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Unread 03-30-2013, 07:54 AM   #16
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I agree with RydiaValentine (I think cosplay is getting put in as a key word just to make more money since we seem to be a fan base that spends a lot)

IMHO If you are gonna sell skin at least own up to it and don't call it by the name of a hobby that its verb form specifically means TO BE DRESSED UP AS (i.e."I'm gonna cosplay Ash")... not undressed, jeez people.
(some offenders worse than others; a wig and a grainy webcamshot of a butt in a thong is hardly cosplay and barely photography)

Someone referred to it as the 'fetish side of cosplay' and well... yeah, i don't support that being brought forward as the mainstream image of cosplay.

OP. You go girl. I applaud your standards and values.
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Unread 03-30-2013, 09:04 AM   #17
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The whole thing is actually just about using wrong terms. He wants to take the word Cosplay and remove the "play" part, which is then replaced by "porn"- so it's "cosporn", not "cosplay". And that's the difference.

There's nothing wrong with wearing revealing cosplays, as long as it's actually about portraying the character and not about appealing to someones fetishes *shrug*

People who don't cosplay tend to forget what the word's actual meaning is.
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Unread 03-30-2013, 11:24 AM   #18
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The whole thing is actually just about using wrong terms. He wants to take the word Cosplay and remove the "play" part, which is then replaced by "porn"- so it's "cosporn", not "cosplay". And that's the difference.

There's nothing wrong with wearing revealing cosplays, as long as it's actually about portraying the character and not about appealing to someones fetishes *shrug*

People who don't cosplay tend to forget what the word's actual meaning is.
I your grasp of language.
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Unread 03-31-2013, 08:26 AM   #19
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I think some of your folks might need to go and watch the Japanese versions of allot of popular anime. The original Sailor Moon,Gurren Lagua,Star Blazers,One Piece all come to mine.

Also as far as fetish well since most anime stuff have some sort of an underlining fetish in them and have since the early 70's. Also everyone seems to be forgetting Hentia which is Anime/Manga Porn and if anyone has every been to any Conventions in Japan you would see allot of Hentia Cosplayers.

May I suggest some folks look up the following folks, Asa-Akira, Kianna Doir, Evelyn Lin, Sairo Hara, Maria Ozawa, all of these folks are Pro Cosplayers and Adult Video Stars I have scene most of them at SDCC and a few Conventions in Japan.

I think you guys need to re-look at what Manga/Anime is in Japan most Manga have some sort of fetish/skimpy style female characters in them.
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Unread 03-31-2013, 08:54 AM   #20
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I think some of your folks might need to go and watch the Japanese versions of allot of popular anime. The original Sailor Moon,Gurren Lagua,Star Blazers,One Piece all come to mine.

Also as far as fetish well since most anime stuff have some sort of an underlining fetish in them and have since the early 70's. Also everyone seems to be forgetting Hentia which is Anime/Manga Porn and if anyone has every been to any Conventions in Japan you would see allot of Hentia Cosplayers.

May I suggest some folks look up the following folks, Asa-Akira, Kianna Doir, Evelyn Lin, Sairo Hara, Maria Ozawa, all of these folks are Pro Cosplayers and Adult Video Stars I have scene most of them at SDCC and a few Conventions in Japan.

I think you guys need to re-look at what Manga/Anime is in Japan most Manga have some sort of fetish/skimpy style female characters in them.
You've not gotten the points people are making at all.

This isn't an argument/debate/whatever about cosplayers in skimpy cosplays. It's not about the fetish-esque costumes. The problem is sexualising/fetishing cosplayers, the people in the cosplay.

People are worried if magazines take a photo of a stripper who's in a Rikku costume (or part of one) with some sexualised caption, and then labeling it as "cosplay". Then, someone who sees that with go "Oh, cosplay is a sex thing". Cosplayers will then be exactly the same as "Furries".

Personally, I have a bit of an issue with the labelling of it. I don't like the idea of people (or men) seeing a girl in cosplay and think "oh, she's fair game" or "She wants the D" or whatever. Women will see it as "oh, they're just pathetic sl*ts".

