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Unread 03-25-2013, 12:44 PM   #1
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Giving Cosplay a bad name?

I'd like many opinions on this.

As of a few days ago, I quit modeling for a client who was aiming to create a magazine with more pornographic cosplay images in it, and wanted to hire strippers of all people, to model for him and model in cosplays that are more revealing. Now, one, this guy's whole ordeal is a joke, and two, cosplay already has a bad name when it comes to 'oh, so...you dress up before halloween and ..?'

Now, I'm not saying that strippers can't cosplay, but this guy wants to take, basically costumes, make it 'mainstream' and show people that cosplay is nothing but badly made costumes ripped off of real costumes and make it so the more conservative people would look at people who cosplay and be very disgusted, because they'd think we were dressing naked like Playboy bunnies.

I'm not saying more revealing costumes are bad, because I personally have three, and cosplay with catsuits and things, but this guy's deal is ridiculous and I seriously wish he wouldn't give cosplay a bad name like this.

What do you think about this?
Also, I believe Cosplay is about connecting with a character that you really like, and making costumes yourself, with a LOT of time and money spent on it, or buying them with the same result as, you love and have a passion for the character, the series, or cosplay, and I just don't believe that cosplay is about throwing a costume at someone and telling them it's 'cosplay' and to make a skin magazine out of it.
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Unread 03-27-2013, 02:54 PM   #2
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I feel the same exact way. I have cousin that cosplays too, but she tends to do slutty costumes. That's not bad, but when my Mom made a comment about it she (my cousin) said, "Well that's the point, right?"
That really pissed me off. I feel the same exact way that you do. Cosplay is about showing how much you love the character.
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Unread 03-27-2013, 04:37 PM   #3
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It sounds like this guy is nothing more than a troll, and I don't blame you for quitting on him. There's nothing wrong with the fetish side of cosplay (if you are of legal age and that is what you are into), but I'd be pretty ticked in this situation.

I don't necessarily feel that cosplay is about showing how much you love a character, but I do agree that we put a lot of time and effort into these costumes, and we take a lot of pride in cosplay. It's frustrating when someone tries to cheapen it, especially for a stupid joke or a quick buck.
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Unread 03-27-2013, 05:06 PM   #4
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That's not cosplay.

That's pornography.

A porn star dressing up as Betty Rubble isn't mistaken for a serious costumer or someone who's a big fan of the Flintstones.
No one is going to think a porn star dressed as Samus Aran is a serious costumer or a big Metroid fan.

It's just a sex kink and I believe only a few slightly unstable folks would look any deeper into it.

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Unread 03-27-2013, 05:11 PM   #5
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Cosplay is a term you attach different values to --- I feel it's very similar to "nerd" having different definitions based on everyone's interpretation.

Sadly, your magazine stories connect with a lot of things you see on the internet about cosplay --- "sexy cosplay" ranked articles the kind you see trickling down places like Kotaku, proeminent photographers waltzing about with tag lines like "I take pictures of pretty girls so you don't have to!", modelling careers being put forward through the medium.

Thankfully, that's only a part of what cosplay can be about --- one we can avoid!
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Unread 03-27-2013, 05:26 PM   #6
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I personally think this isn' cosplay.

It is on the same level as closet cosplay and Halloween costumes.

It sounds like to me, he is hiring people that will have no idea what they are dressing as? This isn't necessarily bad, but I think that fact alone cuts it out of the category of being cosplay.

Don't even look too much into it. People will appreciate the nicely made costumes more than the cheaply made slutty ones.

Imo, it is like most hentai. No story>bad costumes .. But pointless fanservice.
One of the reasons why I don't consider hentai anime.

But it does depend on everyones point of view.
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Unread 03-27-2013, 07:41 PM   #7
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...Are they at least good costumes? Because this magazine sounds like the printed form of Extreme Booth Babe.
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Unread 03-28-2013, 07:27 PM   #8
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Yea seems to me that this guys is looking for a venue to see some titties, it isnt really giving cosplay a bad name cause most people who look at the publication are gonna see titties. If they are wearing these costumes for the purpose of being provocative they arent really doing other aspects of cosplay
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Unread 03-28-2013, 08:10 PM   #9
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I guess I have to start chuckling on this one I guess allot of you have never heard of Cosplay Deviant then.

http://www.cosplaydeviants.com/

I do allot of photo shoots for folks that model for this website and folks these guys and girls are very serious cosplayers. ( I shoot 12 Pro Cosplayer fo this website)

Oh and if we are all going to get all up and righteous about what folks are wearing then I suggest that you folks start complaining about all those skimpy Yoko Costumes/Sailor Mon Costumes. I always find it rather hypocritical of cosplayer who cosplay certain costume get all bent out of shape over certain styles of photos.

I understand that the OP doesn't want to do that type of photos but to say it gives Cosplayer a bad name well I can tell you from my 35 years of cosplay photography it's part of the game.
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Unread 03-28-2013, 10:54 PM   #10
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I guess I have to start chuckling on this one I guess allot of you have never heard of Cosplay Deviant then.

http://www.cosplaydeviants.com/

I do allot of photo shoots for folks that model for this website and folks these guys and girls are very serious cosplayers. ( I shoot 12 Pro Cosplayer fo this website)

Oh and if we are all going to get all up and righteous about what folks are wearing then I suggest that you folks start complaining about all those skimpy Yoko Costumes/Sailor Mon Costumes. I always find it rather hypocritical of cosplayer who cosplay certain costume get all bent out of shape over certain styles of photos.

