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Unread 05-18-2012, 03:00 AM   #286
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Hmmm, from the second image I posted above it looks like the Big Air ramp has moved to Chick Hearn Ct. and unless I'm mistaken it looks like they have placed bleachers and standing areas on part of the LACC - Site 1 as Freight once named it long ago.

Even if they don't have bleachers on Site 1 I think that having Big Air there would kill Chick Hearn Ct. as an LACC evacuation route while the games were in progress.

Also I think this would probably mean that the junction of L.A. Live Way and Chick Hearn Ct. would become the ticketed entrance to the games rather than further along Chick Hearn Ct. like last year.

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So, the X Games are having the rally racing this year?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hew3G...e_gdata_player

Same spot like last year? D:
Yes, they will have rally racing this year. The parts of the course I've seen look similar to last year but they could have expanded it.
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Unread 05-18-2012, 03:04 AM   #287
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It looks like the X-Games will take over the area around and in front of the West Hall again. It may be that AX will only be able to use the West Hall in a limited capacity during the X-Games, e.g. the rooms upstairs and the hall at the back where registration occurred in 2008 plus the Concourse between the South and West Halls.

Looking at the maps, I'm just wondering how do the attendees & the vendors will get inside the West Hall? Will it have to be in the back where the loading zone is located?

It looks like the West Hall entrance area will be blocked off by the X-Games.


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They could still probably use the other parts of the West Hall for Masquerade rehearsals at any time and for the Masquerade itself after the X-Games ends on Sunday.
The X-Games will continue on Sunday as well, so both the Masquerade audience & contestants may have to find an alternative way to get inside the West Hall, since the some of the West Hall areas will be blocked off as well.

The X-Games will begin even before AX starts on Friday. The only day that it will "X-Games free" is when AX is wrapping up on Monday, and having their Closing Ceremonies.


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Even if they don't have bleachers on Site 1 I think that having Big Air there would kill Chick Hearn Ct. as an LACC evacuation route while the games were in progress.

Also I think this would probably mean that the junction of L.A. Live Way and Chick Hearn Ct. would become the ticketed entrance to the games rather than further along Chick Hearn Ct. like last year.

You know, it would be most helpful, if AX does tell the attendees & the vendors how to get inside the convention center, instead of letting them figure it out for themselves how to get around the blocked off areas. (Especially with several areas of the convention center being blocked off by the X-Games. )


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Yes, they will have rally racing this year. The parts of the course I've seen look similar to last year but they could have expanded it.
The South Hall entrance was partially blocked off by the Rally course last year. If they do expand it even further, I'm just wondering how the attendees & the vendors will get inside the South Hall.



If you pause the video at 0:44, you can see that the South Hall entrance has been partially blocked off. The area where the hotel shuttles are used for the drop off/pick up point area has been blocked off as well.

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Unread 05-18-2012, 03:29 AM   #288
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Yes, they will have rally racing this year. The parts of the course I've seen look similar to last year but they could have expanded it.
I found another video from last year X Games.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2qsJ...e_gdata_player

Darn, and they say it will be bigger this year.
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Unread 05-18-2012, 04:08 AM   #289
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Looking at the maps, I'm just wondering how do the attendees & the vendors will get inside the West Hall? Will it have to be in the back where the loading zone is located?

It looks like the West Hall entrance area will be blocked off by the X-Games.

The X-Games will continue on Sunday as well, so both the Masquerade audience & contestants may have to find an alternative way to get inside the West Hall, since the some of the West Hall areas will be blocked off as well.

The X-Games will begin even before AX starts on Friday. The only day that it will "X-Games free" is when AX is wrapping up on Monday, and having their Closing Ceremonies.
I was more concerned about the obstruction caused by the rally event to the front of the West Hall when I made that post and I think that many of the road closures end on Sunday night at 7pm indicating that they should be done by then.

However I hadn't realised that they were going to move Big Air onto the street in front of Site 1 (Chick Hearn Ct.). I had thought that it would be on the other side of the street but when I look at just how big Big Air is that's the only explanation that makes sense to me. Also the physical presence of bleachers, whether or not they are on Site 1 or in front of the steps of Site 1 (and I think they will be on Site 1), pretty much eliminates most of the West Hall from use.

I'm now thinking that only the South Hall, possibly the Concourse and the hall in the West Hall that we used for registration in 2008 will be available. All of these can be accessed from the rear or from the South Hall. Maybe we'll all be squashed into the South Hall and the Concourse.

Big Air:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr8-hBIaecw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNQY94syfyg

The first video starts with a quick flythrough of the X-Games area from last year.