However, whilst there are magazines that have and will post barely covered females and file them under the same thing as something else, it is still a completely different hobby (i
f that can be counted as a hobby - more of a profession, really). Yes, there will be sexualised images of people with the tag "cosplay", but there is also media coverage about what it really is - in the UK, the BBC does a fair amount of coverage about London Expo, an Exposition which attracts over 40,000 people, a fair amount of them cosplayers. There are blogs and websites devoted to actual cosplay, and it's quite easy to see it's not some sex filled fetish.

There will always be a dark side to something like this. It's got grown women in bras and short shorts, for crying out loud, and others dressed as school girls. People have been cashing in on that for years.
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Unread 03-31-2013, 01:32 PM   #21
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Pixie brings up a good point. Cosplay doesn't want to have to deal with the negative rap that Furries already have.

One mainstream media picks up the idea that cosplay = crazy sex fetish...no amount of good press with stop your neighhours from looking at you sideways every time con season comes around.
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Unread 03-31-2013, 02:07 PM   #22
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This is how I feel about CosplayDeviants.
No offense to those who like it or if you're reading this and are part of it.

But I freaking hate seeing cosplay exploited like that, I may be exaggerating but if it continues this may become the norm that most forever alone guys "expect" and trust me when I say this, I've seen guys, and heard of them, only going to cons so they can score with a "hot cosplay chick". It's disgusting and seems to have already become a person's normal expectation of cosplay. It disturbs me greatly.

P.S. I am not saying anyone on cosplay deviants are bad people or do anything bad at all. I respect your decisions and feel no hate towards any of you, c'B You are free to do as you please with your cosplays! So please do not feel threatened by what I'm saying here ^w^
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Unread 03-31-2013, 05:39 PM   #23
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May I all suggest you all save up and go to any of the very large Conventions in Japan you will be in for a major eye opener then.

Oh and for all of you folks stating it just women far from it does Sekia-ichi Hatsukoi, Saint Seiya, Maiden Rose, what do these three have in comman they all are Male Based Manga that have allot of cosplayers in Japan and Europe oh and they tend to be dresed in skimpy cloths and some of them are Pro Male Cosplayers also.

Anyway getting back to what the OP posted yes the Photographer she is talking about is an idiot but to think that folks dressed in cetain cosplay style are giving the whole movement a bad name is completely wrong.

As I have already stated the Japanese version on many of the popular anime/magna are full of sexual images if you have never seen the original Sailor Moon I suggest you go and find it mind you it will set you back around $300 dollars.

Oh and I have been to a quite a few London Expo a few years back Asa-Akira was a guest and even had a panel on the very subject.

Oh and for the record cosplay Deviant also has male models I should know I just got done doing a set for a guy who cosplayed as Terra from Kingdom of Hearts.

Oh and since we are all on this kick about Cosplayer bad rep why don't all of you folks get up in arms over Panty and Stocking then.
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Unread 03-31-2013, 05:44 PM   #24
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Wow, again completely missing the point, huh?

No ones getting worked up about fanservicey shows or accurate cosplay thereof, no one.
And btw Sekaiichi Hatsukoi and Maiden Rose actually have modestly dresses characters.
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Unread 03-31-2013, 06:44 PM   #25
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Wow, again completely missing the point, huh?

No ones getting worked up about fanservicey shows or accurate cosplay thereof, no one.
And btw Sekaiichi Hatsukoi and Maiden Rose actually have modestly dresses characters.
And your missing my point the OP stated she decide not to do any more photo's with the Tog because he ask her to basically do a strip show great she told him no but to state it is giving Cosplayers a bad name is far from the truth I've already cited a few anime that if you watch the original Japanese Version are full of said topic. Also like I stated cosplayers in Japan and here in North America are very different.

Oh and for the record 98% of the Anime that has been imported from Japan has been Westernized so it could play on Sat Mornings Cartoon and on Cartoon Network.

So this whole idea that folks dressed up in skimpy cosplay cloths and being taged giving cosplayers a bad name is a joke and trust e I've been going to Conventions since 1976 and shooting Cosplay Photos since the early 80s.

Oh and the Japanese version of Rose and Hatsukoi have quite allot of interesting clothing as I have stated their are two version of most anime The Western and Japanese.
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Unread 03-31-2013, 07:00 PM   #26
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And as other people have stated, the problem lies not with original artworks being skimpy or fetishy or whatnot, but with labeling pretty much strippers or porn actors in some kind of costume as cosplayers when there's so much more to the entire scene.

