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Unread 02-20-2013, 11:15 PM   #16
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Belligerent pls marry me.

It would be kind of awkward if I didn't at least semi-like yaoi seeing as I like men. And I'm a man. So. That would be a bit.. wut.
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Unread 02-20-2013, 11:16 PM   #17
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I know plenty of gay guys who hate yaoi, mostly because quite a few fangirls have treated them like yaoi character not real people
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Unread 02-20-2013, 11:18 PM   #18
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I know plenty of gay guys who hate yaoi, mostly because quite a few fangirls have treated them like yaoi character not real people
But hating yaoi fangirls=/=hating yaoi.

Trust me, I hate most yaoi fangirls. Just because I'm gay does not mean I will cosplay all your yaoi fantasies. But the fanbase doesn't make me hate the material itself, y'know?
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Unread 02-20-2013, 11:19 PM   #19
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I know some gay men don't like it because a bit of it doesn't realistically portray gay relationships.
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Unread 02-20-2013, 11:21 PM   #20
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SORRY I'm spoken for. Also I'm only a man on con weekends, so I don't know how well it'd work out. It's not you, it's me.

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I know some gay men don't like it because a bit of it doesn't realistically portray gay relationships.
This is why we have bara.
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Unread 02-20-2013, 11:22 PM   #21
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SORRY I'm spoken for. Also I'm only a man on con weekends, so I don't know how well it'd work out. It's not you, it's me.
Did you hear that?
That was the sound of me getting shot down in a flaming wreck.
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Unread 02-20-2013, 11:26 PM   #22
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That was the sound of me getting shot down in a flaming wreck.
LOL sorry. But see, you just got rejected by a crossdresser.

Who says yaoi isn't like real life relationships?
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Unread 02-20-2013, 11:30 PM   #23
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HardcoreNamine's friends, apparently.

Namine, you can tell your friends what just happened here. Then tell them to STUFF IT. D:<

Ok don't tell them that but
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Unread 02-20-2013, 11:33 PM   #24
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I was wondering if there was anyone else who wasnt a Yaoi/Yuri fan? Im pretty sure Im not the only one, but I was just wondering.
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But hating yaoi fangirls=/=hating yaoi.

Trust me, I hate most yaoi fangirls. Just because I'm gay does not mean I will cosplay all your yaoi fantasies. But the fanbase doesn't make me hate the material itself, y'know?
Never said it was you....

And often by extension a lot of my gay guy friends hate yaoi as well.

And yaoi like ALL dramatic love stories, is often way over dramatized. Much like most anime and drama shows.
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Unread 02-21-2013, 12:28 PM   #26
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Never said it was you....

And often by extension a lot of my gay guy friends hate yaoi as well.
I know that. I was using myself as an example. I'm perfectly capable of reading. ;p


Do you know their reasoning at all? Or is it just "I hate yaoi end"?
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Unread 02-21-2013, 12:31 PM   #27
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I know that. I was using myself as an example. I'm perfectly capable of reading. ;p


Do you know their reasoning at all? Or is it just "I hate yaoi end"?
Because often yaoi tends to be a poor representation of gay couples and its completely formulatic and often misrepresents the gay community and some times occasionally hurts it. With the fangirls enforcing these ideals on top of it and not listening to them it can get wearisome. They're people, not characters from your animes. I actually have heard of people wanting gay kids so they can "ship them: and I was like ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME

And I knew another bitch who was like "i will pretty much force my sons to be gay" she wasn't a yaoi fan but she was this crazy bitch who loved gays to a very fucked up point, none of us liked her.
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Unread 02-21-2013, 01:32 PM   #28
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Because often yaoi tends to be a poor representation of gay couples and its completely formulatic and often misrepresents the gay community and some times occasionally hurts it. With the fangirls enforcing these ideals on top of it and not listening to them it can get wearisome. They're people, not characters from your animes. I actually have heard of people wanting gay kids so they can "ship them: and I was like ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME

And I knew another bitch who was like "i will pretty much force my sons to be gay" she wasn't a yaoi fan but she was this crazy bitch who loved gays to a very fucked up point, none of us liked her.
Is that not true for yuri and just heterosexual writings in general? I don't know about you, but most romance writings don't accurately represent anything and are always formulaic. Twilight, anyone?

I've read a few yaoi manga's and such that actually ended up hurting the community, yeah. Generally that's just a horrible writer., but the damage was done.


I'd like to make a very clear distinction between the fans of something and the material itself. They are different. Just because the fans of something are insane doesn't mean the material itself is bad. Yaoi fangirls are, on average, insane. But the fans=/=the material itself. Although they do try to enforce the idealistic view onto people. xP

Everything has it's extremes. Those people you pointed out are /very much/ the extreme end. xD
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Unread 02-21-2013, 04:02 PM   #29
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Is that not true for yuri and just heterosexual writings in general? I don't know about you, but most romance writings don't accurately represent anything and are always formulaic. Twilight, anyone?

I've read a few yaoi manga's and such that actually ended up hurting the community, yeah. Generally that's just a horrible writer., but the damage was done.


I'd like to make a very clear distinction between the fans of something and the material itself. They are different. Just because the fans of something are insane doesn't mean the material itself is bad. Yaoi fangirls are, on average, insane. But the fans=/=the material itself. Although they do try to enforce the idealistic view onto people. xP

Everything has it's extremes. Those people you pointed out are /very much/ the extreme end. xD
To be fair, the lbgtq community is far more misrepresented than heterosexual people. It is often assumed that they fit stereotypes like a gay guy must LOVE shopping because ya know... he's gay.

And maybe the fans are different from the source material but someone is WRITING that source material and misrepresenting the people they are placing the ideas in to peoples heads. I have had people ask my gay friends if they were "seme or uke" which I find pretty out of line. I have plenty of friends who like yaoi and it's fine, I don't care as long as hey don't start assuming all gay or lesbian or trans people behave the way the yaoi or yuri protrays.

So in a way YES yaoi can be damaging to the representation of them just like fifty shades of gray was damaging to the bdsm community.
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Belligerent pls marry me.

It would be kind of awkward if I didn't at least semi-like yaoi seeing as I like men. And I'm a man. So. That would be a bit.. wut.
By that logic, I must semi-like strip clubs because I'm straight. Which I do not.
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