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You know, it would be most helpful, if AX does tell the attendees & the vendors how to get inside the convention center, instead of letting them figure it out for themselves how to get around the blocked off areas. (Especially with several areas of the convention center being blocked off by the X-Games. )
Agreed!!!

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The South Hall entrance was partially blocked off by the Rally course last year. If they do expand it even further, I'm just wondering how the attendees & the vendors will get inside the South Hall.
West Pico Blvd.? The rear of the South Hall? The lower part of South Figueroa St.?

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If you pause the video at 0:44, you can see that the South Hall entrance has been partially blocked off. The area where the hotel shuttles are used for the drop off/pick up point area has been blocked off as well.
That video was giving me an error when I tried to play it.

I'm thinking that they could use West Pico Blvd. for shuttles since it will be closed to normal traffic for most of the event. However using the loading area to the rear of the South Hall may also be an option.

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Unread 05-18-2012, 05:23 AM   #290
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I was more concerned about the obstruction caused by the rally event to the front of the West Hall when I made that post and I think that many of the road closures end on Sunday night at 7pm indicating that they should be done by then
Last year, they left most of the obstructions on overnight during the Rally course. I'm not sure if they would do it differently this year, but we'll find out soon enough.

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I'm thinking that they could use West Pico Blvd. for shuttles since it will be closed to normal traffic for most of the event. However using the loading area to the rear of the South Hall may also be an option.
Depending on how much that they are going to expand the Rally course this year, a likely candidate would be the West Pico Blvd. area, but whatever alternative area that they pick, it won't be easy for the bus drivers.


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West Pico Blvd.? The rear of the South Hall? The lower part of South Figueroa St.?
It''ll probably be the West Pico Blvd. (Unless there's some changes that are being worked out.) Based on the current map, it would mean that the AX attendees & vendors would have to take the really long way just to get inside the convention center. From looking at the current map, they may not be able to access the front entrances of the West Hall.


So in short, not only has the X-Games taken the Nokia Theatre, the entire LA Live area, the Staples Center, most of the area around most of the convention center, they also won't make it easy for attendees & vendors to get inside the convention center for the first 3 days of AX. (Not including Day 0 of AX.)


I just feel sorry for the attendees & vendors who are unaware, and will be left unaware that the X-Games will be there, when they show up on the opening day of AX. (Many of them are going to get confused and very angry, when they find out for the 1st time.)


And yes, you can pretty much toss the parking spots at the convention center out the window, if you show up late in the morning, or in afternoon. There wasn't enough parking spots at the convention center, when the X-Games was there last year. (You can imagine the chaos that will ensue this year for the parking spots at the convention center.)

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Unread 05-18-2012, 05:56 AM   #291
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I just hope that the Westin shuttle route is ok. Perhaps maybe they will work out something where only the AX shuttles will be allowed into the X-Games area. Though I could be wrong.
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Unread 05-18-2012, 07:02 AM   #292
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It''ll probably be the West Pico Blvd. (Unless there's some changes that are being worked out.) Based on the current map, it would mean that the AX attendees & vendors would have to take the really long way just to get inside the convention center. From looking at the current map, they may not be able to access the front entrances of the West Hall.
I always assumed that those doors would be used as an emergency exit only except for on Day 4.

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So in short, not only has the X-Games taken the Nokia Theatre, the entire LA Live area, the Staples Center, most of the area around most of the convention center, they also won't make it easy for attendees & vendors to get inside the convention center for the first 3 days of AX. (Not including Day 0 of AX.)
Pretty much this. Except that the X-Games will be on on Day 0 too.

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And yes, you can pretty much toss the parking spots at the convention center out the window, if you show up late in the morning, or in afternoon. There wasn't enough parking spots at the convention center, when the X-Games was there last year. (You can imagine the chaos that will ensue this year for the parking spots at the convention center.)
I know a few people who live in LA and drive to AX. Parking is going to kill this event for them.

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I just hope that the Westin shuttle route is ok. Perhaps maybe they will work out something where only the AX shuttles will be allowed into the X-Games area. Though I could be wrong.
Don't worry, I'm sure they'll figure out a way to get that school bus from the Westin to the X-Games.
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Unread 05-18-2012, 01:22 PM   #293
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Pretty much this. Except that the X-Games will be on on Day 0 too.
Yes, X-Games will be there in full force for Day 0 as well, so pregistration is going to be really "fun". (I din't count Day 0, because AX hasn't officially started on that day.)

The pre-registration line was terrible last year. Throw the X-Games into it with over 141,000 people, and some blocked access points to the convention center, and it's going to be twice the "fun".