Oh and for the record, I don't live in the US, don't have Cartoon Network and have never watched Sat Morning Cartoons.
I, and I think probably a sizeable amount of people here, just watch streamed stuff with fansubs or read unofficial translations before there are any official ones and then maybe switch to those.
So really, all those localization changes soooo much arguments have nothing to do with the matter at all.

Aaaand again, no one's saying anything about folks dressed in skimpy clothes, it's more about what they choose to do then.

Seriously? Maiden Rose has everyone dressed in military uniforms and the characters in Sekaiichi just wear casual or work apropriate clothing, since it centers around manga publishers.

All you've done is demonstrate that age and travelling doesn't make one immune to this:
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I have to agree Scorpion89, you're missing the point others are trying to make here.

Perhaps it is the term "bad rap" that is confusing the issue. I took it to mean "stigma" -- like how Furries are misunderstood by the general public because of how the media portrayed their subculture. I really could see that happening to cosplay if the majourity of the world saw it was a fetish hobby.

I think this fear is valid. I don't want to have to explain myself every time I go to a convention. "no, it isn't a sex thing" to every tom, dick or harry who raises an eyebrow.

Whether the actual "character" is in a sexualized outfit is beside the point. I don't want anyone seeing me in an outfit and thinking automatically "sex" or that I'm doing anything perverted. I'm just a girl in a costume that is revealing.
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I took it to mean "stigma" -- like how Furries are misunderstood by the general public because of how the media portrayed their subculture. I really could see that happening to cosplay if the majourity of the world saw it was a fetish hobby.
This. I've known a lot of furries over the years who still have to deal with the aftermath of a Vanity Faire article and CSI defining their hobby as a fetish only. There are a lot of furries who aren't in it for the sex...but there have also been a lot of creepos who got directed to it because they were told it was about sex. Not only did the very visible "sex" aspect put into the public damage the fandom's reputation, but it also ushered in a wave of people who ironically made the fandom closer to what had been exaggeratedly reported. Vicious cycle and all that.
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This. I've known a lot of furries over the years who still have to deal with the aftermath of a Vanity Faire article and CSI defining their hobby as a fetish only. There are a lot of furries who aren't in it for the sex...but there have also been a lot of creepos who got directed to it because they were told it was about sex. Not only did the very visible "sex" aspect put into the public damage the fandom's reputation, but it also ushered in a wave of people who ironically made the fandom closer to what had been exaggeratedly reported. Vicious cycle and all that.
And if this kind of publicity hits cosplay, which it already seems to have begun doing the past few years, it will damage cosplay more than it already is. It could potentially make people stop entirely.
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May I all suggest you all save up and go to any of the very large Conventions in Japan you will be in for a major eye opener then.

Oh and for all of you folks stating it just women far from it does Sekia-ichi Hatsukoi, Saint Seiya, Maiden Rose, what do these three have in comman they all are Male Based Manga that have allot of cosplayers in Japan and Europe oh and they tend to be dresed in skimpy cloths and some of them are Pro Male Cosplayers also.

Anyway getting back to what the OP posted yes the Photographer she is talking about is an idiot but to think that folks dressed in cetain cosplay style are giving the whole movement a bad name is completely wrong.

As I have already stated the Japanese version on many of the popular anime/magna are full of sexual images if you have never seen the original Sailor Moon I suggest you go and find it mind you it will set you back around $300 dollars.

Oh and I have been to a quite a few London Expo a few years back Asa-Akira was a guest and even had a panel on the very subject.

Oh and for the record cosplay Deviant also has male models I should know I just got done doing a set for a guy who cosplayed as Terra from Kingdom of Hearts.

Oh and since we are all on this kick about Cosplayer bad rep why don't all of you folks get up in arms over Panty and Stocking then.
You don't seem to listen to anything anyone says. As stated multiple times.. and directly to you, this thread has NOTHING to do with cosplayers that want to dress skimpy.. It has to do with pornstars/strippers being put in costumes from anime, that they have no knowledge of, and labeling it "cosplay"..
We all know anime is very sexualized.. And yes we know about hentai.. No need to mention that a million times.
Personal, I don't like porn and overly sexualized outfits. I think it is trashy. But honestly, I think this whole debate would be on a personal standpoint.
I personally agree with the OP. I would not want to be involved in anything that would give cosplay a similar definition as furries or nurse outfits.
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