the con for the entire day, because you can't come back in without buying another pass. This would put a HUGE damper on attendees planning to cosplay.)

No other cons do this in America, so it's either could a BIG misunderstanding with the way they wrote their English or they don't understand how this system simply doesn't work in America. (If it isn't a misunderstanding, their con wouldn't last long, if they don't follow the American model.)

While this model has been used in Europe, Americans do not like paying again & again just to get back in the same con on the same day. What may work in Europe, may not necessarily work in America. (The old saying of "When in Rome, do as as the Romans do" rings very true in this case.)

This is what one of the Japan Expo staffers replied so far in response to the angry comments:
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just wanted to clarify this point! While this policy is not the standard at all European events, this is the policy at all four Japan Expo events, including Belgium. We are keeping this show as close to possible to the European model as there is nothing quite like Japan Expo in the US. Thank you so much for your feedback and please keep watching our website. There are big announcements coming and more details to follow.

I would wait a few more days or a few weeks for Japan Expo to really further clarify their position about the pass entry clearer in English. They may decide to backtrack, and use an American model, or clarify that it was all a misunderstanding. (If they insist that they do really mean to follow through with the European model, they are going to see their attendance drop dramatically, and fail massively as a con.)

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Unread 05-20-2013, 07:26 PM   #1537
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Ahh okay! Thanks for the clarification
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Unread 05-20-2013, 07:51 PM   #1538
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While this model has been used in Europe, Americans do not like paying again & again just to get back in the same con on the same day. What may work in Europe, may not necessarily
They are much larger in Europe also (200,000+ people by the last count).

I don't know if it's a cultural difference as much as just, when you get really big, it stops being an issue (you have booths that sell food, and one can spend a whole day at the convention and not even see the whole thing).
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They are much larger in Europe also (200,000+ people by the last count).

I don't know if it's a cultural difference as much as just, when you get really big, it stops being an issue (you have booths that sell food, and one can spend a whole day at the convention and not even see the whole thing).

The funny part is that some people have mentioned that they don't use that one entry-one exit system either at their biggest event in France with 200,000 attendees. (Which is even bigger than the San Diego Comic Con.) They do however, use that system in Belgium, and on some of their other European events.

That system may work in Belgium, but not when you are just starting out....in America.

For the likes of me, I don't why they don't modify the ticketing system to the American standard. It could be a cultural misunderstanding, or they don't simply understand how cons works in America.




Update: Here's the latest posting from the Japan Expo Facebook site regarding the ticket policy.


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Update: We've heard your feedback and have relayed the messages directly to the convention organizers. We'll let you know their response ASAP

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You would think they did some research on how cons are operated in North America.
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Apparently, some of the staffers at the Anime Expo Facebook are already taking low blow potshots & jabs at Japan Expo.

It's pretty obvious that they are reading the thread here, otherwise they wouldn't have responded so fast within a single day.

Here's one of the excerpts from their postings:

https://www.facebook.com/animeexpo/p...51679945276461

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Buy a badge to Anime Expo 2013, unlimited in and out privileges to the event. Hungry at AX and leave to go to Little Tokyo, or dropping off something at your car / hotel? No worries, you don't have to buy another badge to enter the convention again

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Unread 05-21-2013, 02:33 AM   #1543
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Apparently, some of the staffers at the Anime Expo Facebook are already taking low blow potshots & jabs at Japan Expo.

It's pretty obvious that they are reading the thread here, otherwise they wouldn't have responded so fast within a single day.

Here's one of the excerpts from their postings:

https://www.facebook.com/animeexpo/p...51679945276461
Pffft, they deleted the post.
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Pffft, they deleted the post.
Wow...that was really quick. It was only up for a few hours.

I thought it was interesting that, they got quite a few angry responses from the fans.

One of the AX staffers also got very sarcastic & was talking down to the attendees in some of their responses.

I wonder what gave them the idea that it would be funny to take a potshot & a low jab at another con?

I guess...I shouldn't be surprised with this.
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Apparently, some of the staffers at the Anime Expo Facebook are already taking low blow potshots & jabs at Japan Expo.

It's pretty obvious that they are reading the thread here, otherwise they wouldn't have responded so fast within a single day.

Here's one of the excerpts from their postings:

https://www.facebook.com/animeexpo/p...51679945276461
Actually you really can't miss this one on facebook, it's been all over b'cos people have been quoting and tagging it. If someone like me (who doesn't use facebook anywhere near as much as most of its users do) can see it, I'm sure most of the local community has already seen or heard of it. Unless I just got lucky.

Yeah that seems like the type of thing they'd do, but the thing is, Japan Expo will probably turn around in a few days. Or if they don't, a lot of us will have a good laugh and then promptly forget about Japan Expo. Either way it's resolved in a few days. When AX has done things like this (like charging for shuttles, or scheduling AX during the same time as the X games) these things took weeks to undo or even get people to acknowledge it.

Note: For the record I think it took them 8 hours to identify the problem and roughly 24 hours to change it if you check here:

http://www.japan-expo.org/art-1128-e...formation.html

Well kinda, at least now all pre-sale tickets now give you a bracelet that allow you to return.
But I don't believe that on-site does.

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