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I know a few people who live in LA and drive to AX. Parking is going to kill this event for them.
One possible option is for them to get a hotel room, (Yah, I know it will be expensive) otherwise, it's going to be a serious fight for parking on Day 0, 1, 2, 3, and until Day 4. I can see some LA locals, getting angry, (After circling around for a long time & being unable to find parking) and saying, "Forget this", and go back home.


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Don't worry, I'm sure they'll figure out a way to get that school bus from the Westin to the X-Games.
LOL! That's the best line that I've heard today!

Heck..Maybe they'll bring helicopters instead, and all the AX attendees & vendors will have to rappel down, (Commando style) to the convention center. (But that's only for people who aren't staying in the J.W. Marriott & the Luxe.) For the Hotel Figueroa guests, maybe the combative owner, Uno may put them in a giant catapult, and hurl them screaming into a giant safety net that's placed on top of the convention center. (Sorry-Been watching too many Monty Python stuff.)


Easy access to an anime or a sci-fi convention is always essential for a successful convention. When the main access points are blocked off, or access becomes difficult for the customers to get inside a convention center, the con stands to lose several customers. (With AX's 1.2 million loss in 2010, they can't afford to lose any more customers. Another loss like in 2010, and AX may cease to exist.)

There's 2 words that the military would say, when things are really screwed up.

1. "SNAFU"-Situation Normal. All F**** Up.

2. "FUBAR"-F***** Up Beyond All Recognition.

Right now, I don't know if it's going to become No.1 or No. 2, after looking at the X-Games maps.

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Unread 05-18-2012, 03:15 PM   #294
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DéjàHi everyone, I've been following the X-Games issues in the Club Nokia thread and now this thread. After the way attendee concerns were handled in recent years I can't say that I'm surprised at the way this has been handled but I am disappointed.
I don't like this kind of thinking about waiting for ESPN to announce it officially. It seems AX hasn't even come in contact with ESPN concerning this and I'm sure this will bite them in the end.
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Unread 05-18-2012, 03:28 PM   #295
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I believe that AX-Live is saying they will tell us next week in order to stall telling people about it as well as to boost the ratings, and by ratings mean number of viewers since they make no money from it, of their show. Because I doubt we will hear anything from them anytime soon I checked out the X-Games web site, they have a basic schedule up.

They have the RallyCross scheduled for Sunday, July 1, 2012 starting at noon in Lindsey Plaza, in front of the West Hall where AX buses normally stop. This is bad however when clicking on invited athletes you see that none are scheduled to attend. (There was one listed a few weeks ago.)

While I will not pretend to know everything about it, they may list the racers last minute or something, I hope that it means the racers could not make it or that they canceled the race for the year for lack of entries... Only time will tell the truth but until then I'll hope my assumption is correct.


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http://espn.go.com/action/xgames/sto...vited-athletes
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This lack of information on exactly how AX is going to work around the madness of the X Games is a big reason why I'm looking forward to Fanime more this year. Seriously, AX...the longer you wait, the more likely the convention will be FUBAR

Don't get me wrong, I'm still looking forward to AX...but as of right now, I'm prepared for the worst
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Unread 05-18-2012, 06:57 PM   #297
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I'm sure AX has some plan in place. I hope so. I just hate waiting that's all. LOL that was funny what you said about Uno and going in commando style.

However there's alot of people staying at the Westin as well as the other hotels not just the JW or Luxe.

I just need reassurance that's all.

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Hmmm, I find this whole thing with the X-games disturbing. The entire AX layout may be real compact with what Im reading here. I expect Kajiura's concert will be greatly diminished by the lack of a concert venue (remember the Morning Musume concert?). I hope cosplayers and their gathers dont get screwed too much.

One of my biggest concerns is how the hell am I going to park and check into my hotel! Im staying at the Luxe City Center and it looks like Figueroa will be closed from 7am - 7pm.
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Well couldn't they sound proof and tune the hall for the concerts?

I remember i saw Moi dix Mois back in 09 it didn't sound bad to me then again i was close to the stage.

But as far as the X games go I and everyone here just hopes that they have some plan in place.

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Well couldn't they sound proof and tune the hall for the concerts?

I remember i saw Moi dix Mois back in 09 it didn't sound bad to me then again i was close to the stage.

But as far as the X games go I and everyone here just hopes that they have some plan in place.
Seating in the hall will be terrible. Acoustics will be terrible. Visibility will be terrible. At the Morning Musume they just blasted the speakers hoping everyone could hear the music. Theres no way AX can (I dont even know how you begin to do this) soundproof and tune a hall.
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