I understand that the OP doesn't want to do that type of photos but to say it gives Cosplayer a bad name well I can tell you from my 35 years of cosplay photography it's part of the game.
I think the site you posted is perfectly fine in my opinion. But there's a difference between photographing "serious cosplayers" and hiring strippers to wear (or practically not wear) skimpy costumes and labeling it as cosplay.

If the photographer in question wants to take pornographic photos of models/strippers in costumes, fine, whatever. But it would be inaccurate and just wrong to try and say that "this is what cosplay is about," because that's not true.
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Unread 03-29-2013, 12:58 AM   #11
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We can break down cosplays definition, but one of the main points is that hard working cosplayer don't want to be grouped with people who are wearing costumes for pornographic use. It's just like Nursers, cheerleaders, or what ever profession and hobby that is portray in pornographic ways, they don't want to fall into a pornographic category.

I kind of believe in Scorpion89 Idea about Skimpy cosplayers, but I do think that pornographic costume wearer do more damage to cosplays rep., It also open doors to other things that are not good for people who are not good dealing with other people.

On my believe with skimpy cosplays: I don't think that all cosplayers use thous character to show off there body, I think that some of them are true fans of their character. let me put it this way. when a person goes to a water park, they go for the rides and the pools, they don't go to just show off their swim suit. also the other part this the attitude of some of the cosplayers, Like hikaru2322 said, her cousin thinks that cosplay is only for showing of her body. That is the type of mind set that cosplayers try to step away from.
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Unread 03-29-2013, 10:41 AM   #12
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Yeah, there's a difference between a fan cosplaying a character with a sexy costume, and a stripper wearing a tarted-up version of a costume that perhaps wasn't meant to be sexy in the first place.

I remember watching something on TV, where an actual Nurse was speaking out against the sexualized depictions of her profession. She felt that such things damaged the reputation of the profession, because of how pervasive it was, and the unfortunate associations it created in people's minds. In her words "It makes people think Nurse= brainless slut"

So I can understand why the OP ditched that project- she doesn't want to contribute to the ignorance of folks who might see that and mistakenly believe that all cosplayers are like that, or possibly have a hand in creating something that others might use as ammo to try and discredit us- "Look at those cosplayers, they're just wannabe sex workers!" or the like.

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Unread 03-29-2013, 04:04 PM   #13
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Thank you all for your interesting inputs, they're very interesting to read
Also, I have nothing against people who want to show their bodies, but I don't want to be, well, I suppose I'd rather not be generalized as the things stated above. I suppose there will be two different kinds of cosplays.
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Unread 03-30-2013, 06:10 AM   #14
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I don't think there's anything shameful or wrong about being an adult model, porn star, or sex worker. As a human being, I'm already lumped in with other humans who do that for a living. As a student, I belong to a group of people - some of whom do such work to pay for their tuition.

No one should be pressured to do that kind of work - and if he was trying to you have every right to say that you don't want to do that.

I also don't think that doing sexy costumes is wrong. Even further, I don't think it's wrong if someone thinks that's "the point". Maybe they don't feel comfortable dressing that way in "real life" or they get shamed for it and use cosplay to express that.

To be honest, the comment about the nurse makes me feel that while she is completely justified, it's part of a bigger issue and taking away just that kind of costume won't change anything. The problem is how we view women and sexuality in general - the idea that being sexy or sexual is shameful, that wearing revealing clothing is demeaning and makes her less of a complete person. The "sexy nurse" is an inhuman caricature that's resulted from a long time of our culture not being okay with female sexuality and wanting to control it. "Real" women are told not to act or dress like that so we create this "fantasy" woman who can. Until we can come to terms with the idea that "real" women can be sexy and still be whole, non-shameful, human beings we're stuck like this and it's unhealthy for everyone.

Ever noticed that even in non-adult media female villains tend to wear more revealing clothing ? Modest is "good", sexy is "evil". Sure, there are counter-examples but this is a general constant. Making such a basic part of human life "evil" for women especially is the problem.

It sounds like this guy is just perpetuating a mass-media pornography image not doing anything truly revolutionary, but, you know. It would be really cool to see cosplayers expressing themselves in ways of their choosing instead of models selected to be "sexy" popped into costumes to which they have no connection.

Poor quality costumes are poor quality costumes - if that's what he wants I don't think the average person is going to see it any differently than all the adult costumes of nurses, firefighters, et cetera. If he's advertising that "this is what cosplay is and only what cosplay is", sure that's incorrect. I think the idea that it will make people think cosplayers are all sex "deviants" is wrong, any more than people looking at punk kids and saying all teenagers are rebellious hair-spikers - while some might believe that, they're clearly wrong.

I'm helping someone who is in the adult industry make a costume and it's not "adult" at all and it's not work-related in any way.
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Unread 03-30-2013, 06:38 AM   #15
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That guy is just pushing it in order to bring attention to him for labeling traditional "costume porn" with the increasingly trendy "cosplay hobby" words. What a way to fuck something up for money.
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